2015 Red Sox In-Season Thread

[User Name]

Summary:

 

If the Sox spend money: "Waaaaaaaah!"

 

If the Sox don't spend money: "Waaaaah!"

 

Either way: "I hate guaranteed contracts, the Sox should stop signing these guys who haven't proven themselves in Boston. They should also pay below market value, and get superstars on the cheap, and trade for other teams' superstars using our spare parts".

 

They should also s*** unicorns. It's a strategy for a reason, and one that's been in play for a f***ing month. This is why Red Sox fans are now as universally hated as Yankees fans.

 

Call the f***ing Whaaaambulance.

[SoxHop]

It's May. I'm not trying to spin anything. Did you actually read what I wrote at all?

 

No, I started reading where you said our staff has pitched a whole bunch of low scoring games and it looked like you were thinking our offense was the only problem.

 

You can call a turd a turd. A turd can sprout though into something good, but it's a turd until it does.

[User Name]

No, I started reading where you said our staff has pitched a whole bunch of low scoring games and it looked like you were thinking our offense was the only problem.

 

Dear Lord.

[User Name]

Northern Star is the new Fred. May the Lord have mercy on our souls.

[jacksonianmarch]

UN, they have the worst starting ERA in the AL. You always talk about the stats and straw man arguments. Well, you're not looking at the stats and you're the scarecrow

[User Name]

UN, they have the worst starting ERA in the AL. You always talk about the stats and straw man arguments. Well, you're not looking at the stats and you're the scarecrow

 

I'm looking at the stats, the sample, and the actual games.

 

Two determinations:

 

1)They are not this bad, and they have, in fact, lost a bunch of low-scoring games.

 

2) This is yet another strawman, because the post in which I correctly called you out on making s*** up did not defend the rotation. They have sucked, and we all know this. As you always say: "reading comprehension is a must".

 

To clarify my position since reading comprehension, as a Yankees fan, is not your strong suit: The offense is also to blame because they can't hit for s*** with RISP. They are putting more pressure on the pitching, not the other way around, straw doctor.

[cp176]

My understanding is that Barnes is coming up to join the pen.

 

That looks like a logical move for them to make. Normally, I might agree that you give Miley, Masterson, Bucksnorts, and Kelly a long leash but if any of this group gets pounded or can't at least keep you in a game and any of the group of Rodriguez, Wright, Owens, and Johnson pitches well a move should be made. I think that it should be performance based.

[User Name]

Since you don't like facts Jacko, let's see you dispute some facts:

 

The Red Sox have lost 14 games so far, out of those 14 games:

 

1) 4-2 loss to Philly, Porcello 6 IP/ 3 ER, QS, dominated by the bastion of effectiveness that is Aaron Harang.

2) 4-1 loss to O's, Buchholz 6 IP, 2 ER

3) 2-1 loss to Rays, Buchholz 6 IP, 2 ER

4) 3-2 loss to Yanks, Masterso n 6 IP, 2 ER

5) 4-2 loss to Yanks, Miley 7 IP, 3 ER

 

Those are only games where the starters pitched Quality starts. There are at least two other games which ended up with 5-3 and 5-1 scores. This team's offense is as big of a problem as the porous pitching, and there's no way around it.

[SoxnCycles]

Re The Miley extension:

 

Sure, it's an ideal situation wait until 1/2 the season is over to try to sign a player to an extension.

But, say you are said player and you get off to as great start. Are you going to tell your agent to hustle over the Sox FO and get that team friendly extension signed, or are you going to wait for free agency and an even bigger payday, because you're playing your ass off?

 

Some players simply don't want to deal with contract talks during the season.

 

It's a nice fantasy to say we need to wait, but it rarely works out that way.

 

It's a gamble for both the player and the team.

And it's not exactly a team busting contract.

Edited May 8, 2015 by SoxnCycles

[User Name]

Re The Miley extension:

 

Sure, it's an ideal situation wait until 1/2 the season is over to try to sign a player to an extension.

But, say you are said player and you get off to as great start. Are you going to tell your agent to hustle over the Sox FO and get that team friendly extension signed, or are you going to wait for free agency and an even bigger payday, because you're playing your ass off?

 

Some players simply don't want to deal with contract talks during the season.

 

It's a nice fantasy to say we need to wait, but it rarely works out that way.

 

It's a gamble for both the player and the team.

And it's not exactly a team busting contract.

 

Logic? In MY Talksox?

[SoxnCycles]

Logic? In MY Talksox?

 

I know, I know!

 

I should know better!

[a700hitter]

The Mets have been giving signals that they would move Dillon Gee. He might be worth looking at. He shouldn't have a high trade value -- a nice lower level prospect or 2 should get it done. If the Sox are committed to XB at SS and Marrero has no future in the organization, I think the Mets would jump at him. They might give up Niese for him. The Mets are having a lot of problems with Flores defense at SS. Marrero could possibly play for their big club right now.

[redsoxrules]

Since you don't like facts Jacko, let's see you dispute some facts:

 

The Red Sox have lost 14 games so far, out of those 14 games:

 

1) 4-2 loss to Philly, Porcello 6 IP/ 3 ER, QS, dominated by the bastion of effectiveness that is Aaron Harang.

2) 4-1 loss to O's, Buchholz 6 IP, 2 ER

3) 2-1 loss to Rays, Buchholz 6 IP, 2 ER

4) 3-2 loss to Yanks, Masterso n 6 IP, 2 ER

5) 4-2 loss to Yanks, Miley 7 IP, 3 ER

 

Those are only games where the starters pitched Quality starts. There are at least two other games which ended up with 5-3 and 5-1 scores. This team's offense is as big of a problem as the porous pitching, and there's no way around it.

