25 Man Roster

[notin]

hey - potato potato- I'm very literal and if he thinks that Hernandez claim to fame is his ability to hit AAA pitching which is what he said more power to him .

 

Actually I've been pushing for Hernandez over Holt for my past 3 websites.

 

But I was also speaking more about how fans overreact top spring training performances, and that for the most part, 25 man roster decisions are made a lot earlier than you think.

 

Also spring training is made of two types of players. Played under contract who know they have a spot and therefore only try top not get hurt, and players trying to make an impression. The problem with the latter group is they wind up either facing minor league pitching or major leaguers trying not to get hurt and nothing more. ..

[Wade Boggs]

Yeah, his situation is a bit confusing to me. I know he didn't do the Red Sox shoulder strengthening program, but my question is ... what has he done in the off season every other year before this one to get ready for a season? What did he do last year?

 

Hope a few guys step up with all these minor health issues mounting.

 

Agree. The pen is a worry spot for me. I hope it's minor. As for TT , i have no idea what his program was but he can't rushed back. The player i would like back ASAP is Carson Smith. He's tossing and throwing on flat ground. But that is a month of June plan before he comes back. As you know teams have different programs.

[Fisk]

I will just say again with great emphasis that it will be ridiculous if Hernandez is not on the 25 man roster. Based not only upon what he has done this spring but what he did last year as well. I realize that based on who has options and who doesn't that he might get sent back. i also realize that he eventually will get his chance. If he gets sent back, Rutledge and Holt are quite likely to be on the field together at the ml level while Hernandez (who is a better player) plays in Pawtucket. Their lineup would be better with Hernandez in it.

 

I agree with you it does suck, rather have Hernandez then Rutledge, but I understand they have to preserve depth. The only thing I wonder how hard would it be to get a player like Rutledge if one is needed, shouldn't be to hard.

[cp176]

Actually I've been pushing for Hernandez over Holt for my past 3 websites.

 

But I was also speaking more about how fans overreact top spring training performances, and that for the most part, 25 man roster decisions are made a lot earlier than you think.

 

Also spring training is made of two types of players. Played under contract who know they have a spot and therefore only try top not get hurt, and players trying to make an impression. The problem with the latter group is they wind up either facing minor league pitching or major leaguers trying not to get hurt and nothing more. ..

 

It seems that you are trying to educate me Notin. No can do. I already get what you are saying. Hernandez has earned the right to be on the 25 man based on any criteria that anyone can come up with. If he isn't, it will not be right. Any amount of somewhat logical spin will not make it better. it will be wrong.

[cp176]

I agree with you it does suck, rather have Hernandez then Rutledge, but I understand they have to preserve depth. The only thing I wonder how hard would it be to get a player like Rutledge if one is needed, shouldn't be to hard.

 

 

I do understand the rationale behind a possible send down for this kid Fisk. i will never accept that it is the right move in this case though.

[notin]

I will just say again with great emphasis that it will be ridiculous if Hernandez is not on the 25 man roster. Based not only upon what he has done this spring but what he did last year as well. I realize that based on who has options and who doesn't that he might get sent back. i also realize that he eventually will get his chance. If he gets sent back, Rutledge and Holt are quite likely to be on the field together at the ml level while Hernandez (who is a better player) plays in Pawtucket. Their lineup would be better with Hernandez in it.

 

How often will Rutledge and Holt really be on the field together? I agree Hernandez is probably better than both, and is certainly better than Rutledge, But we're talking about the 25th man on the roster who, if no injuries set in, might be looking at 100-150 plate appearances and maybe 100 innings in the field. It's reallY not that criminal to have him play in Pawtucket and actually see regular playing time. When the Sox need an infielder to get some regular playing time, Hernandez đoes seem like the better choice of the three. But then we all know Holt is capable of getting hot and making Hernandez moot...

