2013 Yankee Hot Stove Thread

[BudLight]

The Mariners must have offered Cano a 15 to 20 year contract based on the comment below:

 

[h=1]Mariners May Have Topped Yankees' Offer To Cano[/h]By Steve Adams [December 4 at 3:07pm CST]

3:07pm: The Mariners may have topped the Yankees' offer to Cano, a source tells Anthony McCarron of the New York Daily News. That same source indicated to McCarron that the Mariners are pursuing Cano "guns-a-blazing," and making the pitch to Cano that he can either be a Yankee legend or be a baseball legend by helping the Mariners win their first World Series.

Cano is a very good player but he alone cannot get Seattle to the World Series. How did that Pujols and Hamilton to the Angels work out Robbie in helping the Angels win a world series??

[Hoplite]

Mariners actually aren't that far off from being competitive. They have good players to build around (King Felix, Iwakuma, Ramirez, Paxton, Seager, Farquhar, Franklin, Miller, Zunino, Montero and Almonte. Almonte especially really blossomed last year after the Yankees traded him. They have one of the top farm systems in baseball to make some trades and they have a ton of money to spend. Forbes lists them as the 12th most valuable MLB franchise and they only have $30 million committed to next year.

[Hoplite]

They've also recently paid off Safeco and gotten a new TV deal.

[Northern Star]

Gordon Edes on espn.com, about Ellsbury:

 

He is an elite player offensively and defensively

 

That first part might be the biggest crock of s*** I've heard from ESPN this year.

[seabeachfred]

If the Yankee's do not sign Cano you cannot justify this deal and I'll be glad as a Red Sox fan as that will not improve their team trading off Cano for Ellsbury.

 

 

That's a very big damn IF!!!!!!

[User Name]

So apparently the Mariners are honestly trying to make a move for Cano, and if they sign him, would be willing to trade Taijuan Walker for David Price. I mean, talk is cheap, but what if they're being real about it?

[marklmw]

So apparently the Mariners are honestly trying to make a move for Cano, and if they sign him, would be willing to trade Taijuan Walker for David Price. I mean, talk is cheap, but what if they're being real about it?

 

I would love to see Cano and Price in Seattle ... make it happen

[seabeachfred]

I would love to see Cano and Price in Seattle ... make it happen

 

I second that Mark and User. Let's see that happen.

[Palodios]

Price + Cano to Seattle makes the AL West insane. Houston will win 15 games next year.

[marklmw]

Price + Cano to Seattle makes the AL West insane. Houston will win 15 games next year.

 

It would also make NYY and Rays weaker. Go Seattle!

[Bellhorn04]

Price + Cano to Seattle makes the AL West insane. Houston will win 15 games next year.

 

I'll believe it when I see it though. Can Cano really pull the trigger on spending the second half of his career in the Great Northwest?

[BSN07]

Apparently the Mariners are playing up the "you can be another Yankee legend or a baseball legend by helping Seattle to it's first WS title" angle. I think if they got Price first it would make them more appealing. If they pull that off before Cano signs elsewhere(I still think the Nats are a darkhorse) they have a punchers chance imo.

[seabeachfred]

Apparently the Mariners are playing up the "you can be another Yankee legend or a baseball legend by helping Seattle to it's first WS title" angle. I think if they got Price first it would make them more appealing. If they pull that off before Cano signs elsewhere(I still think the Nats are a darkhorse) they have a punchers chance imo.

 

BSN, you guys are really trying to vamp up my enthusiasm for what MIGHT happen. It would be all time if Cano left the New Yorkers but as Bellhorn says, I'll believe it when I see it. I wonder if you and others really believe that Robbie would leave the Yanks for the West Coast. Man, I sure hope you gents are on to something because it so the Yanks are pretty right back where they started. They get Ells and lose Cano? That's a net loss in my book. McCann's signing gives it a slight plus.....Mariano and Pettitte leaving make it a minus again. Or am I also out on a limb? It all comes down to Robinson Cano's destination.

[Meh]

I know this is just a person's suggestion and not a rumor, but this wouldn't be so bad...

 

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22345

2. Yankees acquire Aramis Ramirez from the Brewers for Dante Bichette Jr., Mark Montgomery, and a PTBNL

This deal is all about the dollar signs. The three-year contract that Ramirez inked with the Brew Crew prior to the 2012 season was heavily backloaded, such that his 2014 salary of $16 million equals the sum of his combined compensation for 2012 and 2013. With their fall to the underside of the ultra-competitive NL Central, the Brewers have little incentive to carry such a heavy financial burden from a 35-year-old player coming off of a season that was marred by injuries, even though his offensive prowess remains intact.

 

In exchange, they get Dante Bichette Jr, who has the bloodlines and the familiar face to continue to inspire optimism, though his inability to crack a .340 SLG across 1,000 plate appearances in the Sally League may have worn out his welcome in the Yankees front office. Bichette still has his backers, and if the bat can come around, then he could eventually be a solution at a corner infield spot for the Brewers. Montgomery is a quality bullpen arm whose wipeout slider gives him end-game upside, and though his delivery can fall out of whack and lead to control issues, he could provide big-league value in short order if he can iron out some of the mechanical wrinkles.

 

The Yankees have some of the greatest financial resources in the game, but they are also keeping a close eye on the 2014 luxury tax figure of $189 million. In this sense, Ramirez is an ideal match, as the luxury-tax accounting uses the average annual value of the contract rather than individual-season totals, and the AAV of A-Ram's guaranteed deal is just $12 million. In addition, $6 million of his 2014 salary is deferred, with $3 million owed in 2017 and the other $3 million coming in 2018, a factor which allows the Yanks to delay much of the cost until some of their biggest contracts come off the books (Teixeira, Sabathia). Ramirez's $4 million buyout for 2015 is deferred as well, further spreading out the monetary burden.

