2013 Yankee Hot Stove Thread

[pinstripezac]

OK zac WTF are RSPs? I assume you have a pic ready to go.

 

 

good call bob

 

thanks 4 playing

 

didn't resign cano

mostly because they feared those RSP's showing up again

and we know they would of shown up

Edited January 29, 2014 by pinstripezac

[Bellhorn04]

LOL that is funny. zac, can I please see your truck day pic again, the one with Cherington, and Pedroia on the sled...that one kills me.

[pinstripezac]

LOL that is funny. zac, can I please see your truck day pic again, the one with Cherington, and Pedroia on the sled...that one kills me.

 

thanks

 

truck day

Edited January 29, 2014 by pinstripezac

[seabeachfred]

good call bob

 

thanks 4 playing

 

didn't resign cano

mostly because they feared those RSP's showing up again

and we know they would of shown up

 

Pin---just because I dislike the Yankees has nothing to do with how I feel about you. You're a total class act in my book. Glad you post here and glad to see Jacko here as well. If you notice not all Red Sox fans act like a happy family at times around here, but when it comes to the Red Sox we do tend to draw together.

[pinstripezac]

thanks fred

[BSN07]

thanks

 

truck day

 

lmao

[Spudboy]

The truck day gif is funny.

[pinstripezac]

thanks guys

 

what no love 4 them red sox parrots ;-)

[jacksonianmarch]

Reports saying the Yankees are interested in Rodney. That'd be great. I've said for awhile that they needed on more pen arm and they're ready for battle

[Spudboy]

Reports saying the Yankees are interested in Rodney. That'd be great. I've said for awhile that they needed on more pen arm and they're ready for battle

 

One more arm? You're too smart to really believe that. Aren't you?

 

Almost the entire bullpen and rotation are suspect. The infield is a shambles and the outfield has no depth.

 

Ready for battle? I guess so. It will be a very hard and long battle for the Yankees this year if they don't acquire more of just about everything.

 

You know, every year I believe that the Yankees will be in the hunt for a divisional championship and a playoff run. Even last year when so many parts fell off of the cart I was convinced that the Yankees would find a way ( $$$ ) to get back into the thick of things. This year, I don't see that happening. In fact, I don't understand how any objective and fairly knowledgeable baseball fan could believe that the Yankees as currently constructed will be competitively viable and able to be there at the end.

 

I don't say these things because I am a Sox fan homer, hate the Yankees or their fans ( because I don't....well maybe most of the fans ). I say this because it's is quite obvious the Yankees are in poor shape.

Edited February 3, 2014 by Spudboy

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think the Yankees are quite done with their upgrades. They've come too far with the spending not to be willing to spend some more.

[Spudboy]

I don't think the Yankees are quite done with their upgrades. They've come too far with the spending not to be willing to spend some more.

 

I agree. I've said this recently in other words. Cashman is not done. But he sure has a long way to go!

[jacksonianmarch]

One more arm? You're too smart to really believe that. Aren't you?

 

Almost the entire bullpen and rotation are suspect. The infield is a shambles and the outfield has no depth.

 

Just to be clear, re-signing Kuroda and adding Tanaka made them more or less suspect? And do you really expect CC to throw up another clunker like last yr? Also, the OF has no depth? Dude, we have Gardner, Ellsbury, Soriano, Beltran and Ichiro. Our pen is suspect, but we have an elite reliever going into the closer's role and hopefully will be adding one more. That is our Achilles heel as of right now, that is for sure

 

You know, every year I believe that the Yankees will be in the hunt for a divisional championship and a playoff run. Even last year when so many parts fell off of the cart I was convinced that the Yankees would find a way ( $$$ ) to get back into the thick of things. This year, I don't see that happening. In fact, I don't understand how any objective and fairly knowledgeable baseball fan could believe that the Yankees as currently constructed will be competitively viable and able to be there at the end.

 

The Yankees finished 6 games back of the Rays for the final playoff spot. We lost Tex and Jeter for pretty much, the whole yr. We got a s*** year out of CC. We lost Granderson for the entire yr. Hell, we had to go to battle with our backup C, even though we went into the yr without a proven catcher. This yr, Tex and Jeter are healthy. We've added McCann, Beltran, and Ellsbury to the lineup as well. Soriano will be around for an entire year also. We'll have a platoon at 3b with Johnson and Sizemore and are relying on a fragile 2b to stay healthy. Those are the only two weaknesses in the lineup offensively. Our rotation will be solid, in all likelihood. I am not sure how you cannot fathom an underachieving and injured Yankee team rebounding after a disastrous season. It's not like the sox just did that or anything.

[rjortiz]

Just to be clear, re-signing Kuroda and adding Tanaka made them more or less suspect? And do you really expect CC to throw up another clunker like last yr? Also, the OF has no depth? Dude, we have Gardner, Ellsbury, Soriano, Beltran and Ichiro. Our pen is suspect, but we have an elite reliever going into the closer's role and hopefully will be adding one more. That is our Achilles heel as of right now, that is for sure

 

I like their rotation, but I wouldn't bet on them making it through the whole season. Not just the Yankees, but any pitching staff. I expect a Sabathia rebound, but not at his peak levels.

