2014 Roster Projections

[sk7326]

well I'm not sure about that, let's give him a full season first and we'll see.

 

if what you are saying turns into a reality, IMO his departure will be called as a mistake even with XB around.

 

The jury is out certainly - at the same time Bogaerts is an MVP-level upside ... with a resume to date which historically is a near guarantee of relevance. Trading Iglesias was not a mistake - you have to trade somebody to get help, and Iglesias was not one of your blue chippers. Regarding XB - Guys who can compete - not even be a superstar - in the bigs at his age almost never fail. The only argument is whether he will max out at "starter" vs "someone to tell your kids about".

[iortiz]

Also, what line is JUST good enough IYO sk?

[iortiz]

It's not a mistake when you acquire a piece that helps you win a World Series. They didn't need Iggy once Drew was healthy. It was better to move him for a starter.

 

Peavy? mmm... While he made a decent work -- probably it is too much credit specially at POs --, He wouldn't be called a key piece that helped to win the WS IMO.

Edited January 29, 2014 by iortiz

[sk7326]

Also, what line is JUST good enough IYO sk?

 

With Iglesias' glove ... an empty .270 or so works ... last year 25% of his bWAR came from defense. In 2012, all of his positive bWAR came on that side too. The caliber of the SS cohort has been shrinking a bit too offensively. He really could be a Mark Belanger equivalent or mid-career Omar Vizquel and be completely effective. (those are still open questions, but you get the idea)

[redsoxrules]

Well Iglesias proved he could hit JUST enough for his glove to play ... and the Red Sox were able to transform him into a proven mid-rotation starter. If you ask me, that'd be a pretty good result for the org.

 

Iglesias proved he can be lucky and hit 25 dinky infield singles. That won't happen every year.

I'd be surprise if he can hit 250 next year.

[mvp 78]

Peavy? mmm... While he made a decent work -- probably it is too much credit specially at POs --, He wouldn't be called a key piece that helped to win the WS IMO.

 

He wasn't a "key piece," but he was more usefull than Iggy would have been sitting on the bench. XB and Drew were both better options than Iggy when September rolled around.

[sk7326]

Iglesias proved he can be lucky and hit 25 dinky infield singles. That won't happen every year.

I'd be surprise if he can hit 250 next year.

 

He doesn't have to be especially good offensively to be playable with a glove like his ... especially in a situation like Detroit where they have enough pop to hold their nose and endure it. The Iglesias who was here in 2012 whose nearly half of his at-bats were either strikeouts or infield popups was not even that good.

[iortiz]

He wasn't a "key piece," but he was more usefull than Iggy would have been sitting on the bench. XB and Drew were both better options than Iggy when September rolled around.

 

XB, sure, Dew? he was an automatic out in POs.

[sk7326]

XB, sure, Dew? he was an automatic out in POs.

 

And was so good defensively they had to keep playing him despite his horrendous slump.

[iortiz]

And was so good defensively they had to keep playing him despite his horrendous slump.

 

Any Iggy's O-contribution would have better than Drew's. Iggy's glove is better. Better O, Better D = Better option.

[User Name]

Man that .586 OPS would certainly been a huge upgrade even if you consider the key mishaps Iggy had during the postseason. That argument makes no sense.

[sk7326]

Any Iggy's O-contribution would have better than Drew's. Iggy's glove is better. Better O, Better D = Better option.

 

There is very little you can judge about any hitter from a crappy 16 game stretch - which most players can have. Iglesias could hit .600 during that time and it would have proved just as little. Over a meaningful sample of ABs, Drew was a much more dangerous hitter - that wasn't really close. Drew was 8th among SSs in WAR last year with fewer PAs than anybody above him except for the out of nowhere year HanRam had. A 16 game slump is not dispositive of this.

[redsoxrules]

DREW> IGGY and it's not even close.

Iggy made not one but TWO key errors that helped the Tigers lose.

 

Drew is much better with the bat and just as good on defense.

[iortiz]

Well, I said that in a retrospective way. Of course Drew has a better bat than Iggy unless Iggy proves the opposite in the near future. I'm still thinking that Iggy has a better D. Probably not that much but better. My point is that the "Drew over Iglesis IN 2013 POs" is debatable, since Drew's horrendous slump.