 

And then there's the baseball ramifications to this deal: the Yanks get a source of power at the hot corner in the likely event that they are sans A-Rod for part or all of 2014, and even if Rodriguez gets back in the lineup, there will be room for Ramirez in the DH spot. An AL team is a more desirable destination for Ramirez given his age and recent injuries, as the presence of the DH should allow his bat to find its way into the lineup with greater regularity. With only one guaranteed year remaining on his contract Ramirez can be shown the door after the season to allow for that other old-and-busted third baseman to get back behind the wheel. —Doug Thorburn

I'd hate to monty go, but if that PTBNL is someone like Kalhne or another potenional rule 5 guy who falls through the draft unpicked, then I'd be okay with it. Reminds me a little of the nick swisher deal, but we'd be actually giving up a decent player and taking on a higher salary.

[Bellhorn04]

Apparently the Mariners are playing up the "you can be another Yankee legend or a baseball legend by helping Seattle to it's first WS title" angle. I think if they got Price first it would make them more appealing. If they pull that off before Cano signs elsewhere(I still think the Nats are a darkhorse) they have a punchers chance imo.

 

Punchers chance is a fitting description.

[redsoxrules]

Robinson Cano flew to Seattle to meet with the Mariners in person today, and the team has informed him that they are willing to pay as much as $230-240MM on a 10-year contract, according to Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportes.com (Spanish link).

 

Wow, I'd be surprise if Cano doesn't take this

[Bellhorn04]

Get r done M's!

[BudLight]

If the offer from the M's is accurate that is 23 to 24M AAV. The Yankees offer of 160/7 is 22.85M and if the reports that the Yanks would go as high as 175/7 are true that's 25M AAV. Not much difference here. Does Cano want to play in NY or Seattle seems to be the question now. At least the Yanks aren't outbidding themselves like they did with Ellsbury

[Meh]

Get r done M's!

 

I would think Red Sox fans would be praying the Yankees come in and top that offer or at least match it. Having Cano for ten years at that price would be another A-Rod or Tex or Giambi... or Ellsbury.

[redsoxrules]

I would think Red Sox fans would be praying the Yankees come in and top that offer or at least match it. Having Cano for ten years at that price would be another A-Rod or Tex or Giambi... or Ellsbury.

 

No, I would prefer the Mariners to sign him as that would be a big blow for the Yankee's to lose their top power hitter and at this point the Yankee's won't be really improved going forward

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Wow, I'd be surprise if Cano doesn't take this

 

Same here, that's a massive contract right there. Fingers crossed that he takes the deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cano should just take the deal. That's f***ing insane

[jacksonianmarch]

Rosenthal says the M's offer did not cross $200 mil.

[User Name]

The Mariners are "about to offer" Cano a nine-year, $225MM deal, CBS Sports' Jon Heyman reports. Heyman indicates that Seattle is bidding $225MM to stay $50MM ahead of the Yankees, whose don't want to top $175MM.

 

Plz happen.

[marklmw]

If the offer from the M's is accurate that is 23 to 24M AAV. The Yankees offer of 160/7 is 22.85M and if the reports that the Yanks would go as high as 175/7 are true that's 25M AAV. Not much difference here. Does Cano want to play in NY or Seattle seems to be the question now. At least the Yanks aren't outbidding themselves like they did with Ellsbury

 

You have faulty logic here. You are only talking about AAV ... Are the Yankees going to move from 7 years to 10?

3 extra years added to 7 years is a 43% increase. Cano would be a absolute fool not to take this contract especially since the Yankees are not going to be good for a long time.

[marklmw]

Cano should just take the deal. That's f***ing insane

He would be a fool not to. Especially since Seattle has a more promising future than the Yankees. Seattle has a much better chance of winning their division over the next 5-7 years. If Seattle goes after Price you will really have a contender.

[marklmw]

I would think Red Sox fans would be praying the Yankees come in and top that offer or at least match it. Having Cano for ten years at that price would be another A-Rod or Tex or Giambi... or Ellsbury.

 

You wish we felt this way. We enjoy winning now and the addition of Ellsbury with the loss of Cano is a net loss to the Yankees. Now let's hope that Tanaka is staying put in Japan.

[seabeachfred]

You have faulty logic here. You are only talking about AAV ... Are the Yankees going to move from 7 years to 10?

3 extra years added to 7 years is a 43% increase. Cano would be a absolute fool not to take this contract especially since the Yankees are not going to be good for a long time.

 

The Yankees will call and raise on the Mariners and the M's gutless GM will back down as he always does. Mark my words. Yankee words mean s***. They say they won't go higher but they will. They always do....and the Mariner GM always backs down on everything.

[BudLight]

You wish we felt this way. We enjoy winning now and the addition of Ellsbury with the loss of Cano is a net loss to the Yankees. Now let's hope that Tanaka is staying put in Japan.

Guess you can spin it that way if you believe the most valuable offensive addition to the Yankees thus far this off season is Ellsbury. I would argue that the addition of Ellsbury and McCann and the subtraction of Cano and Stewart is a net gain.

[Palodios]

Heyman reporting that the Mariners are preparing a 225 million dollar to Cano. 50 mill above the Yankee's best offer. That might be it.