Edited March 28, 2017 by notin

[cp176]

How often will Rutledge and Holt really be on the field together? I agree Hernandez is probably better than both, and is certainly better than Rutledge, But we're talking about the 25th man on the roster who, if no injuries set in, might be looking at 100-150 plate appearances and maybe 100 innings in the field. It's reallY not that criminal to have him play in Pawtucket and actually see regular playing time. When the Sox need an infielder to get some regular playing time, Hernandez đoes seem like the better choice of the three. But then we all know Holt is capable of getting hot and making Hernandez moot...

 

I don't know how often JF will put Rutledge and Holt on the field at the same time. It is John farrell - You just don't know. Once would be too often for me. John has a history of coming up with some extraordinary lineups. I'm just trying to help him out. I don't know whether it would be criminal or not but no amount of "it is no big deal" makes it alright when it comes to someone who has done all that has been asked and outperformed repeatedly players that might be kept ahead of him. I am glad to see that he at least seems like the better choice to you. I might just eliminate the word seems and call it a no brainer. I have this moral compass inside of me when it comes to what is right and what is wrong. I would prefer that they trade this kid as opposed to sending him down. He deserves a chance - if not with us then with someone else. He shouldn't have to wait. Oh, by the way, I don't agree that he would be number 25 on the roster if a list was made based on best to last.

[notin]

But he (or Rutledge) will be the 25th man to get on the field, and will rank 25th in terms of playing time (barring injuries). And this is unlikely to change unless Hernandez learns to pitch or catch.

 

The irony of Hernandez ' situation is that most players like him learn to bat left handed in order to get on the field more often. Yet Hernandez is in a position where he is going to be kept of the field because he isn't handed. ..

[cp176]

But he (or Rutledge) will be the 25th man to get on the field, and will rank 25th in terms of playing time (barring injuries). And this is unlikely to change unless Hernandez learns to pitch or catch.

 

The irony of Hernandez ' situation is that most players like him learn to bat left handed in order to get on the field more often. Yet Hernandez is in a position where he is going to be kept of the field because he isn't handed. ..

 

I agree with you but I would never agree that it is right.

[mvp 78]

How often will Rutledge and Holt really be on the field together? I agree Hernandez is probably better than both, and is certainly better than Rutledge, But we're talking about the 25th man on the roster who, if no injuries set in, might be looking at 100-150 plate appearances and maybe 100 innings in the field. It's reallY not that criminal to have him play in Pawtucket and actually see regular playing time. When the Sox need an infielder to get some regular playing time, Hernandez đoes seem like the better choice of the three. But then we all know Holt is capable of getting hot and making Hernandez moot...

 

Yup. If Hernandez isn't going to be getting a lot of playing time, I'd rather keep him warm down in Pawtucket.

[moonslav59]

With Price and Carsson Smith on the DL and Thronburg likely to join them, this should be the opening day 25 man roster:

 

Porcello, Sale, ERod, Wright, Pom

Kimbrel, Kelly, Barnes, Hembree, Ross, Abad, Scott

Leon, Moreland, Pedey, Sandy, Bogey, Beni, JBJ, Betts, HanRam

Vaz, Rutledge, Holt, Young

 

[cp176]

Yup. If Hernandez isn't going to be getting a lot of playing time, I'd rather keep him warm down in Pawtucket.

 

As if Pawtucket is ever warm.

[Kimmi]

It seems that you are trying to educate me Notin. No can do. I already get what you are saying. Hernandez has earned the right to be on the 25 man based on any criteria that anyone can come up with. If he isn't, it will not be right. Any amount of somewhat logical spin will not make it better. it will be wrong.

 

This type of thing happens all the time CP. It might not seem fair, but it's what is in the best interest of the team. IMO, it is absolutely the right move.

 

Kendrick was sent down today even though he has out-pitched Pomeranz in spring training. Why? Because once they call him up, he does not have any options to be sent back down.

[a700hitter]

Rutledge just pulled up lame on the bases. Marco Hernandez may make the big club for Opening Day.