 

You can't seriously call Soriano and Ichiro quality depth. Ichiro was awful last year, and Soriano is a 38 year old DH, with no OBP skills. In the chance he has to play LF, he's a big step down from Gardner. Also, who would take the DH AB's since Soriano would be pushed into LF?

 

The Yankees finished 6 games back of the Rays for the final playoff spot. We lost Tex and Jeter for pretty much, the whole yr. We got a s*** year out of CC. We lost Granderson for the entire yr. Hell, we had to go to battle with our backup C, even though we went into the yr without a proven catcher. This yr, Tex and Jeter are healthy. We've added McCann, Beltran, and Ellsbury to the lineup as well. Soriano will be around for an entire year also. We'll have a platoon at 3b with Johnson and Sizemore and are relying on a fragile 2b to stay healthy. Those are the only two weaknesses in the lineup offensively. Our rotation will be solid, in all likelihood. I am not sure how you cannot fathom an underachieving and injured Yankee team rebounding after a disastrous season. It's not like the sox just did that or anything.

 

The Yankees had a negative RD last year. They weren't a legitimate 85 win team. They played more like a sub .500 team. They upgraded in CF, and C, but they took a massive step back at 2B. Losing Cano negates a lot of the value they brought in with McCann and Ellsbury. I also think you're ignoring the defensive liabilities that Jeter and Beltran are, and are too optimistic in projecting rebound years from players coming off injury. Age is never mentioned in your post. Jeter is 40, Beltran is 36, Teixeira will be 34, and Soriano is 38. The rest of that team isn't exactly young either. Injuries and performance decline is a huge risk for this team, and they don't have the depth to sustain multiple injuries.

Edited February 4, 2014 by rjortiz

[rjortiz]

One more arm? You're too smart to really believe that. Aren't you?

 

Almost the entire bullpen and rotation are suspect. The infield is a shambles and the outfield has no depth.

 

Ready for battle? I guess so. It will be a very hard and long battle for the Yankees this year if they don't acquire more of just about everything.

 

You know, every year I believe that the Yankees will be in the hunt for a divisional championship and a playoff run. Even last year when so many parts fell off of the cart I was convinced that the Yankees would find a way ( $$$ ) to get back into the thick of things. This year, I don't see that happening. In fact, I don't understand how any objective and fairly knowledgeable baseball fan could believe that the Yankees as currently constructed will be competitively viable and able to be there at the end.

 

I don't say these things because I am a Sox fan homer, hate the Yankees or their fans ( because I don't....well maybe most of the fans ). I say this because it's is quite obvious the Yankees are in poor shape.

 

The Astros are in poor shape. The Yankees are an above-average team in the AL East. They are better at every position except 2B, and CL. They have a very strong starting rotation, especially the front four. Even Phelps isn't a horrible 5th starter.

 

They only problems I have with Jacksonian's prediction is that he doesn't mention injury risk, age, or defense. There's also wild optimism about some players. Worst of all, he keeps touting the fact that they won 86 games, despite the fact that they actually won 85 games. He also leaves out the -21 RD, which makes those 85 wins look extremely lucky. Finally, the logic behind minimizing the Cano loss is annoying. Actually, that's the worst part. He does a positional comparison from 2013 to 2014, and weighs them all equally. It's hard to explain, but I'll try:

 

2013 C vs 2014 C - Edge 2014

2013 1B vs 2014 1B - Edge 2014

2013 2B vs 2014 2B - Edge 2013

2013 SS vs 2014 SS - Edge 2014

2013 3B vs 2014 3B - Edge 2014

2013 LF vs 2014 LF - Edge 2014

2013 CF vs 2014 CF - Edge 2014

2013 RF vs 2014 RF - Edge 2014

2013 DH vs 2014 DH - Edge 2014

 

It seems like he's fixated on the 8:1, and thinks that the improvement is to that magnitude. I'm surprised he isn't reaching the conclusion that the Yankees are an 100 win team. For the record, I have them between 80-89 wins.

Edited February 4, 2014 by rjortiz

[Bellhorn04]

I'm baffled that the Yankees haven't done more about their bullpen. They spend hundreds of millions but they won't outbid the Rays for Balfour?

[jacksonianmarch]

I think they are content with giving the closers job to Robertson and are only willing to pay setup money for a reliever. I have said it 1,000 times, they need one more veteran reliever. We have a cadre of kids with powerful arsenals who are MLB ready. But having a closer and setup man in place allows them to not be baptized by fire

[Bellhorn04]

I think they are content with giving the closers job to Robertson and are only willing to pay setup money for a reliever. I have said it 1,000 times, they need one more veteran reliever. We have a cadre of kids with powerful arsenals who are MLB ready. But having a closer and setup man in place allows them to not be baptized by fire

 

Robertson may very well be able to do the job as closer, but he needs to be replaced as setup guy. As of today they're down one pretty big piece from last year's bullpen.

