Kelly Hurting

[BSN07]

No they don't look good now but ST results hold little water for me both good and bad. If the donkey ballism hasn't gone away by May, I will be more concerned.

[cp176]

No they don't look good now but ST results hold little water for me both good and bad. If the donkey ballism hasn't gone away by May, I will be more concerned.

 

I agree with you to a certain extent. But, if players really have something to prove to their teams, then I do see the significance of really getting ready in the spring. All 5 of those "potential" starters knows that they have something to prove. I'm for giving guys like Ortiz the days off he feels he needs. We know what we are getting from him if he is healthy. A lot of competition should be taking place in this camp for most of the others. Of the starters, Porcello looks good.

[Bellhorn04]

Wow, Olney read my mind, lol. The sox rotation sucks donkey balls. Masterson has looked terrible. Buchholz is trying to show everyone he can be an ace, and he's showing the opposite. And your best reliever looked awful again and is currently hurt. You guys are coming out of the gate looking like the Rangers back when they had ARod. Lots of O, no pitching to be found

 

Buchholz hasn't been that bad at all, according to the numbers.

[Bellhorn04]

No they don't look good now but ST results hold little water for me both good and bad. If the donkey ballism hasn't gone away by May, I will be more concerned.

 

LOL I like it. Forget projections and advanced metrics, the deciding factor for the 2015 Red Sox is whether the rotation sucks donkey balls or not.

[Spudboy]

Buchholz hasn't been that bad at all, according to the numbers.

 

And the numbers can hide some things. In his last start Buch went 4 innings. He allowed 4 earned runs and 6 hits, 6 K and 0 BB.

 

I watched the game. Balls were in a hurry when they left the bat off Buch. He was leaning toward a solid pounding. He looked like s***.

 

Of course after the game you get to listen to Remy and Orsillo gush about how good his changup was then hear the same crap out of Buch himself "a solid outing".

 

So far, to my eyes, only Porcello and Ogando have looked promising. Everyone else is between "meh" and "suck".

[sk7326]

And the numbers can hide some things. In his last start Buch went 4 innings. He allowed 4 earned runs and 6 hits, 6 K and 0 BB.

 

I watched the game. Balls were in a hurry when they left the bat off Buch. He was leaning toward a solid pounding. He looked like s***.

 

Of course after the game you get to listen to Remy and Orsillo gush about how good his changup was then hear the same crap out of Buch himself "a solid outing".

 

So far, to my eyes, only Porcello and Ogando have looked promising. Everyone else is between "meh" and "suck".

 

tricky part of spring training linescores (the same with minor league ones too) is that you don't necessarily know what the guy was supposed to be working on. If Farrell told Buch that we're gonna have you throw 25 changeups, situation be damned - then it's going to affect his performance. The scouting of opposing lineups is limited - I'm not even really sure they are game planning approaches. I share the caution, but more because of last year. It is hard to glean from pretend games whether a guy has gotten in the work he was supposed to.

[seabeachfred]

Wow, Olney read my mind, lol. The sox rotation sucks donkey balls. Masterson has looked terrible. Buchholz is trying to show everyone he can be an ace, and he's showing the opposite. And your best reliever looked awful again and is currently hurt. You guys are coming out of the gate looking like the Rangers back when they had ARod. Lots of O, no pitching to be found

 

Looks like my prediction about an AL East Title is going up in smoke before even being put on the burner. This is not good news----and someone mentioned that Ramirez is already starting to dog it on the bases. Please guys, let's think upbeat and hope all these negative reports also go up in smoke.

[cp176]

tricky part of spring training linescores (the same with minor league ones too) is that you don't necessarily know what the guy was supposed to be working on. If Farrell told Buch that we're gonna have you throw 25 changeups, situation be damned - then it's going to affect his performance. The scouting of opposing lineups is limited - I'm not even really sure they are game planning approaches. I share the caution, but more because of last year. It is hard to glean from pretend games whether a guy has gotten in the work he was supposed to.

