2017 Yankees Season Thread

[Kimmi]

And Tanaka was brilliant last night. If we get him pitching like that, we will be very fortunate

 

I was questioning on another site if Tanaka is only able to pitch well when there is a lot of hype surrounding the match up.

[a700hitter]

I was questioning on another site if Tanaka is only able to pitch well when there is a lot of hype surrounding the match up.

Are you asking if he is clutch and can rise to the occasion?

[Kimmi]

Are you asking if he is clutch and can rise to the occasion?

 

Ha. As I was posting that, I 100% knew that someone would bring up the clutch argument in response. I almost put a disclaimer in my post about it.

 

I have posted before that emotions and mental state have a big effect on players' performances. Was it a clutch performance? Absolutely. Is it a repeatable skill? Probably not.

[jacksonianmarch]

It's not about the hype, it's about the splitter. If the splitter drops, he dominates. If it hangs, he gets killed. He needs his fb-splitter combo. His slider is pretty good, but he doesn't have the velocity to be a pure fb-slider guy

[Spudboy]

It's not about the hype, it's about the splitter. If the splitter drops, he dominates. If it hangs, he gets killed. He needs his fb-splitter combo. His slider is pretty good, but he doesn't have the velocity to be a pure fb-slider guy

 

Should there still be concern for his elbow Doc?

[jacksonianmarch]

I've been concerned about the elbow since the splitter went away, but if he continues to keep his velocity and locate the splitter, then I won't be.

[a700hitter]

Ha. As I was posting that, I 100% knew that someone would bring up the clutch argument in response. I almost put a disclaimer in my post about it.

 

I have posted before that emotions and mental state have a big effect on players' performances. Was it a clutch performance? Absolutely. Is it a repeatable skill? Probably not.

So, a player can rise to the occasion, but he just can't ensure a positive outcome. I think this is what has been said by those who believe in the notion of clutch. Congratulations, you are a believer.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Clutch is real.

 

Nobody churns out more month end financial reports at crunch time than me. The key to my success is spending less time on sites like these.

[jacksonianmarch]

June 28th, the first full day the Yankees havent been in first in awhile. It is also their deathknell day, IMO. We have had our share of injuries. We've effectively lost Bird for the whole first half, but with our performance, we havent missed him. We lost Chap for a month, we persevered. We lost Sanchez for a month and Romine did his best Gary Sanchez impression while he was out. Ellsbury went down, but he was effectively our 4th OFer when he went down, so no harm no foul. But the past 2 weeks have seen us be absolutely decimated.

 

We lose CC for a month or more due to a hammy. We have lost each start made by Cessa in his stead

We lose Gleyber Torres for the year. He was in the minors, but he was rumored to be heading to the Bronx to take over 3b.

We lose Aaron Hicks for a month. He's already provided 2.7WAR and has a .900+ OPS. Ellsbury slides back in, but definite downgrade

We lose Castro for at least a few weeks. He's already got 1.7WAR and a .830+OPS. We replace him with Wade, who is a good prospect, but I dont think he can be counted on

We now lose Holliday for who knows how long. He has profound fatigue following a viral illness. Who knows how long that will last for.

 

In a 2 week stretch, we lost our #2 pitcher, our hot shot prospect, and our #'s 2, 4, and 6 hitters who are all hitting the heck out of the ball. We are replacing them with either journeymen or unproven rookies. At the same time, the sox have gained 6 games on us in that span and have overtaken 1st. I have a feeling this is the end, although a half season run that was felled by injuries is a lot more than I expected. Now, it is time to see if the kids can keep us in the wild card push.

[bkzwhitestrican]

This ain't the end. Nobody is running away with this division.

 

All it'll take for a team to win the East is to go on an extended hot streak. While we have injury issues, none are long term. We'll be close to full strength soon enough (barring any new injuries).

[Spudboy]

This ain't the end. Nobody is running away with this division.

 

All it'll take for a team to win the East is to go on an extended hot streak. While we have injury issues, none are long term. We'll be close to full strength soon enough (barring any new injuries).

 

Anyone could take the ALE.

 

I'm not counting out the Yankees.

[Kimmi]

This ain't the end. Nobody is running away with this division.

 

All it'll take for a team to win the East is to go on an extended hot streak. While we have injury issues, none are long term. We'll be close to full strength soon enough (barring any new injuries).

