Referendum on John Farrell

[greenwell]

It looks like they didn't find his spots though and just threw him out there willy nilly.

 

How is it willy nilly? He consistently has been coming in at most 2 days in a row with a couple of days rest when he does throw two in a row. Usually in games the redsox win by 4 or less, or at least had a lead of 4 or less when he came in.

[Kimmi]

Was Koji the only guy in the bullpen or were other arms underused? Was was Ross wasting away on the bench in June?

 

There are many other considerations to take into account besides just looking at how many innings each reliever has pitched. I don't think anyone is going to be happy with Farrell's decision to bring a lesser reliever into a one run game if Koji is available, just because the lesser reliever has pitched fewer innings.

 

You might not feel the need for Koji or Kimbrel to pitch with a 4 run lead, but IMO, it is certainly a reasonable decision, and at times, it is the choice that really should be made.

[Kimmi]

Barnes is younger and was just a starter a little over a year ago so im guessing the Ip for him may be slightly different than a 41yo. Or even Taz. Farrell overworks some of his guys. He uses tham a lot when he doesnt need to.

 

The 'Barnes is younger' argument works fine until Barnes gets injured due to overuse.

[Kimmi]

I'll just repeat myself on one point. I think it's totally appropriate to use your closer in a 4 run game, especially in Fenway.

 

Absolutely. And if I'm not mistaken, the heart of the order was due up. Add to this that Koji doesn't do as well coming into the middle of an inning, there was nothing at all wrong with Farrell's decision.

[Kimmi]

Funny how Koji looked probably the best he's looked all year in his 3 previous appearances before this. Did anybody notice any issues when he closed the 2 wins against the Yanks on 21 total pitches?

 

Crickets.

[mvp 78]

Crickets.

 

Funny how his point doesn't repute ANYTHING I've said.

[mvp 78]

How is it willy nilly? He consistently has been coming in at most 2 days in a row with a couple of days rest when he does throw two in a row. Usually in games the redsox win by 4 or less, or at least had a lead of 4 or less when he came in.

 

MOST APPEARANCES BY A SOX PITCHER.

 

Oye.

[Bellhorn04]

MOST APPEARANCES BY A SOX PITCHER.

 

Oye.

 

Tazawa hasn't pitched since July 3. On July 3 Tazawa had 35 appearances and Koji had 33.

 

You do tend to pass guys who are on the DL.

[illinoisredsox]

Tazawa hasn't pitched since July 3. On July 3 Tazawa had 35 appearances and Koji had 33.

 

You do tend to pass guys who are on the DL.

 

Not to mention that Junichi has warmed up multiple times and not come in to pitch in the game. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but seldom if at all has Koji done this.

Edited July 22, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[greenwell]

MOST APPEARANCES BY A SOX PITCHER.

 

Oye.

 

Just because it's most appearances by a red sox pitcher doesn't mean it's a lot.

My opinion is that if he's not an elite pitcher and cannot handle two innings a week then he's not worth a roster spot. Some people clearly disagree.

[illinoisredsox]

Funny how his point doesn't repute ANYTHING I've said.

 

Since your mind is made up anyway, I doubt there's anything anyone could say that , in your opinion, would refute anything you said on this subject.

Edited July 22, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[mvp 78]

What does looking good and overuse have to do with each other?

[SoxnCycles]

May as well leave him on the DL.

He's overused and done.

[Kimmi]

What does looking good and overuse have to do with each other?

 

The point is that after the break, he was showing no signs of overuse, fatigue, or breaking down.

[SoxnCycles]

The 'Barnes is younger' argument works fine until Barnes gets injured due to overuse.

 

That only happens to old pitchers.

[a700hitter]

I thought this was settled days ago. Koji's injury had nothing to do with pitching. It happened during breakfast eating cereal.

[mvp 78]

The point is that after the break, he was showing no signs of overuse, fatigue, or breaking down.

 

The signs are in his game log. Stats > Eyeball Test

[Bellhorn04]

The signs are in his game log. Stats > Eyeball Test

 

But you don't pay any actual attention to either on this issue.

