2017 Rotation Discussion

[moonslav59]

With Velazquez pitching on Monday and no other starting depth until injury prone EROd gets back, imo we need another starting pitcher.

 

I'm actually more worried about Porcello than ERod, Price or Velazquez.

 

Maybe there's a hidden injury. Maybe there's something wrong with his mechanics- that can be fixed. Maybe last year was just a wild fluke. But, he sucks right now!

[notin]

I'm actually more worried about Porcello than ERod, Price or Velazquez.

 

Maybe there's a hidden injury. Maybe there's something wrong with his mechanics- that can be fixed. Maybe last year was just a wild fluke. But, he sucks right now!

 

I think he's just throwing too hard....

[Maxbialystock]

ERod last start was June 1. Didn't FO say 3-4 weeks to rest knee?

[Jack Flap]

ERod last start was June 1. Didn't FO say 3-4 weeks to rest knee?

 

Last update I've seen is that he is supposed to throw to live hitters sometime this week and hopefully head out on rehab assignment after that...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/06/d-backs-pollock-quad-strain-joe-smith-jays-dl-eduardo-rodriguez-rehab-villar-hughes.html

[Nick]

ERod last start was June 1. Didn't FO say 3-4 weeks to rest knee?

 

They were less concerned about him throwing off the mound than being able to run and making cuts. What if he has to cover a bunt and make a quick pivot on a throw to first...that sort of things.

[a700hitter]

This signing was a zero.

The Red Sox have outrighted right-hander Kyle Kendrick off of their 40-man roster, Evan Drellich of CSNNE.com reports on Twitter. He will remain at Triple-A Pawtucket, however, suggesting he has already cleared waivers.Kendrick, 32, was previously optioned after making two rough starts at the major league level for Boston. He consented to that move and evidently wishes to continue on with the organization despite now losing his 40-man spot. It’s not yet known what the team will do with the new roster opening.

Over 54 2/3 innings through nine starts at Triple-A, Kendrick owns a 5.93 ERA with 6.1 K/9 against 1.3 BB/9. His most recent substantial work at the MLB level came with the Rockies in 2015, when he turned in 142 1/3 frames of 6.32 ERA ball.

[Spudboy]

This signing was a zero.

 

Velazquez looks like the better of the two dumpster dives, doesn't he?

[a700hitter]

Velazquez looks like the better of the two dumpster dives, doesn't he?

Much better. Kendrick is a known bum who is past a very meh prime.

[moonslav59]

MLBTR

 

Eduardo Rodriguez Nearing Rehab Assignment

By Jeff Todd | June 19, 2017 at 11:29pm CDT

 

While the Red Sox wait to learn more about the status of second baseman Dustin Pedroia, who took a pitch to the ribcage on Sunday, the club has continued to receive good news on lefty Eduardo Rodriguez. As Rob Bradford of WEEI.com tweets, skipper John Farrell says that Rodriguez will face live hitters this week and possibly head out for a rehab assignment thereafter.

 

From June 16th...\

 

It’s possible that the Red Sox may soon welcome back lefty Eduardo Rodriguez. per an update from manager John Farrell (h/t Peter Abraham of the Boston Glove; links to Twitter). Rodriguez was “ecstatic” after a 33-pitch pen session today, says Farrell, who indicated that the southpaw may be only one rehab start away from returning to the majors. That would surely be excellent news for Boston; Rodriguez’s knee issue seemed rather frightening when it arose, since he has dealt with significant problems in the joint in the past.

[SoxHop]

I hope E-Rod isn't this injury prone his stint with the Sox.

 

I'm really high on the guy. Anyone that can pitch the way he does and make it look as easy as walking through the park has major skills. I thought this year was going to be his breakout year.

 

We just need two of Porcello, E-Rod, or Price to pitch decent and we are ALE championship bound in my opinion. If all three pitched a pretty good year......... we would have a great team............ but that's a lot of wishing right there.

[Kimmi]

I hope E-Rod isn't this injury prone his stint with the Sox.

 

I'm really high on the guy. Anyone that can pitch the way he does and make it look as easy as walking through the park has major skills. I thought this year was going to be his breakout year.

 

We just need two of Porcello, E-Rod, or Price to pitch decent and we are ALE championship bound in my opinion. If all three pitched a pretty good year......... we would have a great team............ but that's a lot of wishing right there.

 

I read that ERod has something physically wrong with his knee that makes him prone to retweaking it. Unfortunately, I fear that Erod will be on and off the DL throughout his career. I hope that I am wrong.