 

I know what you are saying and don't disagree with you but they still have to throw the ball. Bucholtz changeup can be extremely effective if his fastball has the velocity. If he is not somewhere in the low 90's at least, his changeup will get ripped. Not unlike Pedro, it has always been tough tell whether he is throwing the changeup or the fastball because that release action looks identical. His power on that body which doesn't look particularly powerful has always set up his change. I also like the fact that what some of these guys down there are working on is just trying to be on that opening day roster. After Porcello, I don't see any of the starting 5 getting an extended leash. There are young healthy arms just waiting to be called upon. You don't want to rush any youngster into action too soon but they might be needed. I was just a little more like Remy I guess. Outside of just a couple of players on this whole team, I'm thinking that there should be a little nervousness. Regardless of what specifically they are working on, I would like to think that they are all smart enough to know that they need to be motivated on a daily basis. Porcello has looked good but after him - shouldn't be any guarantees.

[User Name]

Wow, Olney read my mind, lol. The sox rotation sucks donkey balls. Masterson has looked terrible. Buchholz is trying to show everyone he can be an ace, and he's showing the opposite. And your best reliever looked awful again and is currently hurt. You guys are coming out of the gate looking like the Rangers back when they had ARod. Lots of O, no pitching to be found

 

Spring Training stats: The ultimate predictor of in-season performance. I would suggest you worry more about the potential for donkey-ball sucking form your Yankees.

[User Name]

tricky part of spring training linescores (the same with minor league ones too) is that you don't necessarily know what the guy was supposed to be working on. If Farrell told Buch that we're gonna have you throw 25 changeups, situation be damned - then it's going to affect his performance. The scouting of opposing lineups is limited - I'm not even really sure they are game planning approaches. I share the caution, but more because of last year. It is hard to glean from pretend games whether a guy has gotten in the work he was supposed to.

 

I put about as much stock in ST games as I do in MLB The Show projections. Unless it's a health-related/alarming velocity issue, most of these outings mean jack squat.

 

This stuff takes me back to the years where a near-retirement Pudge Rodriguez jacked 8 HR's in ST then proceeded to hit around 8 of them all season, or JBJ's insane ST stats a couple years back. It means nothing.

[Bellhorn04]

Cole Hamels has a 9.00 ERA and a 1.86 WHIP this spring.

[User Name]

Cole Hamels has a 9.00 ERA and a 1.86 WHIP this spring.

 

The immortal Wandy Rodriguez is second in MLB in ST ERA with a 0.69 mark, while the sure-fire HOF stud that is Jordan Lyles is 4th in WHIP with an 0.64 mark. Both numbers that will clearly translate into the regular season.

[sk7326]

I put about as much stock in ST games as I do in MLB The Show projections. Unless it's a health-related/alarming velocity issue, most of these outings mean jack squat.

 

This stuff takes me back to the years where a near-retirement Pudge Rodriguez jacked 8 HR's in ST then proceeded to hit around 8 of them all season, or JBJ's insane ST stats a couple years back. It means nothing.

 

I was watching the other day Olbermann on ESPN2 responding to criticism of Will Ferrell's thing in Arizona. He told the story of Francona having him in the dugout during the spring games and coordinating a prank on Ortiz. Francona said "the guy's would get a kick out of it". For more than anything the games are there so the folks in towns like Fort Myers can make some money out of the deal. The real work largely is done before first pitch.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTHYfD7q_OQ

[seabeachfred]

If it's all the same with the rest of you, I'm going to continue to insist that these ST stats are bogus and the team will be ready when the season opens.......as long as Manager John Farrell keeps things under control and makes sure the work is getting done and whatever problems with personnel that arise will handled with dispatch internally. I am a little down on Masterson right now because he seems to have the same bad results he got last season like getting the ball up and not getting up and down like a good sinker ball pitcher should. And Kelly has to get back in tow and stop getting shelled. Some of our guys aren't hitting, some are but I like what I see from Mookie and Blake. No way to we trade either one of these. I also wish we could keep Cecchini because I think this guy is a 300-plus hitting in the making. Well I guess we can't have everything. And thanks, no more news about Hamels. If Amaro jr. is going to stick to his guns let him shoot himself in the foot---again.

[Kimmi]

Wow, Olney read my mind, lol. The sox rotation sucks donkey balls. Masterson has looked terrible. Buchholz is trying to show everyone he can be an ace, and he's showing the opposite. And your best reliever looked awful again and is currently hurt. You guys are coming out of the gate looking like the Rangers back when they had ARod. Lots of O, no pitching to be found

 

 

There is always some positive to be found.

