Trades before the deadline?

[MJantomaso]

It doesn't appear to be on his page. Not that I see anyways.

Probably bc I used curse words. My twitter is the same as my name here

[SoxFanForsyth]

Appears some of the regular national baseball writers starting to catch up with Rich Smith - Joel Sherman tweeting "Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 2m

On Lee, sense is #Redsox really focus. Bos has to decide whether to take on $70M plus give up 3 big prospects" as well as "Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 1m

Have been told #Redsox definitely have enough hi-end prospects to do Lee without Bogaerts #Phillies"

[mvp 78]

@pgammo: Xander Bogaerts is not being traded, period

[BornToRun]

@pgammo: Xander Bogaerts is not being traded, period

Good.

[mvp 78]

@Ken_Rosenthal: That last tweet should read, #Phillies’ Michael Young only WILL approve trade to #Rangers. Left out a word. Again: Full no-trade clause.

[BornToRun]

@Ken_Rosenthal: That last tweet should read, #Phillies’ Michael Young only WILL approve trade to #Rangers. Left out a word. Again: Full no-trade clause.

Oh the horror!

[Orange Juiced]

From mlbtraderumors: "Pitchers Ian Kennedy and J.J. Putz of the Diamondbacks and Kyle Farnsworth of the Rays "have suddenly been made available." Trading Kennedy would allow Arizona to clear around $1.4MM toward another move. Are they that hard up for cash?"

 

Ian Kennedy is someone I think the Sox should look at. Why?

 

1. He's under control through 2015, so the Sox would get him for 2+ seasons, minimum. No rental.

2. Not that expensive. Arbitration eligible for 2014, but he is but a fraction of Lee's cost.

3. Solid pitcher. From 2010-2012 his numbers are 3.55 era, 115 era+, 1.19 whip, 8.0 k/9.

4. The cost to acquire him shouldn't be that much. He's having a bad year this year, so you're buying very low on him.

 

And if you can get Putz as well, that helps both the rotation and the bullpen. Worth kicking the tires, anyway.

[BornToRun]

From mlbtraderumors: "Pitchers Ian Kennedy and J.J. Putz of the Diamondbacks and Kyle Farnsworth of the Rays "have suddenly been made available." Trading Kennedy would allow Arizona to clear around $1.4MM toward another move. Are they that hard up for cash?"

 

Ian Kennedy is someone I think the Sox should look at. Why?

 

1. He's under control through 2015, so the Sox would get him for 2+ seasons, minimum. No rental.

2. Not that expensive. Arbitration eligible for 2014, but he is but a fraction of Lee's cost.

3. Solid pitcher. From 2010-2012 his numbers are 3.55 era, 115 era+, 1.19 whip, 8.0 k/9.

4. The cost to acquire him shouldn't be that much. He's having a bad year this year, so you're buying very low on him.

 

And if you can get Putz as well, that helps both the rotation and the bullpen. Worth kicking the tires, anyway.

Interesting idea. I wonder what the price is.

[Orange Juiced]

Interesting idea. I wonder what the price is.

 

We should have plenty of good prospects to get that deal done, without touching any of our top 10-15 guys. (thats how deep the Sox' system is right now)

[mvp 78]

Norris, Lee and Peavy have all been scratched from their starts.

[redsoxfan3]

]Nick Cafardo ‏@nickcafardo 7m

 

At this hour the Red Sox weren't close to making any deal.

 

I am doubting the fact that we are going to land Lee. No way in hell we should deal Bogaerts for a 34 year old Lee. Lee would be nice to have, but if it means trading Bogaerts, then count me out. With Iglesias and Bogaerts both capable of playing 3B, Middlebrooks has to be dealt in a trade before Bogaerts. I personally do not want to trade Middlebrooks, but if that is an option that will give us a legitimate World Series run this year and will allow us to keep Bogaerts for the future, then that is the best solution. Peavy and Norris are still out there. I do not want to overpay to get Peavy. I am trusting the FO in this situation, but if I wake up tomorrow and Bogaerts is no longer in the organization, I am not going to be a happy camper.

[italstallianion]

I think Lee either goes to us or doesn't get traded at all. I see Peavy getting traded regardless of whether or not it's us. (Which I hope it isn't)

[redsoxfan3]

Does anyone know what it will take to land Norris? I know the Astros want a lot in return, but I am not sure what that consists of. He isn't a FA until 2016 and is only 28, but he does own a career 4.33 ERA and 1.404 WHIP. He is not an ace, and there is no way we should give up a return worth an ace for him.

[a700hitter]

Norris, Lee and Peavy have all been scratched from their starts.

That's very telling. I would expect that the talks for all 3 are very serious and in final stages.

[BornToRun]

Does anyone know what it will take to land Norris? I know the Astros want a lot in return, but I am not sure what that consists of. He isn't a FA until 2016 and is only 28, but he does own a career 4.33 ERA and 1.404 WHIP. He is not an ace, and there is no way we should give up a return worth an ace for him.

f***ing weird, man. I was just thinking whether to bring up Norris or not.

 

Edit: Not sure if I'm too interested. Just looked up his numbers real quick and his numbers away from Minute Maid are pretty awful.

Edited July 30, 2013 by BornToRun

[italstallianion]

That's very telling. I would expect that the talks for all 3 are very serious and in final stages.

 

I thought the Phillies said that Lee was experiencing "neck pain" haha great cover up.

[BornToRun]

Ken Rosenthal talking about trading Xander for Lee on MLBN right now.

 

He's a certified f***ing moron.

[dupree]

With Young saying he will only accept a trade to the Rangers, i say that the Lee deal wont take as many top prospects. Hopefully 2 Top 10 guys and a lower tier guy will pull it off. I think if Ben waits too long Lee will be gone.

[crc2120]

RichSmith

MLB Xander Bogaerts has not been a requirement in any Cliff Lee trade however I have heard that Phillies want Red Sox to include Bradley Jr

[crc2120]

Rich Smith

MLB - Red Sox & Phillies at stalemate in their trade discussions for Cliff Lee, Phillies refusing to back down on any of their requirements

[sk7326]

I suspect Norris is a guy whose price could tumble by tomorrow. Houston has one of the best scouting guys running their shop (Jeff Luhnow, former Cardinals assistant GM) - they are committed to trading anything not nailed down. Look at the Veras move - took an average reliever, gave him a coat of "proven closer" polish and dealt him to Detroit for a couple of prospects with some upside. Norris is not going to be around by the time they are good again, I expect that he could be had for a non-big 4 prospect (Bradley, Cecchini, Owens, Boegarts).

 

I don't think Boegarts is in Lee talks - Phillies have to know this, and if Boegarts was a deal breaker there would be no rumors. I think any of the other Big 4 prospects and certainly the upper-middle class level guys (Webster, Middlebrooks, Merrero, Britton) are all discussion-worthy. Personally my "prospect order" as far as guys I don't want to deal is: Bradley (some modest major league performance already, hard to find CFs), Cecchini, Owens (always risk with any below AA pitcher that position players don't have) and then everybody else. Also, if I am dealing one of these guys in a package, I'd like Philly to - if they won't pick up salary - at least part with a prospect that the team can dream on (you know, not a Top 100 guy maybe but a guy with something that can project - like Owens basically before the blossomng).

[crc2120]

Rich Smith

Red Sox and Rangers are the only 2 teams Phillies Michael Young will waive his NTC for, reportedly rejected the Yankees who were interested

[sk7326]

RichSmith

MLB Xander Bogaerts has not been a requirement in any Cliff Lee trade however I have heard that Phillies want Red Sox to include Bradley Jr

 

Tough ask. Not because it's not fair (Bradley is reasonable), but because CFs in general are hard to find and can hurt future positioning (read: Ellsbury for too much $$ or Victorino faking it)

[BornToRun]

RichSmith

MLB Xander Bogaerts has not been a requirement in any Cliff Lee trade however I have heard that Phillies want Red Sox to include Bradley Jr

Nope. Bringing in Lee makes keeping Ells much more difficult and having a cheap, productive replacement would help to make taking on Lee's contract a little more bearable. We would have a hole in center field if we gave up JBJ.

[dupree]

The Dodgers just signed Brian Wilson to a minors deal. What the f*** Ben.

[crc2120]

f*** this. Lets get this Lee deal done. Anything but Xander. Do it.

[BornToRun]

f*** this. Lets get this Lee deal done. Anything but Xander. Do it.

Can't say I agree. Rash decisions like this are how we turn into a team like the Phillies themselves. Full of big contracts that no one wants and a poor farm system.

[SoxSport]

Joel Sherman (NY) tweets Baseball execs have told him Young would wave no trade if traded to Red Sox.

 

This is consistent with what Rich Smith is saying, who may be ahead of the mainstream or faking it.

 

Phillies-Red Sox negotiations are being kept very closed to the media. Maybe Red Sox remember ARod circus. Plus Celtics efforts to trade with Clippers with media ahead of events.

[Behindenemylines]

Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports thinks we should trade Bogaerts (and more) for Cliff Lee. I'm posting the link in case anyone wants to sign in (or has an account) so they can tell him how much of a retard he is.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013

 

Rosenthal loses my respect by comparing this potential trade with the Beckett-Ramirez trade. Lee is going to be 35 and Beckett was 25. If the Sox make a trade for Lee it shouldn't include Bogaerts or Owens.

[italstallianion]

I was ok with losing out on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez due to the money and many question marks, but it's hard not to be disappointed in not signing Wilson.