8/10 vs New York Yankees and the Gay-Rod retirement tour

[SoxHop]

I blame Blanton. As I wrote the other day, I thought it was part of the pitchers' fraternity rules that you don't do stuff like that to other pitchers.

 

The more I think about it......... that was a dickhead move.......

[moonslav59]

Just got done watching the game on delay.

 

I haven't read much written here, but another sad ending after a good start. Pomeranz finally looked alright.

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Abad is looking like a bad move, and I'm being kind.

 

I wondered why Buch only went 2/3rds.

 

I was on the dump Farrell bandwagon last year, and I'm usually the last to call for a manager's firing, but this is getting too obvious to overlook.

[Oscars]

With loaded bases in the 5th with none out , notorious rally killer Hanley failed yet again. The game could have put out of reach but as has been the case recently they couldn't score a run..

[moonslav59]

With loaded bases in the 5th with none out , notorious rally killer Hanley failed yet again. The game could have put out of reach but as has been the case recently they couldn't score a run..

 

I'm not defending HanRam, but a lot of players had chances to knock in multiple runs.

 

[Oscars]

Hanleys hitting .136 in his last 7 games, and .192 in his last 15 games.

He's killing us hitting behind Papi as they can walk Papi

[mvp 78]

Farrell was outmanaged by Girardi last night. Sad.

[illinoisredsox]

Team definitely needs a kick in the ass but to be fair, Girardi benefitted greatly by having his players actually do their jobs. Funny how good a manager can look when that happens.

 

Penwise, the only really questionable move was taking Buch out so quickly but Barnes has been good lately so it wasn't ridiculous. Abad sucked but Ross was worse. Tazawa looks shot. And let's not forget Kimbrel blew goat chunks Tuesday night. I'm not sure how a manager (any manager) overcomes that.

[Bellhorn04]

Just got done watching the game on delay.

 

I haven't read much written here, but another sad ending after a good start. Pomeranz finally looked alright.

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Abad is looking like a bad move, and I'm being kind.

 

I wondered why Buch only went 2/3rds.

I was on the dump Farrell bandwagon last year, and I'm usually the last to call for a manager's firing, but this is getting too obvious to overlook.

 

That's because Buch is the starting pitcher Saturday because of Wright's injury.

[Bellhorn04]

Team definitely needs a kick in the ass but to be fair, Girardi benefitted greatly by having his players actually do their jobs. Funny how good a manager can look when that happens.

 

Penwise, the only really questionable move was taking Buch out so quickly but Barnes has been good lately so it wasn't ridiculous. Abad sucked but Ross was worse. Tazawa looks shot. And let's not forget Kimbrel blew goat chunks Tuesday night. I'm not sure how a manager (any manager) overcomes that.

 

No manager can overcome a pigpen, it's true.

[bosoxmal]

Wed to Sat is a long time. Buch needs a kick in the ass, not babying.

[Spudboy]

He was going by the scoreboard count. He has no idea what is going on. His pants were managed off innings ago. He is sitting there with no pants on and confused like a baby with a lump in his diaper.

 

 

Must smell good in the dugout.

[d-money]

Baltimore loses again. This team will have to do their damage against baltimore and toronto. They still have 7 games with the yankees after tonight. They better not lose tonight.

[Slasher9]

Pom only going 5+ innings is what killed us. JF's moves after his starter couldn't get more than 15 outs were not being "out managed". he brought in the guy in the 6th to get out of that inning. he started the 7th with a guy that has been very very solid lately. he stunk. everyone else he brought in to try and put the fire out stunk. you guys can blame the L on JF if you want. i blame it on Pom and everyone else that pitched last night not named Clay.

[Spudboy]

This is what a .500 ( or about ) looks like.

 

Giradi made Farrell his bitch.

 

Benitendi is a plus bunter but did not show it last night.

 

I would have had Buch go 2-3 innings and worry about Saturday on Thursday. What a f***ing dumb-ass move. Win now , *******. I think Owens could start Saturday. It is now being said that Owens looks good again. Maybe he has learned a third pitch and has lowered his BB/9 by half?

