Buccholz from the Bullpen

[illinoisredsox]

I do cut Price some slack on his last start due to the wind and dust. I doubt Wright would have done any better.

 

Buchholz is a fly ball pitcher, just the wrong game to have brought him in on.

 

Wright would have been lucky a pitch didn't blow into the 3rd base seats.

[Slasher9]

i'm not ticked off about anything. You guys clearly know nothing about me.

 

all the reasons that made clay's option a no brainer last year are true this year. if they picked it up last year, they'll pick it up this year too, imo. I disagree with their logic, but they'll do it.

here are the stats from 2015 and the stats from 2016. Please show/explain to me the same reasons....

2015:

113 ip / 3.26 era / 107 k / 23 bb / 1.209 whip / 4.65 k-w

2016:

82.2 ip / 6.10 era / 55 k / 37 bb / 1.500 whip / 1.49 k-w

[mvp 78]

here are the stats from 2015 and the stats from 2016. Please show/explain to me the same reasons....

2015:

113 ip / 3.26 era / 107 k / 23 bb / 1.209 whip / 4.65 k-w

2016:

82.2 ip / 6.10 era / 55 k / 37 bb / 1.500 whip / 1.49 k-w

 

1. $13M is a good value for a veteran starter

2. With Buchholz, you either get a crappy year or a great half year. It looks like 2017 we'll be in line for a great half year (2013 great, 2014 poo, 2015 really good, 2016 poo, 2017 amazingness).

3. You can sign him and move him in a trade if you'd like.

 

New for this year:

4. The FA market stinks.

[a700hitter]

It is pretty obvious that Buch does not have the same stuff after his 2015 injury. The difference in his stat line is stark. He didn't return to the mound in 2015 after his injury, so the Red Sox should not have assumed that he would return to his pre-injury form. That among many other reasons is why his option was not a no-brainer, unless the plan was to pick up the option and trade him.

[Bellhorn04]

It is pretty obvious that Buch does not have the same stuff after his 2015 injury. The difference in his stat line is stark. He didn't return to the mound in 2015 after his injury, so the Red Sox should not have assumed that he would return to his pre-injury form.

 

No doubt the Sox FO was given the all-clear on Buch's health by our crack medical staff.

[mvp 78]

Over the last 4 seasons, Buch's earned an average value of $13.4M according to the Fangraphs Tribune.

 

2016 is a lost year. There's a good chance he'll have a very productive season next year.

[Dojji]

1. $13M is a good value for a veteran starter

 

Depends on the veteran starter. Sean O'Sullivan is a veteran starter, you wouldn't pay $13M for him.

 

2. With Buchholz, you either get a crappy year or a great half year. It looks like 2017 we'll be in line for a great half year (2013 great, 2014 poo, 2015 really good, 2016 poo, 2017 amazingness).

 

I think there's like 6 individual logical fallacies in this statement alone.

 

3. You can sign him and move him in a trade if you'd like.

Because the market for a pitcher with a 6 ERA and a $13m price tag, and about whom the only consistent trait is his inconsistency, must be absolutely sky high.

 

New for this year:

4. The FA market stinks.

 

That doesn't mean we can pretend that our garbage is gold.

[Dojji]

Over the last 4 seasons, Buch's earned an average value of $13.4M according to the Fangraphs Tribune.

 

2016 is a lost year. There's a good chance he'll have a very productive season next year.

 

The chance is exactly as good as it was this year.

[mvp 78]

Depends on the veteran starter. Sean O'Sullivan is a veteran starter, you wouldn't pay $13M for him.

 

O'Sullivan's career WAR is -2.3. He's a veteran AAAA starter.

 

I think there's like 6 individual logical fallacies in this statement alone.

 

There really weren't.

 

Because the market for a pitcher with a 6 ERA and a $13m price tag, and about whom the only consistent trait is his inconsistency, must be absolutely sky high.

 

No one said the market for Buchholz was sky high, just that he is an asset that has value.

 

That doesn't mean we can pretend that our garbage is gold.

