Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[S5Dewey]

JBj will win us a postseason game....

 

...but if he does it with his defense nobody will remember it more than 24 hours.

[SoxHop]

...but if he does it with his defense nobody will remember it more than 24 hours.

 

JBJ needs to be studied. He's flat out is crap at the bat right now. Like he doesn't belong in the MLB. I think this is where our stat people come in and hocus pocas work the defensive ability compared to the offensive ability and show you a range of what he is worth and prest O change O......... you have a salary figure of what he is worth.

 

He looks like Leons double at the plate when he is not going well, flailing pathetically...... and there are good stretches of that for the entire season....

[OH FOY]

Nope. I know he's struggling a little now, but I still think in a tough situation, with men on, I like him. He seems to bear down, and gets big hits in key spots in the game. Edited September 28, 2017 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

JBJ needs to be studied. He's flat out is crap at the bat right now. Like he doesn't belong in the MLB. I think this is where our stat people come in and hocus pocas work the defensive ability compared to the offensive ability and show you a range of what he is worth and prest O change O......... you have a salary figure of what he is worth.

 

He looks like Leons double at the plate when he is not going well, flailing pathetically...... and there are good stretches of that for the entire season....

 

He is in a horrible slump right now. Luckily, he did get an RBI tonight.

 

That being said, to look this bad and for so long and still have a .733 OPS speaks to doing something good for a long enough stretch at points during this year to keep his OPS from not being all that bad.

 

He's a couple big games from being in the middle of the pack on this team. For that, we should trade him?

 

2 big games?

 

Really?

 

We shouldn't need stats to see how silly the idea is.

[oldtimer]

He is in a horrible slump right now. Luckily, he did get an RBI tonight.

 

That being said, to look this bad and for so long and still have a .733 OPS speaks to doing something good for a long enough stretch at points during this year to keep his OPS from not being all that bad.

 

He's a couple big games from being in the middle of the pack on this team. For that, we should trade him?

 

2 big games?

 

Really?

 

We shouldn't need stats to see how silly the idea is.

 

He is the last guy you say you would trade, meaning you would trade Betts, Beni, Bogaerts and Vaz before him? I believe you are taking a silly position for not considering it.

[Bellhorn04]

Here's a question that's related: if we do sign JD Martinez this offseason, where does he play? Do we try to convert him to first base, or do we trade JBJ and move Mookie to center? Edited September 28, 2017 by Bellhorn04

[Bellhorn04]

Bogey is more streaky than he is.

 

You keep saying this - but how did you come up with this conclusion, statistically speaking?

[SoxnCycles]

JBJ has a OBP of.423 in iter-league games.

Against the AL East, he has an OBP of .290.

 

As for his "getting hot" in the playoffs, his OBP against Cleveland and Houston is laughable.

 

An idea was floated on WEEI, that pitchers in the AL, and in the AL East, in particular, have figured him out.

The problem is he's not adjusting to the way he's being pitched to.

His "hot streaks" seem to come against teams he hasn't faced very often.

 

Lou Merloni called him stubborn and ( the always spot on) Kimmi says she has read that he's "uncoachable".

As great he is defensively, I'd trade him, if the coaching staff can't get through to him.

[Bellhorn04]

To me JBJ is a great example of why WAR can be a valuable stat.

[SoxnCycles]

...but if he does it with his defense nobody will remember it more than 24 hours.

 

Yeah, who remembers Tom Brunanski?

No one! That's who!

 

[moonslav59]

He is the last guy you say you would trade, meaning you would trade Betts, Beni, Bogaerts and Vaz before him? I believe you are taking a silly position for not considering it.

 

No, I said ONE OF THE LAST guys I'd trade- not THE last guy.

 

I just moved Vaz ahead of him, because of years of team control and the value I place on catcher defense. If you take away the money and years of control, and go just by value today and next year, here's my order:

 

1) Betts

2) JBJ

3) Beni

4) Devers

5) Vaz

6) Bogey

7) Pedey

8) HRam

[moonslav59]

You keep saying this - but how did you come up with this conclusion, statistically speaking?