 

I'm hopeful that Price will get better with more starts. Porcello might benefit from a DL stint to work on whatever he needs to correct. The problem is, we don't have anyone to start in his place while ERod is out.

[a700hitter]

I read that ERod has something physically wrong with his knee that makes him prone to retweaking it. Unfortunately, I fear that Erod will be on and off the DL throughout his career. I hope that I am wrong.

 

I'm hopeful that Price will get better with more starts. Porcello might benefit from a DL stint to work on whatever he needs to correct. The problem is, we don't have anyone to start in his place while ERod is out.

If he isn't already using a brace, theyshould fit him with a knee brace pronto.

[veryoldtimer]

This is my first attempt to post on any forum, and I don't have a clue if I'm doing this right.

Rick Porcello has been awful this year, but I submit that even if he had pitched just like Sale, he'd still have a losing record.

In 7 of his losses, the Sox had scored zero runs by the time he left the game, and in the other 2 they got 1 run for him.

I'm no stat geek, but I suspect that very few games are won when you don't score any runs.

In 5 of his losses, he did pitch like Sale. He left after giving up 2 or 3 runs . In those games the Sox scored a total of 5 runs.

Sale has pitched great, no doubt about it. He has 5 victories where he left after giving up 2 or 3 runs.

In those 5 games the Sox have scored 30 runs.

Last year Porcello was the lucky recipient of the tremendous run support, but this year the worm has turned.

[a700hitter]

This is my first attempt to post on any forum, and I don't have a clue if I'm doing this right.

Rick Porcello has been awful this year, but I submit that even if he had pitched just like Sale, he'd still have a losing record.

In 7 of his losses, the Sox had scored zero runs by the time he left the game, and in the other 2 they got 1 run for him.

I'm no stat geek, but I suspect that very few games are won when you don't score any runs.

In 5 of his losses, he did pitch like Sale. He left after giving up 2 or 3 runs . In those games the Sox scored a total of 5 runs.

Sale has pitched great, no doubt about it. He has 5 victories where he left after giving up 2 or 3 runs.

In those 5 games the Sox have scored 30 runs.

Last year Porcello was the lucky recipient of the tremendous run support, but this year the worm has turned.

Last year, he pitched very well and he got great run support. This year is the opposite, but you are pitching pretty s***** and hurting your team when you are carrying a 5+ ERA to the mound at the end of June. His WHIP is 1.52 and Hits per 9 innings is 12. That is garbage no matter how you slice it.

[S5Dewey]

Good points, VOT!

 

And welcome to the forum.

[mvp 78]

This is my first attempt to post on any forum, and I don't have a clue if I'm doing this right.

Rick Porcello has been awful this year, but I submit that even if he had pitched just like Sale, he'd still have a losing record.

In 7 of his losses, the Sox had scored zero runs by the time he left the game, and in the other 2 they got 1 run for him.

I'm no stat geek, but I suspect that very few games are won when you don't score any runs.

In 5 of his losses, he did pitch like Sale. He left after giving up 2 or 3 runs . In those games the Sox scored a total of 5 runs.

Sale has pitched great, no doubt about it. He has 5 victories where he left after giving up 2 or 3 runs.

In those 5 games the Sox have scored 30 runs.

Last year Porcello was the lucky recipient of the tremendous run support, but this year the worm has turned.

 

I think that's why people generally ignore pitcher W/L records. The more important stat for a pitcher is whether they pitched well, not if they pitched to the score like Jack Morris or whatever. A pitcher can only control what he does on the mound, not how the offense backs him up.

 

This is how I see the Sox rotation:

 

Sale - one of the best pitchers in the game

ERod - injury history, inconsistent from start to start, can look like an ace in one game and struggle to get through 5 innings the next

Price - probably going to be back on DL by the end of the season and having surgery in offseason, he has no command right now

Porcello - ace ceiling, but gets rocked by the gopher ball as he is a pitch to contact guy and doesn't always locate well

Pomeranz - couldn't pitch 7 innings if his life depended on it, his production is an average DiceK season

 

Others:

Wright - the great unknown, could have been great for this season if not for Farrell's dumb managing last year

Velasquez - fine for a dumpster dive guy

Johnson - a decent AAAA guy who can't pitch a full season for a multitude of reasons

Owens - trade bait, can't throw strikes and doesn't have the stuff for long term success in the bigs

[Spudboy]

This is my first attempt to post on any forum, and I don't have a clue if I'm doing this right.

Rick Porcello has been awful this year, but I submit that even if he had pitched just like Sale, he'd still have a losing record.

In 7 of his losses, the Sox had scored zero runs by the time he left the game, and in the other 2 they got 1 run for him.