 

"While the end results haven't been glamorous, there are encouraging peripherals with the starters and they have combined for 66 GO / 31 FO"

 

Even with Masterson's velocity down, he improved his groundball rate over his previous outing.

[Kimmi]

No they don't look good now but ST results hold little water for me both good and bad. If the donkey ballism hasn't gone away by May, I will be more concerned.

 

A voice of reason. Thank you.

[Kimmi]

Looks like my prediction about an AL East Title is going up in smoke before even being put on the burner. This is not good news----and someone mentioned that Ramirez is already starting to dog it on the bases. Please guys, let's think upbeat and hope all these negative reports also go up in smoke.

 

 

Don't go all Fred on me Fred. And don't bail on that AL East title prediction. I'm counting on you to be my positive reinforcement this year!

 

Playoffs, here we come!

[Kimmi]

Cole Hamels has a 9.00 ERA and a 1.86 WHIP this spring.

 

Here's the thing about acquiring Hamels. If the Sox rotation is as big a mess as some people are saying, Hamels, or any other single pitcher, is not going to be the difference maker. At this point, it would make sense to wait and see where we are in a couple of months. If the rotation has kept the team in the playoff hunt, then the FO needs to get us that top pitcher. If the team is out of it (which I don't foresee happening), then revamp for 2016.

[seabeachfred]

Don't go all Fred on me Fred. And don't bail on that AL East title prediction. I'm counting on you to be my positive reinforcement this year!

 

Playoffs, here we come!

 

There were notes of optimism in what I wrote----and the fact is we cannot really tell how we're shaping up until we have our starting lineup and rotation ready to go about a week or so before the bell rings. It will be up to Farrell is not get too finicky about his starting nine and get them decided upon by the end of next week. No favoritisms shown by Farrell, Cherington or the owners. Put the best men in there and not worry about someone's ego or feelings. As for the pitching, this next week ought to tell us more. One thing I really want to emphasize is that I would NOT like hearing we can carry one or two weak bats because the rest of the guys ought to hit. It worked for the most part in '04, '07 and '13 but we had guys who didn't hit most of the year and it put added pressure on the rest of the lineup. In some of the o ther years those weaknesses stalled us. We must also remember Kimmi that right now there is some real worry about our starting pitching and I would like to see more of what Miley did today, only with him and the rest of the staff taking on the best the other teams can throw at us before the bell rings for real. I'm still holding to my prediction----and I DON'T WANT HAMELS IF IT IS GOING TO COST US EITHER SWIHART OF BETTS. I'd rather take my chances with what we have and wait until the TD and see if we can get someone then---or just wait for the post season when there should be some pitchers available and hope that this time around Henry decides to spend is money on the position that determines whether you go to the show or go home.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wait, Kelly is healing slower than expected? Color me surprised!

[Spudboy]

Wait, Kelly is healing slower than expected? Color me surprised!

 

I suspect that Kelly may be a very good fit on your chart.

 

But the Sox may get lucky!!!

[SoxnCycles]

Wow, Olney read my mind, lol. The sox rotation sucks donkey balls. Masterson has looked terrible. Buchholz is trying to show everyone he can be an ace, and he's showing the opposite. And your best reliever looked awful again and is currently hurt. You guys are coming out of the gate looking like the Rangers back when they had ARod. Lots of O, no pitching to be found

 

I wasn't aware that the team was even at the gate, never mind out of it.

When was Opening Day? I missed it!

 

BSN07 and Kimmi have it right.

I'll wait 'till May, at least, to panic.

Edited March 22, 2015 by SoxnCycles

[SoxnCycles]

Wait, Kelly is healing slower than expected? Color me surprised!

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2015/03/21/morning-fort-joe-kelly-not-making-scheduled-start-shane-victorino-abandons-switch-hitting/

 

John Farrell:

“Even though he came out of his bullpen the other day with no issue, still at 70 percent, which might be a normal bullpen, we just want to get him up to normal game intensity, but not in a game setting,” Farrell said. “Maybe it’s a little precautionary, but it’s something I feel like he walked off the mound in a middle of a start and we’ll take that extended bullpen tomorrow with an eye on him making his normal start next Friday. … Not a setback whatsoever, just an intermediary step towards getting to game speed.”