 

Hanley should sit for a few days to heal that wrist. He is doing s*** at the plate, anyways.

 

Pom Pom did not look like a bum for once last night. But can he learn to be more efficient? He threw 24-25 pitches in the first. That just tells everyone that unless I get a couple of 1-2-3 innings I am leaving the game early again. He is better that Kelly, though!!!!

Edited August 11, 2016 by Spudboy

[illinoisredsox]

Baltimore loses again. This team will have to do their damage against baltimore and toronto. They still have 7 games with the yankees after tonight. They better not lose tonight.

 

It's a distinct possibility. Pineda can be very good, and the Sox line-up figures to be further depleted with almost certainly no Mookie and likely no Ortiz.

[a700hitter]

Farrell did the right thing in removing Pomeranz after putting on 2 base runners in the 6th, but replacing Buch after 3 pitches was beyond stupid. If Buch pitches a clean 7th, we get to hand Taz the ball with a 4-1 lead to start the 8th. Farrell has no game sense. He either leaves pitchers in until they are overcooked and the game is almost gone or he is making changes ridiculously fast.

[illinoisredsox]

Farrell did the right thing in removing Pomeranz after putting on 2 base runners in the 6th, but replacing Buch after 3 pitches was beyond stupid. If Buch pitches a clean 7th, we get to hand Taz the ball with a 4-1 lead to start the 8th. Farrell has no game sense. He either leaves pitchers in until they are overcooked and the game is almost gone or he is making changes ridiculously fast.

 

Of course, that assumes Buchholz wouldn't have imploded as well (he only faced 1 guy). Abad looked good for 1 hitter (struck Gardner out).

 

Barnes has been very good the last 4 times out; I could have seen leaving Buchholz in but I can make a case for using Barnes there as well.

[Slasher9]

so i guess we should expect all the SP to pitch 2 innings of relief during their throw days?

 

it's super humid in Jersey today. i blame Farrell....

[Jasonbay44]

I blame Farrell for having to remove Buchholz, not because he removed him because he's starting on Saturday so he didn't throw a lot of pitches, but due to the fact Farrell thought it would be a great idea to have our best starting pitcher pinch run in a close game. Wright literally had literally ZERO experience running the bases in his MLB career and based on what Wright said, he wasn't going to score on anything less than a double..

 

That’s why I more like dove and jumped back to the bag versus slide because it caught me off-guard because I didn’t think my lead was that big and I panicked,” said Wright. “My initial reaction was ‘don’t get picked off’ — that’s the last thing I wanted to do. If the ball’s hit hard, I wasn’t going to try to score like other hitters would on a single, I wanted to make sure I had a good enough secondary lead where if it’s a double I could score.

 

So, can someone explain to me why you would pinch run your best pitcher, who apparently is slow, has no experience, and the pitcher himself admitted he didn't think he could score from 2nd on a single with 2 outs where he should be running on contact.

[Bellhorn04]

I blame Farrell for having to remove Buchholz, not because he removed him because he's starting on Saturday so he didn't throw a lot of pitches, but due to the fact Farrell thought it would be a great idea to have our best starting pitcher pinch run in a close game. Wright literally had literally ZERO experience running the bases in his MLB career and based on what Wright said, he wasn't going to score on anything less than a double..

 

 

 

So, can someone explain to me why you would pinch run your best pitcher, who apparently is slow, has no experience, and the pitcher himself admitted he didn't think he could score from 2nd on a single with 2 outs where he should be running on contact.

 

Yeah, that's the exact question I posed in the Pitching Staff thread.

[Maxbialystock]

Farrell did the right thing in removing Pomeranz after putting on 2 base runners in the 6th, but replacing Buch after 3 pitches was beyond stupid. If Buch pitches a clean 7th, we get to hand Taz the ball with a 4-1 lead to start the 8th. Farrell has no game sense. He either leaves pitchers in until they are overcooked and the game is almost gone or he is making changes ridiculously fast.