I'm no stat geek, but I suspect that very few games are won when you don't score any runs.

In 5 of his losses, he did pitch like Sale. He left after giving up 2 or 3 runs . In those games the Sox scored a total of 5 runs.

Sale has pitched great, no doubt about it. He has 5 victories where he left after giving up 2 or 3 runs.

In those 5 games the Sox have scored 30 runs.

Last year Porcello was the lucky recipient of the tremendous run support, but this year the worm has turned.

 

Welcome to the Rogue State!

 

It looks like you will fit in here quite well.

[mvp 78]

@mlbtraderumors

 

Red Sox Claim Doug Fister Off Release Waivers

[Jack Flap]

The Red Sox have claimed righty Doug Fister off release waivers, reports SB Nation’s Chris Cotillo (Twitter links). The signing is a reunion of sorts for Fister, who previously spent two and a half seasons with the Tigers when Dave Dombrowski was Detroit’s general manager. Because he was claimed off release waivers, Fister will have the option to reject the claim and hit free agency, though he’d be turning a way a spot on Boston’s 40-man roster, so that route seems unlikely.

 

By making the claim, the Red Sox are agreeing to take on Fister’s existing contract, which came with a $1.75MM salary (pro-rated) for any time spent in the Majors, Cotillo reported at the time of the signing. He can also earn up to $1MM worth of incentives based on games started or $200K based on relief work, per the associated press. It’s not clear whether Fister will head to Triple-A or join Boston’s big league staff, though he is tuned up to the point where he could conceivably step into manager John Farrell’s rotation.

 

Fister made three starts with the Angels’ Triple-A affiliate, totaling 15 2/3 innings with 10 strikeouts against five walks. Of course, most of his success came in his first minor league outing (five innings, one run on four hits and a walk with seven strikeouts). Fister was hit a bit harder in his second and third outings, yielding six runs in 10 2/3 innings with more walks (four) than punchouts (three).

 

Fister, though, has a lengthy track record of success in the big leagues and should provide some depth to a rotation that currently has options Steven Wright, Eduardo Rodriguez, Brian Johnson and Roenis Elias on the disabled list. While it’s been a few years since he posted above-average marks as a starter, Fister did take the ball for 32 starts as a member of the 2016 Astros, working to a 4.64 ERA across 180 1/3 innings in the Houston rotation.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/06/red-sox-claim-doug-fister-off-release-waivers.html

[Jack Flap]

Peter Abraham is reporting that Fister is joining the major league roster, though whether starting or in relief is unclear. (I would presume he'd be replacing Velazquez...)

[mvp 78]

Peter Abraham is reporting that Fister is joining the major league roster, though whether starting or in relief is unclear. (I would presume he'd be replacing Velazquez...)

 

Career GS - 199, Career G 212.

 

I'd say that's a good indication of where he'll pitch.

[a700hitter]

Did somebody say low risk high reward?

[Nick]

Did somebody say low risk high reward?

 

At least it's not a $9M guaranteed contract with another $4M in incentives....Masterson? We piss away money like my teenage daughter. She actually told me to go to a bank machine when I told her I didn't have any money. I think she was 6 at the time.

 

Ben got two credit cards and maxed out both in couple of days.

[mvp 78]

Did somebody say low risk high reward?

 

Dojji: I think you mean low risk low reward. There's no such thing as a low risk high reward guy. Risk and reward are directly proportional, not inversely.

[Spudboy]

I love his name!

 

I think this is a good signing. Rotation depth is pretty important.

 

Especially with the walking wounded this team has been.

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Lot of information coming out of Dombrowski press conference. 1. Doug Fister will enter the rotation and start on Sunday. ....

[mvp 78]

@EvanDrellich

 

Eduardo Rodriguez to face hitters tomorrow, Dombrowski said. If that goes well, then five day schedule. Red Sox hope back by All Star break

[a700hitter]

@EvanDrellich

 

Eduardo Rodriguez to face hitters tomorrow, Dombrowski said. If that goes well, then five day schedule. Red Sox hope back by All Star break

That is about what I expected under a best case scenario.

[SoxHop]

I love his name!

 

I think this is a good signing. Rotation depth is pretty important.

 

Especially with the walking wounded this team has been.

 

Yea....... this could be brutal with this guy.....

 

I mean some English names and German names you can understand what occupation their forefathers held............ Baker...... Blacksmith...... Carpenter.

 

 

Edited June 24, 2017 by SoxHop

[moonslav59]

I'm not expecting much from this signing, but there s a sliver of hope he regains his stuff (or comes close).