2016-2017 Offseason Trade Speculation Thread

[moonslav59]

He's gonna get a one year plus big option. First year $5 mil guarantee with incentives up to $15 mil total and a team option for $15 mil for next yr. He was a top closer prior to TJS, so he'lol want the chance to make top closer money

 

Isn't there a limit on bonuses as a percentage of salary?

[Bellhorn04]

Isn't there a limit on bonuses as a percentage of salary?

 

I don't think so - not if the 'bonuses' are tied to something like appearances. Remember Napoli's deal in 2013 - it was $5 million base with an additional $8 million available for staying off the DL.

[Kimmi]

Also, when we play in NL parks, Beltran can play LF as we rest Beni, JBJ or Betts.

 

Signing EE means either him or HanRam sits in NL parks.

 

It's not a major issue, but could make a difference.

 

In and of itself, that is not a major issue, but if you couple that advantage with the difference in contract prices, Beltran makes more sense than Encarnacion.

[jacksonianmarch]

They can do whatever they want in terms of bonuses and options. I expect Holland to get a solid guarantee but a huge incentive. Nobody is going to give a post TJS pitcher big guaranteed money unless they've proven their health and effectiveness. While it is safer than shoulder surgery, it's by no means a sure thing

[moonslav59]

In and of itself, that is not a major issue, but if you couple that advantage with the difference in contract prices, Beltran makes more sense than Encarnacion.

 

..and the lefty-righty thing too.

[DirtDog7]

ESPN: Dombrowski says team may look internally or seek short-term contract player to replace David Ortiz

 

DD throwing up smoke screens??

[S5Dewey]

ESPN: Dombrowski says team may look internally or seek short-term contract player to replace David Ortiz

DD throwing up smoke screens??

 

If those are the only two options DD is considering it rules out both EE and Joey Batts as I don't see either of them taking a short-term contract.

[moonslav59]

If those are the only two options DD is considering it rules out both EE and Joey Batts as I don't see either of them taking a short-term contract.

 

Beltran or a HanRam-Young platoon (HanRam playing 1B vs LHPs)

[SoxHop]

If those are the only two options DD is considering it rules out both EE and Joey Batts as I don't see either of them taking a short-term contract.

 

Paying huge for a designated hitter can't be the right thing to do. This is where DD will earn his money. I really think we need a big bat in the lineup, but not some long and expensive contract.

 

Cherington nailed it in 2013. We need that.......

[cp176]

ESPN: Dombrowski says team may look internally or seek short-term contract player to replace David Ortiz

 

DD throwing up smoke screens??

 

I don't think he is throwing up smoke screens. His comments just seem to make sense. Beltran could be the target and it does make sense. I don't think that it is the money as much as it is the years that it would cost to sign EE.

[DirtDog7]

I don't think he is throwing up smoke screens. His comments just seem to make sense. Beltran could be the target and it does make sense. I don't think that it is the money as much as it is the years that it would cost to sign EE.

 

I interpret DD's comments as: "Bring in Beltran on a short-term deal & hope Panda has a comeback season." The offense went cold in October but we can't forgot how red-hot September was. David Ortiz will be missed as a leader more than anything. You can't buy his type of leadership and spending $125M on a DH/1B, considering what we already have in place, is pure insanity. We have plenty of hitters and the DH spot can be utilized to give our OF and Hanley a little more rest during the season. We can also play around with using the hot bat. It would be nice to see Shaw and Panda streaking at the same time during parts of the year.

 

Pitching is obviously the priority and rightfully so. I anticipate DD focusing on adding another starter and solidifying the bullpen. A Chris Sale trade is enticing but it may require too much reshuffling of the deck. We were a top contending playoff team last season and our Farm remains one of the best in baseball.

 

For the money, give me Beltran, Melancon, and Rich Hill. Only Melancon could command a 3-year deal but at 31 yrs old, it may be well worth it. Regardless, all three players have serious bargain potential in comparison to what Edwin, Jansen, and Chapman will receive.

[Spudboy]

Any love for Fernando Rodney?

 

He has a screwy year in 2016. But he still has his stuff, I think.

 

He is old. Maybe we can get him on a decent short deal.

 

DD is familiar with him.

Edited November 8, 2016 by Spudboy

[moonslav59]

I interpret DD's comments as: "Bring in Beltran on a short-term deal & hope Panda has a comeback season." The offense went cold in October but we can't forgot how red-hot September was. David Ortiz will be missed as a leader more than anything. You can't buy his type of leadership and spending $125M on a DH/1B, considering what we already have in place, is pure insanity. We have plenty of hitters and the DH spot can be utilized to give our OF and Hanley a little more rest during the season. We can also play around with using the hot bat. It would be nice to see Shaw and Panda streaking at the same time during parts of the year.

 

Pitching is obviously the priority and rightfully so. I anticipate DD focusing on adding another starter and solidifying the bullpen. A Chris Sale trade is enticing but it may require too much reshuffling of the deck. We were a top contending playoff team last season and our Farm remains one of the best in baseball.

 

For the money, give me Beltran, Melancon, and Rich Hill. Only Melancon could command a 3-year deal but at 31 yrs old, it may be well worth it. Regardless, all three players have serious bargain potential in comparison to what Edwin, Jansen, and Chapman will receive.