 

I agree. Still anyone's division, if you ask me.

[jacksonianmarch]

If the Yankees stay close by Aug 1, then I'll eat my words happily. You can only turn a roster over to kids so much before you start to lose

[Bellhorn04]

I agree. Still anyone's division, if you ask me.

 

I agree with this too.

[jacksonianmarch]

Dustin Fowler, in his MLB debut, sustains an open patellar disruption. Ouch. That will likely sap some of his plus speed long term

[Kimmi]

Dustin Fowler, in his MLB debut, sustains an open patellar disruption. Ouch. That will likely sap some of his plus speed long term

 

That is really a tough break for any player, much less a kid making his major league debut. He didn't even get an at bat in the game. I wish him a speedy recovery.

[Bellhorn04]

As much as Cashman has been praised for all the moves he made trading stars for prospects, I'm still not convinced he did the right thing trading Andrew Miller. It could certainly pay off in the long run, but it's unquestionably hurting the 2017 team. Miller has a 2.2 WAR, the same as Kimbrel. I for one am glad the Yanks don't have him, especially with how their bullpen has been struggling of late.

[jacksonianmarch]

We'll see. Frazier likely comes up as a result

[Bellhorn04]

We'll see. Frazier likely comes up as a result

 

You guys already have a strong outfield though.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hicks is on the DL

[jacksonianmarch]

And Clint Frazier hits a double and a homer in his debut!

[Bellhorn04]

And ironically, the bullpen blows the game.

[Youk Of The Nation]

That has to be one of the shittiest ways to end a game, and the fact that it happened to the Yankees makes me feel so warm and fuzzy inside. Not as good as seeing Kolten Wong picked off of first, but definitely a nice moment.

[jacksonianmarch]

Betances goes into a funk every year. It's annoying, but it happens

[Bellhorn04]

Betances is showing some regression in his numbers. His WHIP has gone up each year. This year he's given up 21 walks in 26 innings.

[Station 13]

Betances is showing some regression in his numbers. His WHIP has gone up each year. This year he's given up 21 walks in 26 innings.

 

7.10BB/9 lmao

[dgalehouse]

I'm starting to think that Betances has some choke in him. Great stuff , but does not seem to like the pressure situations.

[dgalehouse]

I agree. Still anyone's division, if you ask me.

 

I don't agree that the division is up for grabs and anyone can win it. I think people say that out of habit. If everything goes right for the Yankees , they might just stay in the race. The O's starting pitching is terrible. The Jays are not a good team. The Rays are pesky , but not a real threat. There is an excellent chance that the Sox will pull away in the second half. They are clearly the most talented, deepest team in the division.

[Kimmi]

I don't agree that the division is up for grabs and anyone can win it. I think people say that out of habit. If everything goes right for the Yankees , they might just stay in the race. The O's starting pitching is terrible. The Jays are not a good team. The Rays are pesky , but not a real threat. There is an excellent chance that the Sox will pull away in the second half. They are clearly the most talented, deepest team in the division.

 

I think and have always thought that the Sox are the most talented team in the division, and IMO, they remain the division favorites. That said, I have never thought, and still don't think, that they will run away in the second half. I'd love to see that, but I don't think it will happen.

 

Baseball is a funny game. Anything can and does happen. I think the Jays chances are slipping away after being swept, but I would not count out the other teams.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

As much as Cashman has been praised for all the moves he made trading stars for prospects, I'm still not convinced he did the right thing trading Andrew Miller. It could certainly pay off in the long run, but it's unquestionably hurting the 2017 team. Miller has a 2.2 WAR, the same as Kimbrel. I for one am glad the Yanks don't have him, especially with how their bullpen has been struggling of late.

 

Great post--I think this is a valid criticism. The Yankees would have a better record right now if they kept Miller--we are seeing some weakness from their bullpen; meanwhile, Miller continues to be dominant.

 

I like what the Guardians did in this trade. They gave up Frazier, a good prospect, but not an elite one, and not a guy who has put up elite offensive numbers in the upper-minors. Frazier has looked pretty mediocre in Scranton this year thus far. Sheffield has upside, but he profiles as a middle-of-the-rotation starter at best and the odds are against Sheffield even reaching that level.

 

So, for Miller, the Yankees obtained two pretty good prospects, but neither one has a high ceiling. In other words, the Yankees should have kept A.Miller!

Edited July 2, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs