2014 Roster Projections

[Bellhorn04]

Can't they just exercise it now and circumvent that problem ?

 

What problem would that circumvent?

 

As I understand it, exercising the option early would have no effect on the AAV. So you wouldn't accomplish anything by doing this.

[a700hitter]

What problem would that circumvent?

 

As I understand it, exercising the option early would have no effect on the AAV. So you wouldn't accomplish anything by doing this.

If they exercise the option, he will be under contract for 2015 at the league minimum. At that point they can trade that contract to another team. They can't trade the option but they can trade the contract once the option is exercised.

[Bellhorn04]

If they exercise the option, he will be under contract for 2015 at the league minimum. At that point they can trade that contract to another team. They can't trade the option but they can trade the contract once the option is exercised.

 

But what we've established is that, per Cafardo, the option travels with the contract.

[a700hitter]

But what we've established is that, per Cafardo, the option travels with the contract.

Even better.

[a700hitter]

$4.3 million on Bailey seems like a waste of money for 2014.

 

Red Sox To Tender Contract To Andrew Bailey

By Zach Links [December 1, 2013 at 12:58pm CST]

 

The Red Sox will tender a contract to Andrew Bailey, a source tells Joel Sherman of the New York Post (on Twitter). Sherman surmises the reliever can serve as insurance for the incumbent closer Koji Uehara and/or become a valuable trade chip this summer. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects that Bailey will earn $4.3MM through arbitraton, after earning $4.1MM during an injury-plagued 2013.

 

Bailey underwent shoulder surgery in July and is expected to miss the first half of the 2014 season making him a non-tender candidate. Brian MacPherson of the Providence Journal reports Bailey has made twice-weekly trips to Boston since the end of the season to work with Red Sox physicians and trainers and will begin his throwing program in January. The 29-year-old, however, refused to put a timetable on his rehab.

 

"I don't want to say I'm ahead of schedule, but things are going really well," Bailey told MacPherson.

 

Bailey saved eight games and pitched to a 3.77 ERA, 12.2 K/9, and 3.8 BB/9 in 28 2/3 innings (30 innings) before landing on the disabled list. Since being acquired by Boston two years ago, Bailey has struggled with thumb and shoulder injuries limiting his production to 14 saves in 49 appearances covering 44 innings. In his previous three seasons with Oakland, Bailey was the 2009 AL Rookie of the Year and a two-time All-Star with 75 saves in 157 appearances (174 innings).

 

Edward Creech contributed to this post.

[marklmw]

$4.3 million on Bailey seems like a waste of money for 2014.

How arbitration works with injured players is a mystery to me. How about Bailey pay back the Red Sox for the last two years.

[marklmw]

On MLB Trade rumors.com

 

Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports. The Red Sox haven't set deadlines for any of their free agents to accept offers, but a source tells Bradford that the Sox are "certainly working on other options, also." The Red Sox told at least one player that they would soon need to make plans to potentially acquire another player to take his place.

 

The section that I made bold I feel as though to be fairly significant. I am guessing that the player they are referring to is Saltalamachia and talking about Hanigan.

 

Or perhaps Hart to replace Napoli.

[Palodios]

Or perhaps Hart to replace Napoli.

 

The thing about Hart is that he is getting tests done on his knees in December, and the Red Sox should take a look at those before signing him.

[marklmw]

The thing about Hart is that he is getting tests done on his knees in December, and the Red Sox should take a look at those before signing him.

 

This is true ... the reports are due this week in fact.

[Palodios]

$4.3 million on Bailey seems like a waste of money for 2014.

 

I was on the fence... until I realized he isn't even going to be back until midway through 2014. I hope this report is not true.

[Station 13]

4.3M for maybe 10-20 innings from Bailey, that's irresponsible spending again. Now they will pay Dempster and Bailey close to 20M combine for 2014 for maybe 1WAR at best.

[marklmw]

4.3M for maybe 10-20 innings from Bailey, that's irresponsible spending again. Now they will pay Dempster and Bailey close to 20M combine for 2014 for maybe 1WAR at best.

 

Yeah I don't get the Bailey play ... Dempster they will try to deal as they have 4 guys at league minimum who can deliver Dempster type results. Bailey was not good even before he re-injured himself in 2013. When is enough ... just that ... enough. And we are arguing about signing Ellsbury ... that 4M can go towards Ell's contract ... 18M - 4M = net 14M for 2014.

[User Name]

Who said Bailey's getting tendered? If anything, he's viewed as a non-tender candidate. As for Dempster, no one yet knows what's going to happen to him. What's with you people and the leaps of faith when trying to make points?

[User Name]

Yeah I don't get the Bailey play ... Dempster they will try to deal as they have 4 guys at league minimum who can deliver Dempster type results. Bailey was not good even before he re-injured himself in 2013. When is enough ... just that ... enough. And we are arguing about signing Ellsbury ... that 4M can go towards Ell's contract ... 18M - 4M = net 14M for 2014.

 

This makes no sense. 2014 is not the problem with the Sox signing Ellsbury. We've been over this. It's the back-end of the contract.

[Palodios]

Are we still complaining about Dempster? The guy has been consistently a 2-4 WAR guy his entire career, gives innings, and is willing to move to the bullpen. His value should be magnified because of what we saw happen to the 2010 team, and because of the contributions he made to the 2013 playoff run.

 

Vargas for 4/32.

Hughes got 3/24.

Edwin Jackson got 4/52.

