2015 Red Sox Trade Deadline Thread

[mvp 78]

it has been said they will not deal for rentals. The Mets have arms I like a lot, Degrom, Syndergaard, Matz, etc. Margot/Devers are our best prospects. I wouldn't hesitate to deal them for one of the Mets pitcher.

 

The Mets have no reason to make a deal for prospects not ready to play now.

[a700hitter]

it has been said they will not deal for rentals. The Mets have arms I like a lot, Degrom, Syndergaard, Matz, etc. Margot/Devers are our best prospects. I wouldn't hesitate to deal them for one of the Mets pitcher.

Those Mets pitchers aren't going anywhere. The Mets pitcher that could be had, but at a very hefty price would be Harvey. I have heard that there is friction between Harvey and the organization and that the feeling is that he will not sign long term with them.

[Station 13]

The Mets have no reason to make a deal for prospects not ready to play now.

 

They won't deal now. But it's a team to keep an eye on when dealing for starters. Everyone is drumming the Gray name, but there are plenty of venues to turn to.

[Palodios]

For some reason I thought Kaz had another year on his deal. That being said, Owens has taken a major step back this year, so if you want a top flight rental, dealing him won't get you what it would have last year

 

He had a forgettable April, but he's improved a lot after that. Even if Owens is more of a top 50 prospect than a top 20 prospects, he's still probably worth enough to pull in Kaz, especially since he's a bit beat up right now.

[Spudboy]

For some reason I thought Kaz had another year on his deal. That being said, Owens has taken a major step back this year, so if you want a top flight rental, dealing him won't get you what it would have last year

 

Owens has straightened himself out from what I read. Cechini and Brentz have gone south big time.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gray is a current Cy Young candidate

[jacksonianmarch]

The walk rate is way up and the K rate is way down for Owens.

[mvp 78]

The walk rate is way up and the K rate is way down for Owens.

 

We know. It's been better as of late, but that doesn't mean it will continue. I'd leave him in AAa for the rest of the year and give him a shot next year if he retains his recent control.

[Palodios]

The walk rate is way up and the K rate is way down for Owens.

 

It's skewed by April, reportedly issues controlling the curveball, which he appears to have worked on.

[SoxnCycles]

We know. It's been better as of late, but that doesn't mean it will continue. I'd leave him in AAa for the rest of the year and give him a shot next year if he retains his recent control.

 

Owens has pitched in 24 games at Pawtucket.

Let him come up and get his feet wet, while Buchholz is out.

 

If he gets hammered, bring up Wright.

 

He's young, but he's probably ready to give pitching in the ML a shot.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's been better his last 6 starts. He was walking the park April and May. Maybe he's turned a corner. I also was hearing his FB velo was down, and that is what made a lot of scouts sour on him as a top of the rotation pitcher

[cp176]

The walk rate is way up and the K rate is way down for Owens.

 

Owens is good for a couple of walks over the course of 7 innings or so. Moncada has started to hit a little and Guerra continues to look like a good one. Owens might provide some middle of the rotation help for us someday. There are no "prospects" in the minors that are playing so well that they come with a can't miss label. For the right player or players, a trade could really help.

[Palodios]

He's been better his last 6 starts. He was walking the park April and May. Maybe he's turned a corner. I also was hearing his FB velo was down, and that is what made a lot of scouts sour on him as a top of the rotation pitcher

 

Let's just take a step back here. If Owens was still a top of the rotation pitcher, who in their right mind would trade him for two months of a guy like Kaz who has a career 3.96 ERA, and just had a triceps injury?

[Palodios]

Price is still badmouthing Ortiz. Probably not the best offseason target. I sure hope he doesn't go to New York.

[cp176]

Let's just take a step back here. If Owens was still a top of the rotation pitcher, who in their right mind would trade him for two months of a guy like Kaz who has a career 3.96 ERA, and just had a triceps injury?

 

I would not trade him for a rental by any means but i am still looking for those guys who said he was a top of the rotation prospect.. Mid-rotation potential yes - top?

[sk7326]

I would not trade him for a rental by any means but i am still looking for those guys who said he was a top of the rotation prospect.. Mid-rotation potential yes - top?

 

He has long been projected as a #2 or #3 sort (since he does not have the power of Rodriguez who has actual ace potential). But that's not nothing, as this season has proven. Even if his ceiling is Hiroki Kuroda - that is still immensely valuable for any rotation, especially as cheap as he'd be in his pre-arb years. If this team had a rotation of mid-rotation starters (guys pitching like mid-rotation starters), nobody would be sniffling about the quality of the pitchers.

[User Name]

He has long been projected as a #2 or #3 sort (since he does not have the power of Rodriguez who has actual ace potential). But that's not nothing, as this season has proven. Even if his ceiling is Hiroki Kuroda - that is still immensely valuable for any rotation, especially as cheap as he'd be in his pre-arb years. If this team had a rotation of mid-rotation starters (guys pitching like mid-rotation starters), nobody would be sniffling about the quality of the pitchers.