 

If we sign Beltran, it might make trading JBJ a little more possible. It might also allow Moncada to switch to LF by 2018 with Beni going to CF. That would free up Devers to win the 3B job by 2018.

 

Getting Beltran, Hill and Melancon would be a coup. We'd be over the luxury limit, but not by a whole lot, and maybe with Hill, we could trade Buch for another RP'er and/or a 3Bman. (Buch, Shaw and Dubon for Frazier & Robertson?)

[moonslav59]

Any love for Fernado Rodney?

 

I'd rather risk Koji.

[DirtDog7]

The Kendrys news is good to hear. Seems like an economic approach to backfilling the DH role is preferred by DD. Regarding the bullpen, I think something more dramatic is ahead. DD brought in Kimbrel but he was far from a sure thing. If we take anything from the postseason is the roles and expectations of late-inning relievers are changing. Its becoming the standard that "Set Up" and "Closer" are morphing into 1-2 guys in the bullpen that can secure 5-6 outs when the game is on the line. That said, I can't see Kimbrel as this guy. Don't necessary need to find an Andrew Miller now but its something to think about.

[moonslav59]

The Kendrys news is good to hear. Seems like an economic approach to backfilling the DH role is preferred by DD. Regarding the bullpen, I think something more dramatic is ahead. DD brought in Kimbrel but he was far from a sure thing. If we take anything from the postseason is the roles and expectations of late-inning relievers are changing. Its becoming the standard that "Set Up" and "Closer" are morphing into 1-2 guys in the bullpen that can secure 5-6 outs when the game is on the line. That said, I can't see Kimbrel as this guy. Don't necessary need to find an Andrew Miller now but its something to think about.

 

Like Beltran, KM is a switch hitter with pretty even splits, although Beltran is more even and consistent from both sides.

 

I'd try to get CB for 1 year, but if we have to go 2, I might prefer KM due to the age thing.

[sk7326]

I think Beltran for an Ortiz type deal (1 year, 1 option his, 1 option ours) works. Morales is not a bad second option. Again though, years are an issue.

[moonslav59]

I think Beltran for an Ortiz type deal (1 year, 1 option his, 1 option ours) works. Morales is not a bad second option. Again though, years are an issue.

 

Morales might take one year at a higher rate, in hopes that he has a better year and hits paydirt next winter. I wouldn't blame him for looking to security and going long.

[Kimmi]

Paying huge for a designated hitter can't be the right thing to do. This is where DD will earn his money. I really think we need a big bat in the lineup, but not some long and expensive contract.

 

Cherington nailed it in 2013. We need that.......

 

This post makes me happy.

[Kimmi]

The Kendrys news is good to hear. Seems like an economic approach to backfilling the DH role is preferred by DD. Regarding the bullpen, I think something more dramatic is ahead. DD brought in Kimbrel but he was far from a sure thing. If we take anything from the postseason is the roles and expectations of late-inning relievers are changing. Its becoming the standard that "Set Up" and "Closer" are morphing into 1-2 guys in the bullpen that can secure 5-6 outs when the game is on the line. That said, I can't see Kimbrel as this guy. Don't necessary need to find an Andrew Miller now but its something to think about.

 

Dombrowski has stated that he's looking for an 8th inning guy, and that being the case, he says that Chapman, Jansen, Melancon will likely be priced out of our range.

[Orange Juiced]

Beltran for a year makes a ton of sense, even if the money is big. Last 3 years (so I'm being conservative and adding in his bad 2014 season):

 

.271/.327/.468/.794, 114 ops+, 63 hr, 209 rbi

 

That's a nice solid, veteran LH bat for one year.

[DirtDog7]

Dombrowski has stated that he's looking for an 8th inning guy, and that being the case, he says that Chapman, Jansen, Melancon will likely be priced out of our range.

 

Holland was underwhelming in his showcase. Not sure where that 8th inning is...short of bringing Koji back.

[Kimmi]

Holland was underwhelming in his showcase. Not sure where that 8th inning is...short of bringing Koji back.

 

From what I've gathered today, it doesn't sound like either Ziegler or Koji will be coming back. Abad will return though. Personally, I'd bring Koji back if the price is right.

 

I wonder when Carson Smith will be ready. He could be our 8th inning guy, and a very good one at that.

[harmony]

From what I've gathered today, it doesn't sound like either Ziegler or Koji will be coming back. Abad will return though. Personally, I'd bring Koji back if the price is right.

 

I wonder when Carson Smith will be ready. He could be our 8th inning guy, and a very good one at that.

One report yesterday said the Red Sox are targeting a June 1 return for Carson Smith:

 

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/red-soxs-carson-smith-targeting-june-return/

[moonslav59]

In my opinion, we need 2 eight inning guys, and when Smith returns, we'll be deeper.

[Dojji]

'm kinda hoping Kelly can step into that role.

[a700hitter]

Gagging

[moonslav59]

'm kinda hoping Kelly can step into that role.

 

Could happen, but planning on it to happen is dangerous.

[Spudboy]

Gagging

 

Lol.

 

He has to be used somewhere.

 

Until Kelly demonstrates consistency it will be difficult to envision him in a defined role.

[SoxHop]

'm kinda hoping Kelly can step into that role.

 

I think Kelly could be valuable in the pen. He did well this year in the pen if you can forget the catastrophes.

 

If some coach works with Kelly and gives him a BP mindset and tells him he is going to go a couple of innings, I'll take it.