Nolasco got 4/49.

 

Dempster's contract is a bargain compared to what some of those guys got this year.

[marklmw]

Are we still complaining about Dempster? The guy has been consistently a 2-4 WAR guy his entire career, gives innings, and is willing to move to the bullpen. His value should be magnified because of what we saw happen to the 2010 team, and because of the contributions he made to the 2013 playoff run.

 

Vargas for 4/32.

Hughes got 3/24.

Edwin Jackson got 4/52.

Nolasco got 4/49.

 

Dempster's contract is a bargain compared to what some of those guys got this year.

 

Maybe I am misinformed but I think Dempster is due 13M in 2014 and his 2013 WAR was -.2 he is old and washed up. I would rather give his spot to the rookies at league minimum.

Edited December 2, 2013 by marklmw

[marklmw]

This makes no sense. 2014 is not the problem with the Sox signing Ellsbury. We've been over this. It's the back-end of the contract.

 

Really UN ... come on man. I know I know His legs are going to fall off and his bat is going to slow and his eyes are going to become weak and he won't be able to see ... and he will need a walker to get around the bases in 5 years. Let's say Boston pays him 17-18M for 6 years and it turns out that his value was = 18M for 5 of the 6 years. But he makes us a lot deeper and stronger as defending champs in 2014 and 2015. Oh well ... you and I will never see eye to eye on Ellsbury ... I value him as a premier lead-off hitter more than you do. I like Victorino but I do not see him as an Ellsbury to lead off the game. But .. remember ... I do respect your opinion.

[a700hitter]

Maybe I am misinformed but I think Dempster is due 13M in 2014 and his 2013 WAR was -.2 he is old and washed up.

Dempster's contract was money down the drain.

[Palodios]

Maybe I am misinformed but I think Dempster is due 13M in 2014 and his 2013 WAR was -.2 ... His average WAR over the past 4 seasons is 1.1 ... he is old and washed up.

 

Don't make up numbers please. His average bWar is 1.9 over the last 4 years, and his average fWar is 2.5 over the last 4 years.

[a700hitter]

As for Ellsbury, if he goes to the Yankees and we re-sign Salty, Ells could rack up 30-40 steals just against the Sox next season.

[Palodios]

As for Ellsbury, if he goes to the Yankees and we re-sign Salty, Ells could rack up 30-40 steals just against the Sox next season.

 

Until Andrew Miller gets a little wild, and nicks his funny bone, ending his season.

[BornToRun]

As for Ellsbury, if he goes to the Yankees and we re-sign Salty, Ells could rack up 30-40 steals just against the Sox next season.

 

We shouldn't sign people to keep them away from other teams.

[seabeachfred]

4.3M for maybe 10-20 innings from Bailey, that's irresponsible spending again. Now they will pay Dempster and Bailey close to 20M combine for 2014 for maybe 1WAR at best.

 

It's also dumb spending too Station. I mean Bailey has been a physical wreck both seasons he's been with us and not so effective as a closer when he was in one piece. I would have thought that $4.3 million could have been better well spent toward a new contract for Mike Napoli, Jarrod Saltalmacchia or even Jacoby Ellsbury if the Sox were considering resigning him. That's a paltry number when you consider how much those other three could cost us but it is still money that could be better spent.

[marklmw]

Don't make up numbers please. His average bWar is 1.9 over the last 4 years, and his average fWar is 2.5 over the last 4 years.

 

I made a mistake because in 2012 he split time between two teams. OK ... even with your numbers he is not worth 13M in 2014. Let's put it this way ... if it is true that the FO tendered Bailey at 4M + and Dempster is 13M = 17M+ ... Lets say we can sign Ellsbury at 108M / 6 years. 18 per. Now substract 17M from the Ellsbury contract = 91M / 6 years. 15M per. Seems like a better play to me. I would rather have Ellsbury at 15M for the next 6 years than to have Bailey and Dempster on our team next year.

[marklmw]

As for Ellsbury, if he goes to the Yankees and we re-sign Salty, Ells could rack up 30-40 steals just against the Sox next season.

^ Very Funny!

[marklmw]

Until Andrew Miller gets a little wild, and nicks his funny bone, ending his season.

 

Come on Palodios ... that's cold ... Miller's injury was a freak injury ... the guy was having a very productive season before his injury ... was he not? I also heard that he joined a local Cross-fit class so he should be better than ever.

[User Name]

It's also dumb spending too Station. I mean Bailey has been a physical wreck both seasons he's been with us and not so effective as a closer when he was in one piece. I would have thought that $4.3 million could have been better well spent toward a new contract for Mike Napoli, Jarrod Saltalmacchia or even Jacoby Ellsbury if the Sox were considering resigning him. That's a paltry number when you consider how much those other three could cost us but it is still money that could be better spent.

 

He hasn't been tendered a contract yet. That money has not been spent.

[User Name]

Come on Palodios ... that's cold ... Miller's injury was a freak injury ... the guy was having a very productive season before his injury ... was he not? I also heard that he joined a local Cross-fit class so he should be better than ever.

 

Palodios is talking about Miller hitting Ellsbury with a pitch, ending his season.

[marklmw]

Palodios is talking about Miller hitting Ellsbury with a pitch, ending his season.

 

ok ... I misread ... very funny!

[marklmw]

He hasn't been tendered a contract yet. That money has not been spent.

 

Who reported that he was tendered ... stop putting out false information people.