[Fisk]

Rutledge just pulled up lame on the bases. Marco Hernandez may make the big club for Opening Day.

 

I'm fine with that.

[moonslav59]

This type of thing happens all the time CP. It might not seem fair, but it's what is in the best interest of the team. IMO, it is absolutely the right move.

 

Kendrick was sent down today even though he has out-pitched Pomeranz in spring training. Why? Because once they call him up, he does not have any options to be sent back down.

 

Plus, Pom is better. There's that too.

 

Some people (not you) put too much stock in ST'ing numbers.

[Kimmi]

Plus, Pom is better. There's that too.

 

Some people (not you) put too much stock in ST'ing numbers.

 

Yes, Pom is better. My question is, though, is he ready?

[Fisk]

Yes, Pom is better. My question is, though, is he ready?

 

I imagine they will limit his pitch count in first couple of starts.

[cp176]

This type of thing happens all the time CP. It might not seem fair, but it's what is in the best interest of the team. IMO, it is absolutely the right move.

 

Kendrick was sent down today even though he has out-pitched Pomeranz in spring training. Why? Because once they call him up, he does not have any options to be sent back down.

 

I understand all of the rationale behind sending Hernandez down. I don't like it that's all. People seem to think that I don't understand why it might happen. I don't like it but of course I understand it. Personally, I think that Hernandez makes the 25 man anyway. At some point in time, you have to actually do something to earn the right to be on the team. He has played as well as just about anyone and there is certainly no comparing him with Rutledge. I like rutledge but keeping him is just another example of the Red Sox stockpiling players that will never help them.

[cp176]

Rutledge just pulled up lame on the bases. Marco Hernandez may make the big club for Opening Day.

 

Do I sense a conspiracy here? I'm still thinking that Hernandez makes the team regardless of what becomes of Rutledge.

[moonslav59]

Yes, Pom is better. My question is, though, is he ready?

 

Yes

[moonslav59]

Do I sense a conspiracy here? I'm still thinking that Hernandez makes the team regardless of what becomes of Rutledge.

 

Phantom DL?

[moonslav59]

I understand all of the rationale behind sending Hernandez down. I don't like it that's all. People seem to think that I don't understand why it might happen. I don't like it but of course I understand it. Personally, I think that Hernandez makes the 25 man anyway. At some point in time, you have to actually do something to earn the right to be on the team. He has played as well as just about anyone and there is certainly no comparing him with Rutledge. I like rutledge but keeping him is just another example of the Red Sox stockpiling players that will never help them.

 

Why do ST'ing numbers mean so much?

[moonslav59]

Why do ST'ing numbers mean so much?

 

(And, I'm a huge Marco fan and was high on him years ago.)

[cp176]

Why do ST'ing numbers mean so much?

 

Do you really think that that is all I am basing my feelings for Hernandez on? You're excused I guess - you don't know me. I have been following and supporting him since I first saw him play. He is a much better player these days - bigger, faster, stronger if you will. He proved last year that he could at least be serviceable on an intermittent basis. I have not and continue to not see any real comparison between Hernandez and Rutledge. I like hard nosed young players who can run, drive the ball a little , and make plays in the field. I don't really mind it much when people want to casually assume that my opinions are based on things that don't matter much such as spring training stats. Those very same people tend to assume that they might know more about athletics in general than I do. The thing that grates me about this is the condescension piece. My hunch and it is just a hunch, is that these very same people wouldn't truly recognize a clutch moment in any type of athletic endeavor if it jumped up and bit them in the ass. Maybe I didn't really answer your question - here you go - they don't!

[moonslav59]

Do you really think that that is all I am basing my feelings for Hernandez on? You're excused I guess - you don't know me. I have been following and supporting him since I first saw him play. He is a much better player these days - bigger, faster, stronger if you will. He proved last year that he could at least be serviceable on an intermittent basis. I have not and continue to not see any real comparison between Hernandez and Rutledge. I like hard nosed young players who can run, drive the ball a little , and make plays in the field. I don't really mind it much when people want to casually assume that my opinions are based on things that don't matter much such as spring training stats. Those very same people tend to assume that they might know more about athletics in general than I do. The thing that grates me about this is the condescension piece. My hunch and it is just a hunch, is that these very same people wouldn't truly recognize a clutch moment in any type of athletic endeavor if it jumped up and bit them in the ass. Maybe I didn't really answer your question - here you go - they don't!

 

Nice response.

 

I've also been a huge Marco supporter since we traded for him.

 

I wanted him to play 3B last year instead of Shaw and Holt.

 

The issue this year goes beyond keeping epth due to options, which itself is a strong argument to keep Rutledge in the mix. I have long been a doubter of Pablo's ability to hit LHPs ever again. I think he should be platooned immediately. While Marco's splits are not wide, I think Rutledge is probably equal or better than Marco vs lefties. Maarco might have a better glove but worse 3B arm. I think they are pretty even when a lefty is pitching. That's the point that tips the balance to giving Marco full time playing at AAA to start the year. Any injury to Bogey, Pablo or Pedey would man an immediate call-up and FT job for Marco. If Pablo struggles vs RHPs too, then I'd think of replacing him with Marco.

 

I apologize for implying your decision was based on just (or primarily) ST'ing numbers. Others here seems to be basing it on that, because besides a handful of posters, there was little love for Marco before this spring.

[cp176]

Nice response.

 

I've also been a huge Marco supporter since we traded for him.

 

I wanted him to play 3B last year instead of Shaw and Holt.

 

The issue this year goes beyond keeping epth due to options, which itself is a strong argument to keep Rutledge in the mix. I have long been a doubter of Pablo's ability to hit LHPs ever again. I think he should be platooned immediately. While Marco's splits are not wide, I think Rutledge is probably equal or better than Marco vs lefties. Maarco might have a better glove but worse 3B arm. I think they are pretty even when a lefty is pitching. That's the point that tips the balance to giving Marco full time playing at AAA to start the year. Any injury to Bogey, Pablo or Pedey would man an immediate call-up and FT job for Marco. If Pablo struggles vs RHPs too, then I'd think of replacing him with Marco.

 

I apologize for implying your decision was based on just (or primarily) ST'ing numbers. Others here seems to be basing it on that, because besides a handful of posters, there was little love for Marco before this spring.

 

ty for this response! You have made some strong points that I am sure have to come in to play when deciding who to keep and who not to keep. Ultimately it probably will make little difference whether Marco is sent to AAA or kept. Emotion has always played a role in decisions I have made over the course of a life time. This is once again a decision I would make if I could based on the fact that I think it is the right one to make. I understand that it would not be popular if all of the available data was used to determine what is best for the franchise overall. I just think that he deserves to be on that team.

[moonslav59]

ty for this response! You have made some strong points that I am sure have to come in to play when deciding who to keep and who not to keep. Ultimately it probably will make little difference whether Marco is sent to AAA or kept. Emotion has always played a role in decisions I have made over the course of a life time. This is once again a decision I would make if I could based on the fact that I think it is the right one to make. I understand that it would not be popular if all of the available data was used to determine what is best for the franchise overall. I just think that he deserves to be on that team.

 

I think we both agree Marco is an overall better player than Rutledge, especially at SS or 2B.

 

Personally, I'd rather have Marco over Brock, but our OF depth (on the 25 and 40 man roster) is thin.

 

I want to keep Rutledge until we know more about Pablo, and starting Marco in AAA or Rut on the DL seems like the best way to do it.

[mvp 78]

As if Pawtucket is ever warm.

 

The last time I drank a Pawtucket Patriot, it was literally the warmest beer I'd ever had.

[moonslav59]

The last time I drank a Pawtucket Patriot, it was literally the warmest beer I'd ever had.

 

Maybe it was really some other warm yellow liquid.