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[a700hitter]

Brian Wilson Could Sign Soon

By Tim Dierkes [July 29 at 7:10pm CST]

 

7:10pm: The Pirates and Giants are both "serious suitors" for Wilson, who appears close to signing soon, according to Scott Miller of CBS Sports. Miller adds that the Diamondbacks and Dodgers have some level of interest as well, and he notes that Wilson "has an affinity for Los Angeles." The Phillies were also thought to have interest prior to the six-game skid that has pushed them firmly into their stance as sellers.

I haven't seen any reports linking him to the Red Sox.

[Palodios]

I haven't seen any reports linking him to the Red Sox.

 

There's always a mystery suitor.

[SoxSport]

The Rays stole Crain right out from everybody's noses. A conditional deal. His X rays look OK. Where were the Red Sox on him? It's the Red Sox that need to reinforce their bullpen.

 

As it is, if they had to face Price every game against the Rays, it would be all over. They can't take pitches against this guy. They should have played that game the other night not to face him tonite.

[User Name]

Had the Sox traded for Crain: "Why are they targeting an injured reliever?". SoxSport logic.

[italstallianion]

From what I had heard earlier there were 5 teams in on Brian Wilson, four of which in the NL. Considering we didn't get Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez we definitely have the money for Wilson (or to eat in a trade)

 

Not that the MAG signing would have prevented us from having the money, but now we really have it. I'm pissed about Crain though, hopefully the piece they give up is of some value.

[dduncan6er]

The Rays stole Crain right out from everybody's noses. A conditional deal. His X rays look OK. Where were the Red Sox on him? It's the Red Sox that need to reinforce their bullpen.

 

As it is, if they had to face Price every game against the Rays, it would be all over. They can't take pitches against this guy. They should have played that game the other night not to face him tonite.

How do you know the Sox weren't in on him? Is it not possible the White Sox preferred what the Rays were willing to give up over what the Sox were offering?

[SoxSport]

We've lost 3 back end bullpen guys for the year. Do not downplay the fact that we are in need for bullpen help.

 

They have been slow in replacing them--getting unreal performances out of Uehara, Tazawa and Breslow, but how long will that last? Thornton is the only reinforcement and he is only a loogy replacement for Miller. Morales is supposed to be back soon.

 

The problem is you can't make plans based on the best possible scenario. More likely the worst often happens. That holds for Buchholz, too. No guarantees there.

[User Name]

Also, for the umpteenth time, Crain is injured. The Rays are taking a gamble here the Sox had no need to take. One slight setback and they wasted their time.

[SoxSport]

How do you know the Sox weren't in on him? Is it not possible the White Sox preferred what the Rays were willing to give up over what the Sox were offering?

 

doesn't look that way. it was a conditional deal--no players exchanged until end of season--depending on what Crain does. that sounds good to me.

[dduncan6er]

doesn't look that way. it was a conditional deal--no players exchanged until end of season--depending on what Crain does. that sounds good to me.

 

Do you know what the conditions are? Seems pretty ridiculous to criticize the Sox for not being in on this when you don't even know the conditions of the deal that was made.

[italstallianion]

Do you know what the conditions are? Seems pretty ridiculous to criticize the Sox for not being in on this when you don't even know the conditions of the deal that was made.

 

It seems to be something like they get only cash if Crain proves not to be healthy and a PTBNL if Crain proves to be healthy.

 

I'm not going to attack the Sox for not making a move, but I do give Tampa credit here, I think they purchased a low risk high reward lottery ticket. (Depending on who the PTBNL is) I would have rather had Crain than Thornton, but I don't know what his medicals are. I just hope the Sox add a good reliever by Wednesday.

[SoxSport]

This team needs a bat and bullpen help now! Lately if the other team puts up 3 runs I get extremely worried. Not to mention we have been blanked 3 times in the last nine games.

 

They are stacked with guys in AAA who can help them right now, but they are holding off with the status quo. Bogaerts and Middlebrooks can boost their hitting. Maybe they are holding back until after the trade deadline, but bringing up lesser players like Snyder and Holt isn't doing them much good (ha. Snyder hits a HR off Price tonite).

[dduncan6er]

It seems to be something like they get only cash if Crain proves not to be healthy and a PTBNL if Crain proves to be healthy.

 

I'm not going to attack the Sox for not making a move, but I do give Tampa credit here, I think they purchased a low risk high reward lottery ticket. (Depending on who the PTBNL is) I would have rather had Crain than Thornton, but I don't know what his medicals are. I just hope the Sox add a good reliever by Wednesday.

 

I would be all for it depending on the PTBNL. Provided it's not a prospect on the level of Ranaudo or Barnes, I think it's definitely fair to criticize Ben for not getting Crain.

