Referendum on John Farrell

[mvp 78]

You mean waive Buch, right?

 

He's going to pitch out of the bullpen for the rest of the season and will have his option picked up in November.

[mvp 78]

Badly constructed bullpen. Buchholz has yet to done anything as a reliever, he appears sporadically, mostly when the team is well behind. Him getting yet another start is blasphemy at this point. But whatever.

 

Then you have 2 LOOGY that are constantly up and down. Abad has to find a train that exit Boston by nightfall.

 

7 Earned Runs in 20 innings out of the bullpen for a nice 3.15 ERA.

[a700hitter]

He's going to pitch out of the bullpen for the rest of the season and will have his option picked up in November.

That is a no-brainer.

[Bellhorn04]

He's going to pitch out of the bullpen for the rest of the season and will have his option picked up in November.

 

I can't wait to see what my sig line is.

[sk7326]

You mean waive Buch, right?

 

Quite the opposite (see Tim Lincecum 2012) - they need to look at him for multiple inning bridge work. Now he would not have stopped the bloodletting on Wednesday from the guys behind him ... BUT I think in that situation, you let Clay get you through the 7th as well.

[mvp 78]

I can't wait to see what my sig line is.

 

The entire script to Strange Brew.

[harmony]

ESPN blogger Scott Lauber on John Farrell and the Red Sox:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/50485/blame-the-players-not-the-manager-for-red-soxs-latest-implosion

[mvp 78]

ESPN blogger Scott Lauber on John Farrell and the Red Sox:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/50485/blame-the-players-not-the-manager-for-red-soxs-latest-implosion

 

file under: #can'tblamemanagerforwinsandlosses

[greenwell]

file under: #can'tblamemanagerforwinsandlosses

 

You must have misread the article. It's more can't blame the manager for every loss. Seems reasonable to me.

[a700hitter]

You must have misread the article. It's more can't blame the manager for every loss. Seems reasonable to me.

And we don't blame the managers for every loss. I really don't blame him for any losses, because I can't be certain how the alternative would turn out. I do blame him for making many moves that have a low probability of success in game situations. I am pretty sure that his buffoonery has cost the team some games, but I don't blame him for every loss.

[Station 13]

One of my biggest issues with Farrell is pulling pitchers at the wrong time. Last night, the battered bullpen could use another inning out of E-Rod, who was cruising with just 93 pitches. Ziegler was due to face a lot of lefties and he has a huge split. Then there is just the opposite, he would leave a starter in too long. Buchholz is their long man, he has only TWICE pitch over 1 inning as a reliever. That's right, the long man is the forgotten one. There's been many starters struggles in the time Buchholz was in the bullpen, Wright, Price and Pomaranz.

Just the other night, Pom-Pom only go 5.1 IP, you need innings out of the long man. Win the f***ing game that night. Who cares if Clay is the Saturday starter. You could call somebody up to pitch against the hapless Dbacks in his place.

[greenwell]

One of my biggest issues with Farrell is pulling pitchers at the wrong time. Last night, the battered bullpen could use another inning out of E-Rod, who was cruising with just 93 pitches. Ziegler was due to face a lot of lefties and he has a huge split. Then there is just the opposite, he would leave a starter in too long. Buchholz is their long man, he has only TWICE pitch over 1 inning as a reliever. That's right, the long man is the forgotten one. There's been many starters struggles in the time Buchholz was in the bullpen, Wright, Price and Pomaranz.

Just the other night, Pom-Pom only go 5.1 IP, you need innings out of the long man. Win the f***ing game that night. Who cares if Clay is the Saturday starter. You could call somebody up to pitch against the hapless Dbacks in his place.

 

That's always the easiest complaint to make after the fact isn't it? If the bullpen gives up runs, they took the starter out too early, if the starter gives up runs he stayed in too long. Take last night for example. So far this year E-Rod has thrown more than 93 pitches 6 times. In 5 of those games he gave up at least 1 run in his last inning. In 4 of the games he didn't make it through the last inning. It was a 1 run game, taking him out was the right choice.

[mvp 78]

One of my biggest issues with Farrell is pulling pitchers at the wrong time. Last night, the battered bullpen could use another inning out of E-Rod, who was cruising with just 93 pitches. Ziegler was due to face a lot of lefties and he has a huge split. Then there is just the opposite, he would leave a starter in too long. Buchholz is their long man, he has only TWICE pitch over 1 inning as a reliever. That's right, the long man is the forgotten one. There's been many starters struggles in the time Buchholz was in the bullpen, Wright, Price and Pomaranz.

Just the other night, Pom-Pom only go 5.1 IP, you need innings out of the long man. Win the f***ing game that night. Who cares if Clay is the Saturday starter. You could call somebody up to pitch against the hapless Dbacks in his place.

 

PFFFFT, this is just 20/20 hindsight! Players play! It's not Farrell's fault! Maybe if these dopes weren't so soft we'd be in first place!

[Station 13]

That's always the easiest complaint to make after the fact isn't it? If the bullpen gives up runs, they took the starter out too early, if the starter gives up runs he stayed in too long. Take last night for example. So far this year E-Rod has thrown more than 93 pitches 6 times. In 5 of those games he gave up at least 1 run in his last inning. In 4 of the games he didn't make it through the last inning. It was a 1 run game, taking him out was the right choice.

 

With the bullpen as is, getting another inning out from the starter who was at 93 pitches would be obvious. E-Rod should stay in. His other 5 games is quite meaningless. At worst he would leave the game tied.