 

Allowing 5 runs or more in a game is s***** pitching. And what point is this no longer a small sample size? after 50 games?

[jacksonianmarch]

UN? I never discounted the blame on the offense. I have just told you that the rotation has in fact sucked. The offense has lacked cohesion as some guys on the team are actually hitting well. The only guy who is an absolute puzzle is Napoli, as it appears he stopped juicing.

 

This doesn't change the fact that the pitching has been atrocious, especially the rotation. Prior to yesterday, the sox had the 29th ranked staff ERA, the 29th ranked rotation ERA, and were the only team in baseball to have had 100+ innings out of their pen. In short, the staff isn't staying in games long enough to relieve the pen a little and when they are in there, they are giving up runs in bunches. Yes, they have had some good games. But they've also had some epically bad games. They don't even out. You cannot expect any offense, let alone one expected to be great, to always win every well pitched game. That's not reasonable. You should expect your offense to rescue your starters when they suck a few times as well. I bet the numbers show that even a good offense and team will still lose 30%+ percent of Quality Starts made by their rotation. I also bet you that even on a team with a good offense, a team will win a much lower percentage of games where the starters suck.

[User Name]

Then what's the point? We're arguing in circles.

 

We all know the pitching has sucked, but the "vaunted offense" has been anything but. The one point of disagreement we have in regards to the pitching is that you think the pitching is putting pressure on the offense, and I think it's the other way around.

[User Name]

Allowing 5 runs or more in a game is s***** pitching. And what point is this no longer a small sample size? after 50 games?

 

I think they should be given until the end of May. If they don't turn it around, time to hit the panic button.

 

The thing that baffles me about the pitching in particular, is that the way they melt down in some games is just utterly ridiculous. Especially Buchholz. I think him and Kelly are toast. I think Masterson can live as a #5 with the diminished velocity, and Miley will settle down into at least serviceable. Porcello is good either way. They have some options in the Minors who may be better right now than what they're trotting out there.

 

I was reading an article about Buchholz' advanced stats and how he should turn it around and I don't buy it. I'm a big proponent of stats but there are things they can't explain. Buchholz' mental issues are some of the things stats can't explain.

[Bellhorn04]

UN? I never discounted the blame on the offense. I have just told you that the rotation has in fact sucked. The offense has lacked cohesion as some guys on the team are actually hitting well. The only guy who is an absolute puzzle is Napoli, as it appears he stopped juicing.

 

Huh? He's a streaky hitter off to a slow start. Or maybe he's getting old and losing it a bit. No idea why you would bring juice into it.

[User Name]

Jacko is the dean of Make-s***-Up university. I just ignore s*** like that when he posts it, and focus on what little he says that makes sense.

[redsoxrules]

I think they should be given until the end of May. If they don't turn it around, time to hit the panic button.

 

The thing that baffles me about the pitching in particular, is that the way they melt down in some games is just utterly ridiculous. Especially Buchholz. I think him and Kelly are toast. I think Masterson can live as a #5 with the diminished velocity, and Miley will settle down into at least serviceable. Porcello is good either way. They have some options in the Minors who may be better right now than what they're trotting out there.

 

I was reading an article about Buchholz' advanced stats and how he should turn it around and I don't buy it. I'm a big proponent of stats but there are things they can't explain. Buchholz' mental issues are some of the things stats can't explain.

 

I wouldn't say Kelly is toast. He's the one that has a better shot of turning it around between him and Buch.

If he can find control he'd be a hell of pitcher.

Among starters he has the best average fastball speed. There's no way he can be this bad forever

I'm more concerned with Miley, buch and Masterson

Edited May 8, 2015 by redsoxrules

[User Name]

I wouldn't say Kelly is toast. He's the one that has a better shot of turning it around between him and Buch.

If he can find control he'd be a hell of pitcher.

Among starters he has the best average fastball speed. There's no way he can be this bad forever

I'm more concerned with Miley, buch and Masterson

 

Fair enough. I like Miley better than Kelly regardless of velocity.

[jacksonianmarch]

Then what's the point? We're arguing in circles.

 

We all know the pitching has sucked, but the "vaunted offense" has been anything but. The one point of disagreement we have in regards to the pitching is that you think the pitching is putting pressure on the offense, and I think it's the other way around.

 

So we are arguing semantics. Okay, good. The sox offense has been disappointing. You're 11th in runs in the majors, hardly an unmitigated disaster. But when your offense is built to be the leader and they aren't, then I can see how the pitchers could have extra pressure

[Spudboy]

When was Napoli implicated as a juicer?

 

I must have missed something.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am just f***ing around. Relax.

[User Name]

Sox are sucking, people pissed. Tread with caution, Obnoxious Yankees fan.

[a700hitter]

Someone told me that Napoli is dating a super model. That may be making him weak.

[mvp 78]

I am just f***ing around. Relax.

 

That's not something you typically want to hear from a proctologist...

[Bellhorn04]

Someone told me that Napoli is dating a super model. That may be making him weak.

 

Most baseball players seem to do pretty good in that department. Maybe it was super models who put Jeter in the HOF.

[a700hitter]

Most baseball players seem to do pretty good in that department. Maybe it was super models who put Jeter in the HOF.

Nothing can bring an athlete down faster than a woman. I think George Forman said it it about Mike Tyson and Robin Givens.

[Spudboy]

Someone told me that Napoli is dating a super model. That may be making him weak.

 

Then he's off the hook with me!

[a700hitter]

Then he's off the hook with me!

I won't boo him but they should bench him until his love-coma passes. The problem is that Craig is worse.