2016 Red Sox Hot Stove Discussion Thread

[Bellhorn04]

Just out of curiosity, would you guys deal Betts or Bogearts for Matt Harvey? Not sure if it was talked about but I don't feel like going throught 58 pages haha

 

Personally I would not trade either for Harvey. They are 4-5 WAR players who would be very difficult to replace, and there are other pitchers comparable to Harvey that we could acquire.

[Meh]

Personally I would not trade either for Harvey. They are 4-5 WAR players who would be very difficult to replace, and there are other pitchers comparable to Harvey that we could acquire.

 

Who are you talking about, Price and Grienke, or someone like Sonny Gray? I took a look on SoxProspects and seems like they want either Harvey or one of the Guardians starters (Carrasco or Salazar)

[a700hitter]

Personally I would not trade either for Harvey. They are 4-5 WAR players who would be very difficult to replace, and there are other pitchers comparable to Harvey that we could acquire.

The teams that have those other pitchers will also want Bogaerts or Betts.

[Bellhorn04]

The teams that have those other pitchers will also want Bogaerts or Betts.

 

Oh, I'm sure they will.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Just out of curiosity, would you guys deal Betts or Bogearts for Matt Harvey? Not sure if it was talked about but I don't feel like going throught 58 pages haha

 

No way, no how, no chance. Pitchers break down way more often than hitters, particularly ones who have already had TJS.

 

Betts and Bogaerts are the core of this team for the next 5+ years. I don't move them for anyone not named Harper

[SoxFanForsyth]

The teams that have those other pitchers will also want Bogaerts or Betts.

 

Not necessarily. The Sox have the best farm in all of baseball. They can get just about any player they want if they dangle Moncada, Devers, Espinoza, and/or Swihart.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Who are you talking about, Price and Grienke, or someone like Sonny Gray? I took a look on SoxProspects and seems like they want either Harvey or one of the Guardians starters (Carrasco or Salazar)

 

Carrasco is going to be a Cy candidate next year. Take that to the bank. Price/Grienke are obviously FA and won't cost prospects. Carrasco can likely be had for stud prospects rather than anyone off the 25 man.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I disagree entirely. Lester's trade was reasonable when you consider what Cespedes has turned into. But dealing Cespedes for Porcello was a tough move in retrospect. The high dollar contract for a guy who hadn't thrown a pitch in a sox jersey was dumb. Dealing Lackey for a pile of crap was dumb. Going out and signing a chronically injured malcontent to change positions and pay him $90 mil was dumb. I was all over the Panda move. The guy has declined since getting into the league and has inflated physically as well. 5 years was as stupid as could be.

 

I unfortunately agree w all of this.

[cp176]

Just out of curiosity, would you guys deal Betts or Bogearts for Matt Harvey? Not sure if it was talked about but I don't feel like going throught 58 pages haha

 

Yes it has been discussed and I cannot think of anyone on the site who said yes to trading Betts or Bogaerts for anyone. It might not be a unanimous vote but pretty close to it. They would be a little to tough to replace. Swihart on the other hand might create some possibilities. All depends. Plenty of people don't like that idea so much either. That would be a move I could live with if the package brought back a young top of the rotation guy.

[a700hitter]

Not necessarily. The Sox have the best farm in all of baseball. They can get just about any player they want if they dangle Moncada, Devers, Espinoza, and/or Swihart.

They might be able to get something done with Swihart in a larger package, but we will not get Harvey for a Swihart package. Also, people seem reluctant to trade Swihart.

[Bellhorn04]

I can see Dombro being open to trading Swihart in the right deal.

[SoxFanForsyth]

They might be able to get something done with Swihart in a larger package, but we will not get Harvey for a Swihart package. Also, people seem reluctant to trade Swihart.

 

If you're going to get a Harvey type player back, you deal Swihart. But Harvey ain't comin here. The Sox and Mets don't line up well in the least. They'll want an MLB ready player. Our biggest MLB chip that we'd part with (Swihart) is at a position where they already have young strong talent.

[cp176]

If you're going to get a Harvey type player back, you deal Swihart. But Harvey ain't comin here. The Sox and Mets don't line up well in the least. They'll want an MLB ready player. Our biggest MLB chip that we'd part with (Swihart) is at a position where they already have young strong talent.

 

And that is why it is great to know that there other trading partners with outstanding young pitchers who are possibly available.

[d-money]

Pitching's the name of the game. We are seeing it with the new york mets. We need an ace

[cp176]

Pitching's the name of the game. We are seeing it with the new york mets. We need an ace

 

It is an absolute no brainer. The but is that it is no more of a no brainer than it was last year. Their inability or reluctance to go after one last year, made no sense either. A quick show of hands - Did we all think that either Buchholz or Porcello was going to become that person? Their needs have not changed - only upper management. Imagine that!