[BSN07]

In an effort to replenish a bleak farm system, the Yankees are preparing to "spend wildly" on the international free agent market this summer, industry sources tell Andrew Marchand and Wallace Matthews of ESPNNewYork.com. Kiley McDaniel of Scout.com reported in late December that New York was planning to incur penalties by spending $12MM to $15MM on the approaching 2014-15 international signing period. The new signing season, which kicks off (as always) on July 2, is believed by many to offer a particularly strong crop of talent.

 

The Yankees are allotted just over $2MM to spend on international free agents this summer, but the ESPNNewYork.com duo reports that the club may spend a staggering $18MM in bonuses as they look to restock their minor league ranks with high-upside talent. Such an expenditure would come with the harshest of penalties laid out in the newest CBA; the Yankees would pay a 100 percent tax on their overage and would not be allowed to sign a player for more than $250K in the following international signing period. While those measures are undoubtedly harsh, they haven't stopped the Cubs and Rangers from spending more than $8MM each on international free agents during the current signing period.

 

Via mlbtr.

[Palodios]

Via mlbtr.

 

This has been reported in the past as well. It makes plenty of sense, but I wonder if other teams will stand for it. When owners collectively got together put spending limits on international free agents, it was meant to prevent this kind of behavior. After bailing the Yankees out of Arod's contract, it would be awful to see the MLB bail the Yankees out of a s***-poor farm system too.

[Palodios]

There is a mystery team trying to get Ervin Santana. Smells like the Yankees to me.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pal, the Cubs and Rangers did the same thing last yr

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees are in on Aledmys Diaz. He's a good hitter with projectable power and a glove that should stick at SS. Sign him NOW Cashman, let him play in AAA for 2014 and let him take over in 2015

[BSN07]

This has to be their main goal on the international front. They have absolutely nothing in the minors for a long term solution at SS.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees sign Andrew Bailey. Lol

[Thunder]

Yankees sign Andrew Bailey. Lol

 

Fine with me. He'll close a few games for you when Robertson gets tired, then find a way to tear an ACL or damage his elbow and need TJS.

[jacksonianmarch]

He cannot be counted on. We apparently have a 2015 option. He's fine as depth, but he better not be who we figure to be the setup man

[a700hitter]

Yankees sign Andrew Bailey. Lol

I am glad to get rid of that useless fat turd.

[a700hitter]

Brett Gardner, Yankees Agree To Four-Year Extension

By Charlie Wilmoth [February 23, 2014 at 6:11pm CST]

 

5:11pm: There are differing reports on the annual breakdown of the deal's guaranteed years. Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweeted earlier that Gardner will receive $12.5MM during each of year of the deal, as well as a $1MM bonus if he's traded during the life of the contract. Heyman tweets that Gardner will earn a $2MM signing bonus, then annual salaries of $12MM (2015), $13MM (2016), $12MM (2017), and $11MM (2018).

 

1:10pm: Outfielder Brett Gardner and the Yankees have agreed to a four-year extension worth $52MM, CBS Sports' Jon Heyman tweets. Jack Curry of the YES Network was the first to report (on Twitter) a deal between the two sides was nearly complete and it would be worth $52MM. The extension for the client of Pro Star Management begins in 2015 and includes a $12.5MM team option with a $2MM buyout. There are no incentives or bonuses included the contract, tweets MLBDailyDish.com's Chris Cotillo.

 

"It's something that's been in the works for a little while," Gardner said (as quoted by Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News). "I made it known to them that I wanted to stay here and be a part of this. I learned from guys that come from other places that there's no better place to play, so I look forward to staying here and helping the team win."

 

Yankees GM Brian Cashman told reporters, including Curry (Twitter links ), negotiations began with agent Joe Bick during the Winter Meetings and was hopeful something could be worked out because the 30-year-old was one of the Yankees' best players last season.

 

"I like what he brings -- the speed dynamic, the defense and I think the offense is there as well," Cashman said (as quoted by MLB.com's Joey Nowak). "Although he's going to be playing left field most of the time for us, I think he's one of the better leadoff/center fielders that this game can provide."

 

Cashman also said some contract language still needs to be ironed out, but the extension is a done deal (via Curry's Twitter feed). ESPN's Buster Olney tweets Michael Bourn's four-year, $48MM deal with the Guardians a year ago was a comparable used during negotiations.

 

Gardner will make $5.6MM in 2014, his final season before free agency eligibility. His future with the Yankees briefly seemed to be in doubt after the Yankees acquired Jacoby Ellsbury and Carlos Beltran this offseason, as there were plenty of rumors that the Yankees might trade him. In late December, however, the Yankees said they had "absolutely no intention" of trading Gardner, and this deal reveals their high level of commitment to him. That high level committment, however, does not involve a no-trade clause. Curry tweets Gardner asked about no-trade protection, but the Yankees did not want to do it.

 

Gardner's extension removes him from the free agent corner outfield market next offseason. Gardner agruably would have headlined the group, which, per MLBTR's 2015 Free Agents list, could include Michael Cuddyer, Norichika Aoki, Josh Willingham, Torii Hunter and Melky Cabrera.

This is surprising in light of the big contract for Ellsbury.

[rjortiz]

He's better in LF, and they have no young talent to take that position away from Gardner anyway.

 

I like it. It's a good contract.