2016 MLB Gamethread

[User Name]

Just look at this random s***. Why people thinki correct ball and strike calls would take away from the random nature of this sport is perplexing.

[Kimmi]

Just look at this random s***. Why people thinki correct ball and strike calls would take away from the random nature of this sport is perplexing.

 

It's a matter of personal preference. Just because we prefer something different than you doesn't make us wrong or crazy.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Unless you prefer the Yankees, in which case you are definitely wrong and also a jerk.

[Kimmi]

Unless you prefer the Yankees, in which case you are definitely wrong and also a jerk.

 

Well yeah, that goes without saying.

[User Name]

Unless you prefer the Yankees, in which case you are definitely wrong and also a jerk.

 

It's a matter of personal preference. Just because we prefer something different than you doesn't make us wrong or crazy.

 

The Yankees or preventing fairness.

[Kimmi]

The Yankees or preventing fairness.

 

It's not preventing fairness because every team and every player deals with the same human aspects of umpires.

[User Name]

But it's not consistent. Fairness is consistent. There is no consistency in inconsistency (which is fitting). Not all blown calls have the same amount of leverage, as David Ortiz will be more than glad to point out. That blown call to Ortiz literally cost the Red Sox the game, for example.

[Spudboy]

It's a matter of personal preference. Just because we prefer something different than you doesn't make us wrong or crazy.

 

I love ya Kimmi but this statement smacks of irony.

[Kimmi]

But it's not consistent. Fairness is consistent. There is no consistency in inconsistency (which is fitting). Not all blown calls have the same amount of leverage, as David Ortiz will be more than glad to point out. That blown call to Ortiz literally cost the Red Sox the game, for example.

 

Believe me, I didn't like that call anymore than you did. That's an example of an umpire that needs to be reprimanded.

 

As far as that blown call costing the Sox the game, you don't know that. You don't know what would have happened afterwards. I have always believed that blaming a game on one play, one managerial decision, or one bad call is kind of pointless because there are far too many moments in the game that affect the outcome.

 

Now I'm not saying that the bad call didn't rob the Sox of a chance, but I am saying that it didn't cost the Sox the game.

 

As I said, I didn't like it any more than you did, but to me, it's part of the game.

[Kimmi]

I love ya Kimmi but this statement smacks of irony.

 

As does this statement.

[User Name]

The game would have been tied, because he blew two calls in that at bat. We know there would have been a tie game, had the umpire made those two calls correctly, therefore, the blown calls directly cost the Red Sox a loss, by not allowing them to tie the game.

 

And the point is that it should not be part of the game. The strike zone is clearly defined and instituted in the game's rules. Trying to stop the calls from being as accurate as possible because of "the human element" is just illogical in many levels.

 

The beauty of it is that umpires don't even need to be replaced nor their roles reduced, they can be fitted with the technology to improve their call accuracy. The "part of the game" argument is the literal definition of failthought, because nowhere in the rules of baseball does it say that there's an acceptable percentage allowed for missed calls because we don't want to improve the ball-strike system, or that umpires should be allowed to have their personal strike zone because "the human element".

[Kimmi]

The game would have been tied, because he blew two calls in that at bat. We know there would have been a tie game, had the umpire made those two calls correctly, therefore, the blown calls directly cost the Red Sox a loss, by not allowing them to tie the game.

 

And the point is that it should not be part of the game. The strike zone is clearly defined and instituted in the game's rules. Trying to stop the calls from being as accurate as possible because of "the human element" is just illogical in many levels.

 

The beauty of it is that umpires don't even need to be replaced nor their roles reduced, they can be fitted with the technology to improve their call accuracy. The "part of the game" argument is the literal definition of failthought, because nowhere in the rules of baseball does it say that there's an acceptable percentage allowed for missed calls because we don't want to improve the ball-strike system, or that umpires should be allowed to have their personal strike zone because "the human element".

 

There's really no sense in going back and forth about it. We're not going to change each other's minds. That said, there is nothing illogical or 'failthought' about my preference to keep human umps.

 

I'm sure the day will come when there is a automated strike zone, and I will have to accept it. It doesn't mean I have to like it.

[User Name]

You are concentrating on a point of the argument that only one or two people are making. I am not advocating for the replacement of human umpires. I am advocating for the league providing them with tools to improve their accuracy on what is otherwise an impossible job, and I have made that abundantly clear. Not helping umpires do their job correctly just because is indeed illogical.

