Future of Fenway

[a700hitter]

MVP = Fenway Hater

[Ogden]

You know all the tricks. On Sundays, I park on the street by one of the Northeastern dorms on Forsyth street. You don't have to feed the meters on Sunday.

 

I have been reading your posts with great interest. You mention going to Shea Stadium and the Polo Grounds. Are you from NY? We must be pretty close in age. I wish that I had seen Ebbets Field.

 

 

I grew up just over the GW Bridge in NJ.

[mvp 78]

MVP = Fenway Hater

 

Tear it down. They can't fix the seats that don't face the IF. They can't get rid of the obstructions. Tear it down.

[a700hitter]

Tear it down. They can't fix the seats that don't face the IF. They can't get rid of the obstructions. Tear it down.

Boston politics is too corrupt for them to get it done in our lifetime.

[Spudboy]

Maybe.

 

If the owners decided to move the team to the Suburbs and pay the bulk of the costs it could be done.

[a700hitter]

Maybe.

 

If the owners decided to move the team to the Suburbs and pay the bulk of the costs it could be done.

They would still have lots of obstacles. Once they move out of Fenway, they would lose the tourist money. A lot of people come to see the venerable old ballpark. That is a factor in their decision. It is why people keep coming to Wrigley. It's not the Cubs that are drawing them in. If you are a baseball fan, even casually, you have to go to Wrigley when you visit Chicago. If the Sox move to the burbs, attendance would drop like a stone if they field garbage like they did in 2014.

[mvp 78]

Boston politics is too corrupt for them to get it done in our lifetime.

 

Yeah, it's never gonna happen.

[sk7326]

They would still have lots of obstacles. Once they move out of Fenway, they would lose the tourist money. A lot of people come to see the venerable old ballpark. That is a factor in their decision. It is why people keep coming to Wrigley. It's not the Cubs that are drawing them in. If you are a baseball fan, even casually, you have to go to Wrigley when you visit Chicago. If the Sox move to the burbs, attendance would drop like a stone if they field garbage like they did in 2014.

 

Moving them out of Fenway would remove the cover for not having a good team - fortunately since 1967 that has largely been a non-issue. I don't know - I get the sense that pink-hat sorts are nostalgic about the old yard, hard core fans a bit less so. Frankly a ballpark with 10,000 more seats and a more affordable bottom tier (and I'm not being a pollyanna here) would not be a bad thing. This brain trust for sure knows how to put together a stadium which would be the equal of Camden or AT&T

[mvp 78]

f*** no. Keep Fenway if they're going to turn it to ATT/Pac Bell East. That ballpark is the worst. It feels just as fake and phony as the OF in Anaheim. No one needs a 50 ft glove statue. It's built right next to some fine urban blight too. At least when you go to Fenway you aren't taking a 50/50 chance of being stabbed if you walk around the area.

[sk7326]

f*** no. Keep Fenway if they're going to turn it to ATT/Pac Bell East. That ballpark is the worst. It feels just as fake and phony as the OF in Anaheim. No one needs a 50 ft glove statue. It's built right next to some fine urban blight too. At least when you go to Fenway you aren't taking a 50/50 chance of being stabbed if you walk around the area.

 

Camden is certainly preferred - for the ballparks I've visited it's still the best

[a700hitter]

Moving them out of Fenway would remove the cover for not having a good team - fortunately since 1967 that has largely been a non-issue. I don't know - I get the sense that pink-hat sorts are nostalgic about the old yard, hard core fans a bit less so. Frankly a ballpark with 10,000 more seats and a more affordable bottom tier (and I'm not being a pollyanna here) would not be a bad thing. This brain trust for sure knows how to put together a stadium which would be the equal of Camden or AT&T

I would be nostalgic for the old park, and someday I will want to take my grandkids to see a ballgame at Fenway, but I would really enjoy a nice new, comfortable ballpark. If anyof you have been to JetBlue park it is the same field inside a new ballpark. Granted that is a much smaller park, but they could do the same thing with a 45,000 seating capacity park.

[a700hitter]

f*** no. Keep Fenway if they're going to turn it to ATT/Pac Bell East. That ballpark is the worst. It feels just as fake and phony as the OF in Anaheim. No one needs a 50 ft glove statue. It's built right next to some fine urban blight too. At least when you go to Fenway you aren't taking a 50/50 chance of being stabbed if you walk around the area.

I like that park, aside from the 50 foot glove. It has great sightlines. The upperdeck seems closer to the field than the lower deck in Oakland. I like Camden Yards too, but my preference is ATT. Of the new parks, the Phillies place is my least favorite. That might be influenced by the fact that Phillie fans are just so unpleasant.