 

That's what won it all for the Red Sox on 2013.

[cp176]

He has long been projected as a #2 or #3 sort (since he does not have the power of Rodriguez who has actual ace potential). But that's not nothing, as this season has proven. Even if his ceiling is Hiroki Kuroda - that is still immensely valuable for any rotation, especially as cheap as he'd be in his pre-arb years. If this team had a rotation of mid-rotation starters (guys pitching like mid-rotation starters), nobody would be sniffling about the quality of the pitchers.

 

Rodriguez's ceiling was always projected to be higher than Owens. No one knows how ultimately their careers will play out. If the return was high enough, I could see Owens packaged with others for a trade but not Rodriguez

[User Name]

No it wasn't. Where did you see that reported? Because for all intents and purposes Rodriguez hadn't harnessed his control enough to be more projectable than Owens. That happened after he came to the Red Sox organization.

[sk7326]

No it wasn't. Where did you see that reported? Because for all intents and purposes Rodriguez hadn't harnessed his control enough to be more projectable than Owens. That happened after he came to the Red Sox organization.

 

Small disagreement here. Rodriguez was always the ceiling guy between the two - but you are right, due to control leaps and bounds behind Owens in terms of probability. His ceiling has been higher, but you had to dream more too. His improvement since coming to Boston changed his "likelihood" considerably - one of the things which had to go right did.

 

Of the Red Sox 3 pawsox arms, I looked at Rodriguez as the upside guy, Johnson as pure probability and Owens as your "a bit of both"

[BigPapi]

No it wasn't. Where did you see that reported? Because for all intents and purposes Rodriguez hadn't harnessed his control enough to be more projectable than Owens. That happened after he came to the Red Sox organization.

 

I agree with you. From what I read last year and from prospect rankings, Henry was definitely ahead of Eduardo. They were down on him last year because his velocity wasn't as high and for control issues like you said.

[User Name]

Fair enough, actually. In terms of development, the only thing Rodriguez had over Owens was velocity.

[Palodios]

Most of the reports I read mentioned that Eduardo had a higher ceiling, but Owens had a higher floor.

 

We all got giddy after seeing Owens turn unhittable in the minors, but the low 90s fastball does hurt him a bit.

[cp176]

No it wasn't. Where did you see that reported? Because for all intents and purposes Rodriguez hadn't harnessed his control enough to be more projectable than Owens. That happened after he came to the Red Sox organization.

 

What SK wrote. I think that I saw it the same place he did. Come on - Don't I get a "fair enough"?

[sk7326]

Most of the reports I read mentioned that Eduardo had a higher ceiling, but Owens had a higher floor.

 

We all got giddy after seeing Owens turn unhittable in the minors, but the low 90s fastball does hurt him a bit.

 

It is hard to dream of a #1 when a guy's virtues are his changeup and his feel ... that doesn't mean that you wouldn't take ... say Bruce Hurst's career ... but you wouldn't confuse it with Clayton Kershaw either.

 

That said, the larger point is - even is Owens only projects as a #2/#3 sort, that is an extremely useful pitcher, and nothing to sleep on.

[BigPapi]

Owens kind of reminds me of a lefty version of Jered Weaver. Thery're both tall and skinny and have mediocre fast ball velocities but not bad fastballs. They both have to rely more on offspeed pitches. Owens probably will not be as dominant as Jered Weaver was in 2011 and 2012, but he could be a similar pitcher if he can keep control of his pitches.

[a700hitter]

It is hard to dream of a #1 when a guy's virtues are his changeup and his feel ... that doesn't mean that you wouldn't take ... say Bruce Hurst's career ... but you wouldn't confuse it with Clayton Kershaw either.

 

That said, the larger point is - even is Owens only projects as a #2/#3 sort, that is an extremely useful pitcher, and nothing to sleep on.

I don't think Owens has the quality breaking ball that Hurst had. That was Hurst's weapon.

[BigPapi]

I think they should trade brock holt to a contender if a contender beomes desperate enough to want a super utility player that could fill in for any injured players or who could be put in the lineup 4 times a week to give other players a rest. I still doubt any contender would give up something decent for him though.

[User Name]

Owens kind of reminds me of a lefty version of Jered Weaver. Thery're both tall and skinny and have mediocre fast ball velocities but not bad fastballs. They both have to rely more on offspeed pitches. Owens probably will not be as dominant as Jered Weaver was in 2011 and 2012, but he could be a similar pitcher if he can keep control of his pitches.

 

Owens' velocity is above-average for a lefty.

[BigPapi]

Owens' velocity is above-average for a lefty.

 

Really? I heard his fastball normally sits between 88-91 which was what jereds was around the time he came up.