[a700hitter]

I am wondering where Chris Davis's big power bat will land in free agency. He is a home run monster. But for the albatross of Hanley Ramirez and his contract, we would be in the market for a first baseman. What other teams have an opening at first base?

[Meh]

I am wondering where Chris Davis's big power bat will land in free agency. He is a home run monster. But for the albatross of Hanley Ramirez and his contract, we would be in the market for a first baseman. What other teams have an opening at first base?

 

If the Mets win the Series this year, I could see them going in on Chris Davis. Lucas Duda is alright, but if you added Davis to that team and resigned Cespedes.... they might be favorites for the WS again next year.

[Bellhorn04]

I have seen some guesses on Chris Davis at 6 years/144 million.

 

How would you like your albatross - rare, medium or well done?

[jacksonianmarch]

I could see him in Seattle

[Bellhorn04]

For those numbers, he just screams albatross to me.

[Kimmi]

Pitching's the name of the game. We are seeing it with the new york mets. We need an ace

 

And yet the Cubs have Arrieta and Lester, both of whom were beat in that series.

[Kimmi]

I have seen some guesses on Chris Davis at 6 years/144 million.

 

How would you like your albatross - rare, medium or well done?

 

Just say no to Chris Davis. Our position players are more or less good to go.

[Bellhorn04]

You just don't see many front 3's like the Mets have right now, that good and that young. They have really hit the motherlode all of a sudden.

 

As I'm sure many people here know, the Mets got both Syndergaard and d'Arnaud from the Jays for R. A. Dickey. If that doesn't give you the chills about trading prospects...

[sk7326]

Pitching's the name of the game. We are seeing it with the new york mets. We need an ace

 

Well that and hitting a homerun in 6 straight games

[sk7326]

Hard thing with dealing Harvey is that Betts and/or Bogaerts almost has to be in the deal because the Mets are built to contend, and it'd be hard for Alderson to make a deal that will hurt the major league club in the short run. If this were a true sell-off then something like Devers (if you are a believer to the extent that a lot of the industry is) and another guy might be sufficient. But the Mets are going to want major league return. You could argue the same for Cleveland although there are more financial constraints there, but that roster looks promising - that team when Lindor got settled in started to look very good. Both of those teams will want some major league return in a big deal.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You just don't see many front 3's like the Mets have right now, that good and that young. They have really hit the motherlode all of a sudden.

 

As I'm sure many people here know, the Mets got both Syndergaard and d'Arnaud from the Jays for R. A. Dickey. If that doesn't give you the chills about trading prospects...

 

I think everyone thought that was a moronic trade when it happened, so the fact that the Mets are pummeling the Jays in that trade isn't surprising. If they had gotten someone like Sale, Harvey, or even a guy like Carrasco, the trade would look merely even.

[mvp 78]

I think everyone thought that was a moronic trade when it happened, so the fact that the Mets are pummeling the Jays in that trade isn't surprising. If they had gotten someone like Sale, Harvey, or even a guy like Carrasco, the trade would look merely even.

 

Iortiz said the Jays won that offseason though?

[Palodios]

The Jays got an affordable #3 in that deal. He's been around a 3.90 ERA with 210 IP each season since they acquired him.

 

The prospects worked out, but they don't always work out. Hopefully Dombrowski continues his hot streak of knowing the difference.

[jacksonianmarch]

If you are getting Harvey, you are going to have to give them a now OFer to replace Cespedes plus prospects. I think Betts and Devers or Betts and Owens for Harvey would solve the problem for both sides. The Mets get much needed offense in CF and the sox get a true ace who is another year removed from TJS. The sox are one of the rare teams to have 2 young CFers on their roster. Both can man the position defensively. Bradley may or may not hit over a full year. Betts has sky high value and looks like a perennial AS. That being said, the price to get a Harvey is going to be incredibly high.

[cp176]

You have brought this up a number of times. Most know all about what it would take to get Harvey. No one wants see either Betts or Bogaerts leave Boston just yet. There are other Harvey like talents out their that will not cost the Sox Betts or Bogaerts. The Mets can cover the loss of Harvey much easier than the Red Sox could the loss of either Bogaerts or Betts. It would look like a much better deal for the Mets I'm afraid if they got a package built around either of our two potential stars plus a potentially decent young arm. The Mets might not be interested in Swihart but plenty of others are. The Red Sox are in a position of strength here. Dealing with the Mets might not be the best way to go just yet.