 

I'm not counting both of their slow starts to their careers, but they are both very streaky.

 

2015 (since FT for JBJ) to today

 

Monthly

Bogey

2015: >>>.761/.876 (Pretty consistent)

2016: .785/.1.017/.815/.830/.599/.750 (A little more inconsistent: 1 very big, 2 pretty good, 2 in the middle, 1 very bad)

2017: .731/.949/.763/.452/.683/.792 (Yo-yo: 1 very good, 3 middle, 1 pretty bad and 1 horrible)

JBJ

2015: 1.163/.739 (1 great- 1 middle, I guess you could say inconsistent, but it's only 2 months and none were very bad))

2016: .807/1.175/.805/.839/.651/.731 (4 months over .800 with one being great, 1 okay, 1 bad, but nothing below .651)

2017: .596/.808/.1.009/.596/.770/.529 (1 great, 2 good, 3 very bad-- very streaky year.)

 

Not counting September 2017:

 

.452 Bogey

 

.596 JBJ

.596 JBJ

.599 Bogey

 

.651 JBJ

.683 Bogey

 

.731 Bogey

.731 JBJ

.739 JBJ

.750 Bogey (mean)

.761 Bogey

.763 Bogey

.770 JBJ

.785 Bogey

 

.805 JBJ

.807 JBJ

.808 JBJ

.815 Bogey

.830 Bogey

.839 JBJ

.876 Bogey

 

.949 Bogey

 

1.009 JBJ

1.017 Bogey

1.163 JBJ

1.175 JBJ

 

To me, they look pretty even. If September continues with JBJ slumping badly, they will both have about the same amount of bad months with JBJ having more great months.

 

Bogey has a cluster in the .700's while JBj has one in the low .800's.

 

They are 3-3 in the bottom 6 monthly OPS.

They are 3-3 in the top 6 OPS.

 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2017 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

JBj will win us a postseason game....

 

Maybe with his glove, definitely not his bat.

[mvp 78]

Here's a question that's related: if we do sign JD Martinez this offseason, where does he play? Do we try to convert him to first base, or do we trade JBJ and move Mookie to center?

 

He's a terrible OF. He either plays 1B or DH.

[jacksonianmarch]

JBJ, even with his down offensive season, is still work 2.4WAR. He is worth something if you deal him, but dealing him coming off a poor season is a good way to get pennies on the dollar

[cp176]

All depends on who you got coming back in the trade. There aren't many of these guys who would be untouchable if the right deal came along.

[Bellhorn04]

He's a terrible OF. He either plays 1B or DH.

 

OK, that settles that. Martinez for 1B/DH, and JBJ stays.

[mvp 78]

OK, that settles that. Martinez for 1B/DH, and JBJ stays.

 

I'd be happy with that plan. I'd like them to sign JD, extend Betts, and grab a FA reliever or two. I think Holt is replaced by Lin (better fielder) and Nunez should be replaced with Marrero or Hernandez. I'd also have Castillo on my opening day roster as the 4th OF. Travis would be in AAA, but would see lots of time in BOS due to Hanley's frequent health issues.

[moonslav59]

I'd be happy with that plan. I'd like them to sign JD, extend Betts, and grab a FA reliever or two. I think Holt is replaced by Lin (better fielder) and Nunez should be replaced with Marrero or Hernandez. I'd also have Castillo on my opening day roster as the 4th OF. Travis would be in AAA, but would see lots of time in BOS due to Hanley's frequent health issues.

 

Adding Castillo, signing JD plus 2 relievers would likely put us over the second penalty level.

 

Castillo is not going to be added to the 40 man, unless his contract plus the tax makes him worth it (highly unlikely).

 

I don't think we need 2 RP'er. We may not need 1.

 

We should have Smith FT. Thornburg could help. Ross, too.

 

Wright might be the long guy.

 

Workman all year.

 

Barnes and Hembree are a year more experienced.