 

I don't see anything about "healing slower".

[Kimmi]

There were notes of optimism in what I wrote----and the fact is we cannot really tell how we're shaping up until we have our starting lineup and rotation ready to go about a week or so before the bell rings. It will be up to Farrell is not get too finicky about his starting nine and get them decided upon by the end of next week. No favoritisms shown by Farrell, Cherington or the owners. Put the best men in there and not worry about someone's ego or feelings. As for the pitching, this next week ought to tell us more. One thing I really want to emphasize is that I would NOT like hearing we can carry one or two weak bats because the rest of the guys ought to hit. It worked for the most part in '04, '07 and '13 but we had guys who didn't hit most of the year and it put added pressure on the rest of the lineup. In some of the o ther years those weaknesses stalled us. We must also remember Kimmi that right now there is some real worry about our starting pitching and I would like to see more of what Miley did today, only with him and the rest of the staff taking on the best the other teams can throw at us before the bell rings for real. I'm still holding to my prediction----and I DON'T WANT HAMELS IF IT IS GOING TO COST US EITHER SWIHART OF BETTS. I'd rather take my chances with what we have and wait until the TD and see if we can get someone then---or just wait for the post season when there should be some pitchers available and hope that this time around Henry decides to spend is money on the position that determines whether you go to the show or go home.

 

 

I have seen touches of optimism in your posts Fred. You're starting to scare me. ;-)

 

As far as who our starting 9 are, I think that will have more to do with who has options rather than with favoritism. FTR, Hamels has not been that impressive this spring.

[Kimmi]

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2015/03/21/morning-fort-joe-kelly-not-making-scheduled-start-shane-victorino-abandons-switch-hitting/

 

John Farrell:

“Even though he came out of his bullpen the other day with no issue, still at 70 percent, which might be a normal bullpen, we just want to get him up to normal game intensity, but not in a game setting,” Farrell said. “Maybe it’s a little precautionary, but it’s something I feel like he walked off the mound in a middle of a start and we’ll take that extended bullpen tomorrow with an eye on him making his normal start next Friday. … Not a setback whatsoever, just an intermediary step towards getting to game speed.”

 

I don't see anything about "healing slower".

 

 

Thank you for posting this. I was going to post the same thing.

 

And thanks for being another voice of reason.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2015/03/21/morning-fort-joe-kelly-not-making-scheduled-start-shane-victorino-abandons-switch-hitting/

 

John Farrell:

“Even though he came out of his bullpen the other day with no issue, still at 70 percent, which might be a normal bullpen, we just want to get him up to normal game intensity, but not in a game setting,” Farrell said. “Maybe it’s a little precautionary, but it’s something I feel like he walked off the mound in a middle of a start and we’ll take that extended bullpen tomorrow with an eye on him making his normal start next Friday. … Not a setback whatsoever, just an intermediary step towards getting to game speed.”

 

I don't see anything about "healing slower".

 

So you are buying the coach speak? They came out and published when Kelly would return and now he hasn't returned, but he's gonna throw when the cameras are off, blah blah blah. Farrell is smokescreening you right now. You don't come out and say he will start a game and talk down his injury then have him miss the start unless he isn't progressing

[User Name]

So you are buying the coach speak? They came out and published when Kelly would return and now he hasn't returned, but he's gonna throw when the cameras are off, blah blah blah. Farrell is smokescreening you right now. You don't come out and say he will start a game and talk down his injury then have him miss the start unless he isn't progressing

 

And you know this how?

[a700hitter]

If our number 5 starter goes down, we have another one of those -- Miley. We don't have a number 1.

[Bellhorn04]

So you are buying the coach speak? They came out and published when Kelly would return and now he hasn't returned, but he's gonna throw when the cameras are off, blah blah blah. Farrell is smokescreening you right now. You don't come out and say he will start a game and talk down his injury then have him miss the start unless he isn't progressing

 

You're making quite a big deal about a guy being held back a few more days in spring training games.

[Dojji]

Desperate hope of course. He can't count on his Yankees to do anything this year, so failing that, hoping we stumble is all he's got.