 

Please reread what you wrote. First you said Farrell did the right thing when he brought Buchholz into the game, then that he is "beyond stupid" and "has no game sense." Both can't be true. As illinoisox points out, you are also assuming that, once Buchholz pitched through the 7th, the bullpen would have somehow transformed itself into something reliable when in fact we know that they are in complete disarray. We just saw Kimbrel--you know, the $9M closer--implode in the worst possible fashion. Ziegler has problems when hitters ignore his unusual delivery and just focus on the ball and hit it. Barnes, Abad, Ross, et al actually pitched last night and were terrible. At some point I think you have to admit that the players have some responsibility for the outcome of games. Speaking of which, the lineup also stank. Early on they twice had the bases loaded with one man out and only brought in one run each time. Then they started an inning with men on 2d and 3d and no one out with the top of the order coming up. Pedroia drove in one, but only one more scored.

 

I am fine with blaming Farrell for overall wins and losses. I am not saying his job his by any means secure. But I am saying that your rhetoric about Farrell being beyond stupid and having no game sense is not defensible.

 

My version is that he brought Buchholz, our long reliever, in to get the Sox into the 7th inning when the regulars would take over. I would even agree that Buchholz could have stayed in to the end of the game because he's gone over 3 before and done well. Of course, that would then make starting on Saturday problematical.

[mvp 78]

Pom only going 5+ innings is what killed us. JF's moves after his starter couldn't get more than 15 outs were not being "out managed". he brought in the guy in the 6th to get out of that inning. he started the 7th with a guy that has been very very solid lately. he stunk. everyone else he brought in to try and put the fire out stunk. you guys can blame the L on JF if you want. i blame it on Pom and everyone else that pitched last night not named Clay.

 

Girardi had his guy drop out after less than 2 innings. His hands were tied more than Farrell's and yet he figured out his bullpen. Farrell just sat around waiting for someone else to do something, the exact opposite that Girardi did all night long.

[Maxbialystock]

I blame Farrell for having to remove Buchholz, not because he removed him because he's starting on Saturday so he didn't throw a lot of pitches, but due to the fact Farrell thought it would be a great idea to have our best starting pitcher pinch run in a close game. Wright literally had literally ZERO experience running the bases in his MLB career and based on what Wright said, he wasn't going to score on anything less than a double..

 

 

 

So, can someone explain to me why you would pinch run your best pitcher, who apparently is slow, has no experience, and the pitcher himself admitted he didn't think he could score from 2nd on a single with 2 outs where he should be running on contact.

 

Meh. You make running the bases sound like a decathlon or something. it's just running the bases, something all of us have done. When I was Wright's age I did it all the time with little or no risk to my health. I also played full court basketball. Heck, I did both when I was 10 years older than Wright. It sure sounds as those the DH is turning AL pitchers into a bunch of wimps.

[mvp 78]

He brought in Taz right after the game was tied. Why not before? What was he waiting on?

[mvp 78]

Meh. You make running the bases sound like a decathlon or something. it's just running the bases, something all of us have done. When I was Wright's age I did it all the time with little or no risk to my health. I also played full court basketball. Heck, I did both when I was 10 years older than Wright. It sure sounds as those the DH is turning AL pitchers into a bunch of wimps.

 

It's an unnecessary risk. You can say that you ran the bases all the time, but clearly Wright has not.

[mvp 78]

#neverblameFarrell

[Slasher9]

He brought in Taz right after the game was tied. Why not before? What was he waiting on?

 

because clearly Taz was the answer to putting out the fire last night. of course.

[Slasher9]

It's an unnecessary risk. You can say that you ran the bases all the time, but clearly Wright has not.

 

if he's not willing to help the team and run the bases then he can go pound sand. how many times has Ortiz picked him up? or the Red Sox up? Wright can't do it one god d@mn time and pinchrun for him? eff him then. he can go get bent.

[Spudboy]

if he's not willing to help the team and run the bases then he can go pound sand. how many times has Ortiz picked him up? or the Red Sox up? Wright can't do it one god d@mn time and pinchrun for him? eff him then. he can go get bent.

 

I have not heard that expression in many years! Good stuff.

[Slasher9]

I have not heard that expression in many years! Good stuff.

 

btw spud. about 2 months ago you said this was a .500 team in your opinion the rest of the way out. man that looks like a pretty good call right now. damn you! i blame you!