 

Scott, Maddox, Taylor

 

There's lots of question marks, but because there are so many, I feel confident 7-8 will do well enough to earn a spot in the pen and do well.

[mvp 78]

Adding Castillo, signing JD plus 2 relievers would likely put us over the second penalty level.

 

Castillo is not going to be added to the 40 man, unless his contract plus the tax makes him worth it (highly unlikely).

 

I don't think we need 2 RP'er. We may not need 1.

 

We should have Smith FT. Thornburg could help. Ross, too.

 

Wright might be the long guy.

 

Workman all year.

 

Barnes and Hembree are a year more experienced.

 

Scott, Maddox, Taylor

 

There's lots of question marks, but because there are so many, I feel confident 7-8 will do well enough to earn a spot in the pen and do well.

 

You might not NEED 2 relievers, but there are always a couple of cheaper veteran relief options that you can pick up just in case.

[moonslav59]

You might not NEED 2 relievers, but there are always a couple of cheaper veteran relief options that you can pick up just in case.

 

If the two are better than Hembree, we'll have to trade him due to him having no options left, or the two will have to agree to minor league deals or have options remaining.

 

Here's how our pen looks next year without any additions:

 

Kimbrel

Smith

Kelly

Thornburg

Barnes

Ross

Hembree (no options)

 

Wright

Workman

Scott

Maddox

Taylor

Martin

Johnson/Velazquez/Beeks/Haley/Elias/Owens

 

I just don't see much room. As it is now, we have Hembree, Wright, Workman, Scott and Maddox fighting for one slot.

 

Sure sign a couple vets to minor league deals, but that's hardly even worth mentioning.

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

I don't see trading for a big piece as an option. We can't create new holes or further deplete the farm.

 

I'd try to sign JD Martinez and a 1 year deal 1Bman like Duda or Morrison. That would squeeze HRam's PAs but not really address any 2B injury issues. We'd have to hope Hernandez, Lin and others can do well enough, if needed.

[mvp 78]

If they DFA'd Hembree after ST, I don't think anyone would care.

[oldtimer]

JBJ, even with his down offensive season, is still work 2.4WAR. He is worth something if you deal him, but dealing him coming off a poor season is a good way to get pennies on the dollar

 

I couched my cosideration of trading him as only if we could get someone who would improve the team overall. I generally have this feeling about many of our players, since the team is facing an uphill battle against the best teams in the league. Clearly we need a power bat and Nunez or his equivalent and we probably need another good hitter.

 

Af far as guys that I wouldn't trade, I would include the following

 

Betts

Beni

Vaz

Devers

 

Possibly trade under the right circumstances

Bogaerts (very reluctant to let him go)

JBJ

Leon

 

Guys back next year that won't be traded or are not tradeable

Pedroia

Rameriz

 

FA that we want to return:

Nunez if possible or his equivalent

 

Major Hole(s):

1st base power hitter

Any starting player we trade

2nd base caused by expected PT limitations for Pedroia

 

Agree with others, our utility players can come from our existing roster of possibles.

 

Coaches and Mgr:

Need to try a different path at hitting coach

I'm not sold on JF but a new one could be better or worse

[Nick]

He's very affordable right now. I really don't want to break up the outfield unless we're getting Stanton.

 

Cather, shortstop and center field....must play defense.

[mvp 78]

2nd base caused by expected PT limitations for Pedroia

 

I think Marco Hernandez could adequately fill in for Pedroia if needed. Offensively he's about the same if not a little bit better than Pedroia going forward, but he is definitely not in Pedroia's league defensively.

[jacksonianmarch]

So a light hitting, minor league infielder can replace Pedroia’s offensive production? Ridiculous

[Bellhorn04]

i think marco hernandez could adequately fill in for pedroia if needed. offensively he's about the same if not a little bit better than pedroia going forward, but he is definitely not in pedroia's league defensively.

 

hahahahaha

[moonslav59]

If they DFA'd Hembree after ST, I don't think anyone would care.

 

I would. He's still got hope.

[cp176]

hahahahaha

 

He's just being sarcastic again right ?