[User Name]

They are stacked with guys in AAA who can help them right now, but they are holding off with the status quo. Bogaerts and Middlebrooks can boost their hitting. Maybe they are holding back until after the trade deadline, but bringing up lesser players like Snyder and Holt isn't doing them much good (ha. Snyder hits a HR off Price tonite).

 

What the hell are you talking about? WMB was demoted because he couldn't hit.

[User Name]

I would be all for it depending on the PTBNL. Provided it's not a prospect on the level of Ranaudo or Barnes, I think it's definitely fair to criticize Ben for not getting Crain.

 

It really isn't, because A) Crain is injured, B ) You don't know the quality of the PTBNL if Crain does prove healthy.

[italstallianion]

I would be all for it depending on the PTBNL. Provided it's not a prospect on the level of Ranaudo or Barnes, I think it's definitely fair to criticize Ben for not getting Crain.

 

Back in time PTBNL's used to be forgettable. Now, I believe RBDL was a PTBNL, and the Cubs might get Neil Ramirez from the Rangers as a PTBNL. These things matter. Now the crappy PTBNL's tend to get replaced by international draft slots.

[dduncan6er]

Did you read my post? I said myself it depends on the quality of the PTBNL.

 

Edit: This is in response to User Name

[User Name]

Did you read my post? I said myself it depends on the quality of the PTBNL.

 

I read your post. I was affirming what you had already stated. And again, Crain is injured.

 

We keep complaining about the Sox ending up with these "injured" or "injury prone" guys, yet whine when they don't go for 'em. Not saying you're doing it, but it seems to be a trend, at least in this website.

[dduncan6er]

Back in time PTBNL's used to be forgettable. Now, I believe RBDL was a PTBNL, and the Cubs might get Neil Ramirez from the Rangers as a PTBNL. These things matter. Now the crappy PTBNL's tend to get replaced by international draft slots.

 

Agreed. My whole original point in response to SoxSport was that we should wait to hear the conditions before criticizing Ben. Provided the PTBNL isn't a top 10 guy I believe it's far to ask why we couldn't make the deal happen.

[SoxSport]

Tweets say Red Sox closing in on Lee deal with Phillies. Young maybe included. Talking about money now.

[dduncan6er]

Are there any credible sources reporting that? All I've seen is some guy from a no name blog reporting it.

[jung]

I just don't know what to think about this one. Reports had us very interested in Crain but concerned that Crain had not been able to pitch recently, right when the Sox wanted to see something from him. Maybe you could credit the Rays for being creative enough to come up with a way to maybe get themselves an arm if they have protected themselves adequately. On the other hand, in this town, the FO gets strung up by the thumbs when stuff like this backfires.

 

There are still guys out there the Sox could get. If they do nothing for the pen, I guess I would remember this deal and might be disappointed. I would reserve judgement on this one for about a thousand reasons.

[SoxSport]

https://twitter.com/ALLsportsINTEL

 

we'll see.

 

following this guy's tweets, his source, if any, is in the Phillies org.

Edited July 30, 2013 by SoxSport

[jung]

Might have been a bit of Fenway magic there on Lavs hit. Generally teams know that they have to support the LFer trying to make plays at the Monster. Nobody seemed anywhere near helping the LFer on that.

[jung]

Come on NESN..give us a better angle than that. Christ that was no better an angle than the ump had.

[User Name]

Wrong thread guys.

[SoxSport]

I just don't know what to think about this one. Reports had us very interested in Crain but concerned that Crain had not been able to pitch recently, right when the Sox wanted to see something from him. Maybe you could credit the Rays for being creative enough to come up with a way to maybe get themselves an arm if they have protected themselves adequately. On the other hand, in this town, the FO gets strung up by the thumbs when stuff like this backfires.

 

There are still guys out there the Sox could get. If they do nothing for the pen, I guess I would remember this deal and might be disappointed. I would reserve judgement on this one for about a thousand reasons.

 

They have bigger fish to fry, if the rumor about Lee is true. The names include Bradley, Barnes and Cecchini. Also Young. They want Phillies to pay half Lee's salary.

[Spitball]

This is all I see and it does not inspire too much excitement.

 

[Dojji]

I wouldn't deal a top prospect for a player who also required that level of commitment in money and years.

[SoxSport]

Nothing much this morning. Rosenthal says Red Sox should give up Bogaerts for Lee, much like they gave up Hanley R. for Beckett. He doesn't say that Epstein didn't make that trade for Beckett--in fact, he probably wouldn't have. He didn't like to trade top prospects.

 

If the Red Sox do a deal for Lee, it will probably come from Henry-Lucchino, as most things of this size do, anyways. And, if you believe that rumor, it will involve Bradley, not Bogaerts.

 

Even if they get Lee, they are still vulnerable to LHP, in my view. They don't have Manny and Lowell. Though they could be better if they brought up Middlebrooks and Bogaerts for platooning vs LHP. They know they have a problem, which is why they are trying to get Young. But Young has never been a power hitter.