[mvp 78]

Well, I said that in a retrospective way. Of course Drew has a better bat than Iggy unless Iggy proves the opposite in the near future. I'm still thinking that Iggy has a better D. Probably not that much but better. My point is that the "Drew over Iglesis" IN 2013 POs is debatable, since Drew's horrendous slump.

 

Not debateable. In hindsight you could try to fashion all sorts of incorrect arguments. If Iggy, XB and Drew were all on the roster in the postseason, Iggy doesn't leave the bench.

[iortiz]

Not debateable. In hindsight you could try to fashion all sorts of incorrect arguments. If Iggy, XB and Drew were all on the roster in the postseason, Iggy doesn't leave the bench.

We'll never know, considering Drew's slump.

Edited January 29, 2014 by iortiz

[mvp 78]

We'll never now, considering Drew's slump.

 

With how much Farrell wants Drew to come back, I think we kinda know what he would have done.

[iortiz]

With how much Farrell wants Drew to come back, I think we kinda know what he would have done.

 

I think that he wanted him back because he didn't have a better combo option at SS AND 3B -- WM certainly wasn't at the time -- and Iggy at least was hitting when he left. As I said, we'll never know.

Edited January 29, 2014 by iortiz

[VA Sox Fan]

Good news.

 

That is good news!! Glad Rem-Dawg is coming back. Did you read some of the harsh comments by people responding to the article? Brutal.

[a700hitter]

That is good news!! Glad Rem-Dawg is coming back. Did you read some of the harsh comments by people responding to the article? Brutal.

No. I did not. Hopefully , Remy ignores them.

[seabeachfred]

He can't hit but he's supposed to be the future? i do not get it.

 

mvp was pretty much correct on that iortiz. Actually Vasquez isn't a totally crappy hitter; he has shown some improvement there, but Swihart projects as a potentially solid hitter for both average and improving and developing power. I got to watch a film clip on Sawxheads on him after he signed and as an old has-been baseball coach I was very deeply impressed with his bat control, his ability to stay inside the ball and his ability to hit down on the high pitches and use the whole field on pitches away from him. He was an outstanding high school hitter. As for Javier, he could still make the team as second catcher and it wouldn't surprise me on days when they want to let Swihart DH or play some other position that he could get enough action to keep him sharp. Nice to know we have two good catchers in our system.

[User Name]

Iglesias was hitting when he he left? He had a .464 OPS in July and was sucking balls when he was traded. These things take five seconds to check so you can avoid saying something untrue.

[VA Sox Fan]

No. I did not. Hopefully , Remy ignores them.

 

I hope he does! Brutal words about all 3 of his children and what a horrible parent he is etc. There were a lot of supportive comments as well.

[iortiz]

Iglesias was hitting when he he left? He had a .464 OPS in July and was sucking balls when he was traded. These things take five seconds to check so you can avoid saying something untrue.

 

Nice cherry picking. I meant the overall 2013 number. He hit .785 in BRS uniform and nobody knows how he could have ended up.

Edited January 29, 2014 by iortiz

[Palodios]

I just don't understand why people could give Remy so much s*** about the whole situation. He raised a steroid-induced scumbag, but that son probably had more opportunities in early life than most of us -- including a job at fenway park-- and he made his own decisions.

[mvp 78]

.391 in 2012

.654 with Tigers

 

.678 career

[mvp 78]

I just don't understand why people could give Remy so much s*** about the whole situation. He raised a steroid-induced scumbag, but that son probably had more opportunities in early life than most of us -- including a job at fenway park-- and he made his own decisions.

 

Because internet commenters are scumbags.

[iortiz]

.391 in 2012

.654 with Tigers

 

.678 career

 

It could be better, probably worse. Certainly, We'll never know in RS uniform. LOL!

[User Name]

Then what the hell were you arguing about? WTF?

[sk7326]

It could be better, probably worse. Certainly, We'll never know in RS uniform. LOL!

 

BTW, I will not sit here and say that I could not live with a .680 OPS vacuum cleaner at SS with the rest of our lineup. Iglesias would have been fine to me. But he's blocking a guy who has all of the markers of being "special" - yes, I know nothing is certain - and guys like that make guys like Iglesias trade bait, full stop.