[Slasher9]

PFFFFT, this is just 20/20 hindsight! Players play! It's not Farrell's fault! Maybe if these dopes weren't so soft we'd be in first place!

 

which manager would have us in first place? who's managing philosophy do you agree with / have zero complaints with?

[S5Dewey]

Just the other night, Pom-Pom only go 5.1 IP, you need innings out of the long man. Win the f***ing game that night. Who cares if Clay is the Saturday starter. You could call somebody up to pitch against the hapless Dbacks in his place.

 

You don't save a pitcher for tomorrow. It might rain tomorrow. - Leo Durocher

 

And speaking of Durocher, here's another one that's particularly appropos to this thread:

 

"If you don't win you're going to get fired. If you do win you're only putting off the day when you're going to get fired."

 

Sometimes I think these old guys were onto something, ya know?

[greenwell]

With the bullpen as is, getting another inning out from the starter who was at 93 pitches would be obvious. E-Rod should stay in. His other 5 games is quite meaningless. At worst he would leave the game tied.

 

Most managers would have done the same thing. Farrell would have been lit up if he left E-Rod in and he gave up a run. Hindsight is great isn't it.

[Maxbialystock]

Most managers would have done the same thing. Farrell would have been lit up if he left E-Rod in and he gave up a run. Hindsight is great isn't it.

 

Actually, he did get lit up. Didn't the "ace" Price go 7 great innings the other night and then get hammered in the 8th, after which this board lit up with people saying that only dumb manager like Farrell would have brought out Price to pitch the 8th even though he had only thrown 89 pitches.

 

Hindsight is the key half the comments on talksox. After the fact, we are all so sure of what Farrell should have done.

 

I say again, however, that I honestly think right now John Farrell is vulnerable (to being fired) and should be. You can't fire the team.

[mvp 78]

which manager would have us in first place? who's managing philosophy do you agree with / have zero complaints with?

 

Francona is my favorite coach of all time. He's the one that go away.

 

How I'd rank the Sox managers since 1990:

Tito

Williams

Little

Kennedy

Morgan

Farrell

Valentine

Hobson

Kerrigan

[mvp 78]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/02/13/ranking-major-league-managers/2uMbIsDuIuhvMIEGTmniNI/story.html

 

Cafardo ranked Farrell as the 14th best manager (4th in this division) at the beginning of this season. Wonder where he'd put him now?

[Wade Boggs]

Most managers would have done the same thing. Farrell would have been lit up if he left E-Rod in and he gave up a run. Hindsight is great isn't it.

 

I would not call it hindsight. Farrell went with his gut to bring in Z to face 4 lefties, when lefties hit him better than righties. Plus didn't Kimbrel (Knee) have a tough time closing the other night and was lifted for Barnes. I would have stayed away from using Kimbrel, only would have used Z depending on matchups the rest of the way. Most for the 9th. When your bullpen is suspect you want to stretch out the starters as much as you can.

[mvp 78]

I would not call it hindsight. Farrell went with his gut to bring in Z to face 4 lefties, when lefties hit him better than righties. Plus didn't Kimbrel (Knee) have a tough time closing the other night and was lifted for Barnes. I would have stayed away from using Kimbrel, only would have used Z depending on matchups the rest of the way. Most for the 9th. When your bullpen is suspect you want to stretch out the starters as much as you can.

 

It's hindsight that Farrell would have known 4 lefties were coming up. He didn't realize it until Guerin Austin turned around. It's not fair to expect him to pay attention to the game.

 

Anyway, it's not his fault. It's the players' fault.

[Wade Boggs]

It's hindsight that Farrell would have known 4 lefties were coming up. He didn't realize it until Guerin Austin turned around. It's not fair to expect him to pay attention to the game.

 

Anyway, it's not his fault. It's the players' fault.

 

I get it. What about not knowing the count, the other night and sending Bradley to run on 3-2 when it was 2-2, and the umps corrected it.

[a700hitter]

I get it. What about not knowing the count, the other night and sending Bradley to run on 3-2 when it was 2-2, and the umps corrected it.

You want him to keep track of the count on the batter too. We are lucky if he knows the inning.

[greenwell]

I get it. What about not knowing the count, the other night and sending Bradley to run on 3-2 when it was 2-2, and the umps corrected it.

 

I would be surprised if that was on him. It's probably on the players/first base coach to make sure they are running 3-2 with 2 outs.

[a700hitter]

I would be surprised if that was on him. It's probably on the players/first base coach to make sure they are running 3-2 with 2 outs.

Did he question what tge count was after they ran on 2-2?

[greenwell]

Did he question what tge count was after they ran on 2-2?

 

Good point, but neither did the first base coach.

[a700hitter]

Good point, but neither did the first base coach.

But if Farrell thought the count was 2-2, he should have questioned it. The fact that neither the runner, first base coach, nor the manager questioned the count meant that none of them knew.

[a700hitter]

And they should at least be awake.

[User Name]

Actually, he did get lit up. Didn't the "ace" Price go 7 great innings the other night and then get hammered in the 8th, after which this board lit up with people saying that only dumb manager like Farrell would have brought out Price to pitch the 8th even though he had only thrown 89 pitches.

 

Hindsight is the key half the comments on talksox. After the fact, we are all so sure of what Farrell should have done.

 

I say again, however, that I honestly think right now John Farrell is vulnerable (to being fired) and should be. You can't fire the team.

 

^This is actually a very good point I must admit, hence my lack of complaints. Better early than late is my motto.