 

He's a perfectly adequate starter with a reasonable contract (only $13M!).

[Bellhorn04]

Over the last 4 seasons, Buch's earned an average value of $13.4M according to the Fangraphs Tribune.

 

2016 is a lost year. There's a good chance he'll have a very productive season next year.

 

Buch has been bumped out of the rotation, they traded for a guy to replace him, he's hardly pitched in July. I highly doubt he's in their plans for next year.

 

Sig bet on them exercising the option or not?

[mvp 78]

Buch has been bumped out of the rotation, they traded for a guy to replace him, he's hardly pitched in July. I highly doubt he's in their plans for next year.

 

Sig bet on them exercising the option or not?

 

Sure! Put me in for one month.

 

However, if he is gone before the end of the season (DFA'd or whatever), the bet is null and void.

[illinoisredsox]

Sure! Put me in for one month.

 

However, if he is gone before the end of the season (DFA'd or whatever), the bet is null and void.

 

Why the caveat? Since your so convinced that the option will be picked up, have the courage of your convictions.

[mvp 78]

Why the caveat? Since your so convinced that the option will be picked up, have the courage of your convictions.

 

Because if he's traded or let go, they can't pick up the option.

 

The bet wasn't "will Buchholz be here in 2017 or not?"

 

There's a difference there.

[illinoisredsox]

Because if he's traded or let go, they can't pick up the option.

 

The bet wasn't "will Buchholz be here in 2017 or not?"

 

There's a difference there.

 

The cavata on the trade is reasonable; they may have decided to pick up the option but gotten a decent enough deal to forgo that.

 

However, it stands to reason that if they release him, they have/had no intention of picking up the option. It shouldn't matter if that is an hour from now or on the day after the World Series ends. That part of the caveat is buffalo bagels.

[mvp 78]

The cavata on the trade is reasonable; they may have decided to pick up the option but gotten a decent enough deal to forgo that.

 

However, it stands to reason that if they release him, they have/had no intention of picking up the option. It shouldn't matter if that is an hour from now or on the day after the World Series ends. That part of the caveat is buffalo bagels.

 

I want them to DFA Buchholz. I don't want him here. All I have said was that if he's on the roster at the end of the season, that they'll pick up his option. If Bell wants to refute that with a sig bet, that's fine with me.

[Slasher9]

I want them to DFA Buchholz. I don't want him here. All I have said was that if he's on the roster at the end of the season, that they'll pick up his option. If Bell wants to refute that with a sig bet, that's fine with me.

 

im confused. werent you just saying that picking up the option for 2017 is a no-brainer? now you are saying DFA?

confused.

[Bellhorn04]

I want them to DFA Buchholz. I don't want him here. All I have said was that if he's on the roster at the end of the season, that they'll pick up his option. If Bell wants to refute that with a sig bet, that's fine with me.

 

I accept the bet with the caveat.

[mvp 78]

im confused. werent you just saying that picking up the option for 2017 is a no-brainer? now you are saying DFA?

confused.

 

If he's on the roster on 11/1/16, they'll pick up his option. That's all I've ever said. I have never ever ever stated that he would not be traded or DFA'd this season.

[mvp 78]

I accept the bet with the caveat.

 

^ a true gentleman

[Slasher9]

If he's on the roster on 11/1/16, they'll pick up his option. That's all I've ever said. I have never ever ever stated that he would not be traded or DFA'd this season.

 

i guess i just dont understand how you can believe that picking up his option is a no-brainer and also want to DFA him. they seem like complete opposite choices to me. am i misreading what you are saying?

[mvp 78]

i guess i just dont understand how you can believe that picking up his option is a no-brainer and also want to DFA him. they seem like complete opposite choices to me. am i misreading what you are saying?

 

I'm saying that it's a no brainer that this Sox regime to pick up the option. If they called me in and said "make the offseason moves for us mvp 78," I wouldn't pick up the option. I'm saying the Sox will pick it up for all the dumb reasons they picked it up last year.