[Kimmi]

The signs are in his game log. Stats > Eyeball Test

 

Exactly what signs are in his stats after the break that showed that Koji was breaking down?

[mvp 78]

exactly what signs are in his stats after the break that showed that koji was breaking down?

 

dob, ip

[Kimmi]

dob, ip

 

I suppose that pitchers always look really good right before they break down?

 

I have never said that Koji hasn't been overused. Just that I had no problem with Farrell using him in that particular game in which he got injured, and that much of Farrell's use of Koji could not be helped.

 

I think you are off base in blaming Farrell for Koji's injury.

[mvp 78]

No matter how good he looked, his body was a ticking timebomb due to age and overuse.

[Bellhorn04]

No matter how good he looked, his body was a ticking timebomb due to age and overuse.

 

So we probably got as much as we could out of him. Now he has some time off and we have someone in his place who isn't an injury waiting to happen. Hopefully we get Koji back for a little more use later.

[oldtimer]

Farrell might be questioned tonight for his use of the bullpen. After Price put up another weak showing for an ace, Buchholz was brought in and was ineffective, followed by Layne who was also ineffective and gave up the run to tie things up. Must be disheartening to the club to see a lead evaporate like that.

[illinoisredsox]

Farrell might be questioned tonight for his use of the bullpen. After Price put up another weak showing for an ace, Buchholz was brought in and was ineffective, followed by Layne who was also ineffective and gave up the run to tie things up. Must be disheartening to the club to see a lead evaporate like that.

 

Are you actually watching the game? He gave up one legit hit, a hard hit fly ball to right that should have been caught for the 3rd out and a bloop to left that could have been caught for the 3rd out. The Sox make either play and he gave up no runs.

 

He's been awful overall this year but this was hardly a bad outing.

 

Layne gave up a ground ball single and an infield hit.

 

Let's not pretend either was giving up rockets all over the yard.

 

Tell us what you would have done instead (with the results guaranteed).

Edited July 24, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[Maxbialystock]

Farrell might be questioned tonight for his use of the bullpen. After Price put up another weak showing for an ace, Buchholz was brought in and was ineffective, followed by Layne who was also ineffective and gave up the run to tie things up. Must be disheartening to the club to see a lead evaporate like that.

 

He had to use 4 pitchers last night to finish up the final 3.2 innings, and tonight he's already had to use 3 relievers after 7 innings. If Buchholz is available, he has to be used. Ditto Layne who gave up 1 walk and 2 hits and 2 runs without getting anyone out. Meanwhile guys like mvp78 are saying he overuses Uehara, which translates to restricting him to maybe once a week even though he is being paid $9M apparently to sit and watch games.

[mvp 78]

Should have let Buch go longer than use every arm in the pen. He sucks at managing workload.

 

Bye Farrellicia!

[Spudboy]

No matter how good he looked, his body was a ticking timebomb due to age and overuse.

 

I just keep getting back to what Jacko said. His Pec was responsible for halting the throwing motion.

 

Watching Koji throw it look like many if not most of his pitches are max effort. Pretty violent for a guy with a slight build. Maybe the use of that muscle just maxed out and said "f*** it. I ain't doin' this no more".

 

It was just time for it to happen. Yes, it could have happened in his next outing weather closing or not. Or, it could have happened at anytime afterwards.

[oldtimer]

I was watching it on the computer play by play and didn't see the terrible fielding going on or the bad luck. All the computer told me was Buch gave up a single, triple and a double and was replaced. Layne gave up walks and a single with a run scored. Maybe the emphasis should also go back to the outfield as well. Martinez and Holt both had their troubles, although the wind was strong. Pretty disheartening to the guys on the field more than the fans that watch.

[mvp 78]

I just keep getting back to what Jacko said. His Pec was responsible for halting the throwing motion.

 

Watching Koji throw it look like many if not most of his pitches are max effort. Pretty violent for a guy with a slight build. Maybe the use of that muscle just maxed out and said "f*** it. I ain't doin' this no more".

 

It was just time for it to happen. Yes, it could have happened in his next outing weather closing or not. Or, it could have happened at anytime afterwards.

Or with a better managed schedule, it may never have happened.