[Kimmi]

You are concentrating on a point of the argument that only one or two people are making. I am not advocating for the replacement of human umpires. I am advocating for the league providing them with tools to improve their accuracy on what is otherwise an impossible job, and I have made that abundantly clear. Not helping umpires do their job correctly just because is indeed illogical.

 

Pitch/FX has been helping umpires do their jobs better for the past 10 years, and yes, they have gotten better. Let the technology help the umpires improve by letting them see where there errors are, after the game. They will continue to improve. Get rid of the bad umpires. You will see the percentage of correct calls improve even more.

 

I am a lot of things, but illogical is not one of them. Just stop with that crap.

[User Name]

Hasn't helped them enough, as their missed call ratio has barely moved in the past 10-15 years, and if they can use a system during games to decrease what is an average 14% missed call ratio (that includes, from personal research so I could be wrong, guys with custom strike zones like Angel Hernandez), then you jump on that, to improve the game.

 

I'm sorry if you take it as an insult, but openly arguing against making the game more fair and respectful of the rules which constitute it without altering its essence (i.e keeping umpires and their responsibilities), is illogical and a result of personal preference. It's not an insult, it's just the way it is. I have an illogical and irrational hatred of the Yankees (the rivalry is pretty much dead, let's be honest), Jonathan Papelbon (even before he left the Sox), the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors (can't even explain that one), Denver Broncos and New York Jets. I'm a logical person, but that's an illogical aspect of my sports fandom. I embrace it and admit it, and it's not a big deal at all.

Edited June 5, 2016 by User Name?

[User Name]

Oh, also Dusty Baker (who by all accounts is a pretty nice guy but every time I see him with that toothpick I wanna suplex him back to the stone age), and Joe Maddon (who is eminently hateable and a massive tool, but I don't understand how I dislike so much.

[mvp 78]

@bbtn James Shields has allowed 6 runs through 2 IP tonight. Overall, he's allowed 13 runs in 4 IP for the White Sox.

[Thunder]

How do people beat Scherzer? He must really be off his game when it happens, because he consistently looks superhuman.

[a700hitter]

@bbtn James Shields has allowed 6 runs through 2 IP tonight. Overall, he's allowed 13 runs in 4 IP for the White Sox.

Thank goodness we didn't get him.

[Jasonbay44]

Yeah looks like I was wrong about Shields.. I mean im still confident he's better than Joe Kelly, but realistically, who isn't better than Joe Kelly?

[User Name]

Thank goodness we didn't get him.

 

OH!

[User Name]

Sooooo......James Shields huh?

[Kimmi]

Sooooo......James Shields huh?

 

We face him in this upcoming series, the 4th game I believe.

 

Watch, he'll pick that game to decide to pitch like an ace again. LOL

[a700hitter]

We face him in this upcoming series, the 4th game I believe.

 

Watch, he'll pick that game to decide to pitch like an ace again. LOL

That is usually the way things happen, but he has never had much success facing the Red Sox at Fenway, so I remain hopeful.

[bosoxmal]

Rays at Orioles, 6/24

 

Rays 1st inning: double, home run, double, single, walk, DP, walk, K

 

Orioles: down 1-2-3

 

Rays haven't won this month have they?

[mvp 78]

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17519-2016-MLB-Gamethread

[Jasonbay44]

And Orioles ended up winning anyway

[a700hitter]

[h=2]Mets Expected To Sign Jose Reyes[/h] By Steve Adams and Jeff Todd | June 25, 2016 at 9:19am CDT

SATURDAY: The Mets will sign Reyes once he officially becomes a free agent at noon Central time, as various reporters, including ESPN’s Adam Rubin, have noted.

 

Good move by the Mets. They have big holes in their lineup with Wright done for the season and Duda with a broken back.

[Spudboy]

Good move by the Mets. They have big holes in their lineup with Wright done for the season and Duda with a broken back.

 

Is he even healthy? My knock on him has been his inability to stay on the field.

 

Of course smacking his woman around is a good reason not to have him on your team too.

[a700hitter]

Is he even healthy? My knock on him has been his inability to stay on the field.

 

Of course smacking his woman around is a good reason not to have him on your team too.

He will probably blow a tire soon after he joins the team. That has been his history. He never wanted to leave the Mets, so this could rejuvenate him.

 

As for the wife beating, we have seen a long history of different rules applying to athletes. Society is willing to sweep it under the carpet when professional athletes are involved. As a baseball move, it looks like a good move for the Mets. Plus, it fits the cheap assed Mets budget as they will only pay him the league minimum.