[Spudboy]

My guess is that there will not be a new stadium until public safety becomes an issue.

 

Fenway is actually crumbling.

[a700hitter]

My guess is that there will not be a new stadium until public safety becomes an issue.

 

Fenway is actually crumbling.

Pieces of Yankee Stadium (1976 ed) started falling a few years before they built the new place.

[mvp 78]

I like that park, aside from the 50 foot glove. It has great sightlines. The upperdeck seems closer to the field than the lower deck in Oakland. I like Camden Yards too, but my preference is ATT. Of the new parks, the Phillies place is my least favorite. That might be influenced by the fact that Phillie fans are just so unpleasant.

 

Color me biased as I lived in SF during the Barry Bonds craziness and grew to despise that fan base.

[Spudboy]

I have disliked Barry Bonds since 1986.

 

He is not a nice person.

[seabeachfred]

Color me biased as I lived in SF during the Barry Bonds craziness and grew to despise that fan base.[/quote/

 

We all have our biases mvp and perhaps you can understand my animus to Dodger Stadium and that band of frauds who play there. Yours is colored by your dislike of Bonds and those fans that everything but kiss his tush even when the evidence was piling up that the guy was dirty. I can certainly understand that----and I do not dismiss yours argument and others that Fenway does leave something to be desired as far as comfort and accessibility is concerned. My take is different as you know because of what Fenway did for me psychologically that day and I can never see anything but beauty, tradition, excitement, fan fervor and good baseball when I go there. Hey, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and I guess so is ugliness.

[cp176]

just outside of the city Mr. Henry owns enough land to easily build a beautiful park. Once again, just off the interstate.

[Spudboy]

just outside of the city Mr. Henry owns enough land to easily build a beautiful park. Once again, just off the interstate.

 

Where are you talking about cp?

 

I've never heard this. I don't doubt it. I just have never heard this.

[cp176]

Where are you talking about cp?

 

I've never heard this. I don't doubt it. I just have never heard this.

 

How much land does John Henry own in and around the offices of the Boston globe?

[Ogden]

How much land does John Henry own in and around the offices of the Boston globe?

 

 

Are you referring to Morrissey Blvd? I thought that was up for sale. It's less than 20 acres.

[cp176]

Are you referring to Morrissey Blvd? I thought that was up for sale. It's less than 20 acres.

 

That is the general area - i am not sure how much land he owns there. I'm not really sure how much land there is there.

[sk7326]

I would be nostalgic for the old park, and someday I will want to take my grandkids to see a ballgame at Fenway, but I would really enjoy a nice new, comfortable ballpark. If anyof you have been to JetBlue park it is the same field inside a new ballpark. Granted that is a much smaller park, but they could do the same thing with a 45,000 seating capacity park.

 

Some truth there. Personally, I will decry the new ballpark exactly as long as it takes for a pennant to get there.

[Spudboy]

The word suburb threw me.

 

I did not even think about the Globe land. I have been aware that "Prune Face" owns the Globe but did not know that he owned the land.

 

To me, Morrisey Blvd is not in the suburbs. It's in Dorchester, I believe.

 

In any case, I wonder if there is enough room in 20 acres. I doubt it.

[Spudboy]

Every few years Talksox debates this issue.

 

It would be cool if any of us had any influence on the topic.

 

Sometime back in the "90s some architect or designer / engineer type came up with a great renovation plan for the current Ballpark.

 

It was a three year deal as I recall. The results were spectacular. The park maintained it's overall charm and feel while being upgraded in every way including capacity.

 

I remember being handed a card asking my opinion while at a game. The old owners decided to stand pat.

[a700hitter]

Some truth there. Personally, I will decry the new ballpark exactly as long as it takes for a pennant to get there.

There's no decrying in baseball.

[Ogden]

The word suburb threw me.

 

I did not even think about the Globe land. I have been aware that "Prune Face" owns the Globe but did not know that he owned the land.

 

To me, Morrisey Blvd is not in the suburbs. It's in Dorchester, I believe.

 

In any case, I wonder if there is enough room in 20 acres. I doubt it.

 

 

Yep, Dorchester, near BC High, JFK library and UMass Boston. It might be an area where they want to build the Olympics stadium, I think.

[cp176]

Yep, Dorchester, near BC High, JFK library and UMass Boston. It might be an area where they want to build the Olympics stadium, I think.

 

Are the Globe offices down there? I am pretty sure that is one of the areas that was discussed as being a potential site for the new ballpark..

[Northern Star]

Time to move on from Fenway - but keep the park as close to downtown as possible.

[Ogden]

Are the Globe offices down there? I am pretty sure that is one of the areas that was discussed as being a potential site for the new ballpark..

 

 

Yes, right off the expressway.