Trades before the deadline?

[BSN07]

I think they should be in on Brian Wilson when he starts throwing here shortly for teams. Will only cost money and will be some competition back there for Bailey.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I think they should be in on Brian Wilson when he starts throwing here shortly for teams. Will only cost money and will be some competition back there for Bailey.

 

I thought about this, but it seems a lot like what the Yankees did when they signed Youk to cover for ARod. Get a player coming off injury to cover for an injured player. Generally doesn't work out well, so I'm hesitant on that.

 

But I would be interested in Pap, who will likely be available

[dupree]

Agreed. Ive always loved to watch the Beard pitch. I think if he is back to form that he would be a great option. But who knows if he is back to form. Any reports on Wilson if hes back or not?

 

Ive had a feeling that Papelbon will be back in Boston ever since the reports came out that he may be out there. Im not saying its the right answer by no means but i think he will be looked at really hard by Ben. If we are gonna compete for this championship we have to have a lock down closer and an elite bullpen. We have an elite bullpen and we have a closer who has been lock down most of the year when healthy, he has just had a couple of shaky outings that has started people to get to talking more about adding another bullpen arm. Im in the thinking of always getting more pitching so i hope Ben can add one more bullpen arm and it would be a plus if he could close baring any injury to Bailey if it happens.

[User Name]

No Papelbon and his albatross contract plz.

[SoxFanForsyth]

No Papelbon and his albatross contract plz.

 

It's Pap and the money with a lower ceiling prospect or Crain and dealing a much more significant prospect.

 

The Sox aren't at all cash strapped, so they can certainly take on some salary.

 

There are really no great closers out there, which really sucks. Perhaps the best option is still Bailey, or going with a guy like Tazawa or developing De La Rosa into a late inning reliever in August and seeing if he can turn into your closer

[User Name]

All more appetizing options than Papelbon. The whole "The Sox aren't cash strapped so they should spend money" mentality is what got them into the mess they were in last year in the first place.

 

You don't take on bad contracts just because you can. That is a recipe for failure.

[SoxFanForsyth]

All more appetizing options than Papelbon. The whole "The Sox aren't cash strapped so they should spend money" mentality is what got them into the mess they were in last year in the first place.

 

You don't take on bad contracts just because you can. That is a recipe for failure.

 

That's not true. It's being disciplined in what bad contracts you pick up, and how many of them you pick up. The sox got into their 2012 situation because they had bad contracts, at the time, with Lackey, Beckett, DiceK, Jenks, and Crawford. That was about 65-70mm in bad contracts. Taking on a 14mm closer is not going to turn this team into 2012.

[iortiz]

It's Pap and the money with a lower ceiling prospect or Crain and dealing a much more significant prospect.

 

The Sox aren't at all cash strapped, so they can certainly take on some salary.

 

There are really no great closers out there, which really sucks. Perhaps the best option is still Bailey, or going with a guy like Tazawa or developing De La Rosa into a late inning reliever in August and seeing if he can turn into your closer

 

They shall go for Pap if they can. His contract has worth every penny thus far and there is no indication of a decline, in fact the guy is still a stud.

[iortiz]

That's not true. It's being disciplined in what bad contracts you pick up, and how many of them you pick up. The sox got into their 2012 situation because they had bad contracts, at the time, with Lackey, Beckett, DiceK, Jenks, and Crawford. That was about 65-70mm in bad contracts. Taking on a 14mm closer is not going to turn this team into 2012.

 

This, and 10000 times this.

 

I'm not against big contracts. It is not about the long/amount of the contract, it is about which ones you pick up. That's supposed to be a FO ability. It's clear that our FO have picked up tons of the bad ones lately and give up the good ones like Pap's one. If there were a stat for this, our FO would hit the equivalent of a F

[MJantomaso]

So...I say lets go get Joel Zumaya. We will then feed him steroids until he cant wipe his own ass.

[rjortiz]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1677558-assembling-jonathan-papelbon-trade-packages-from-the-red-sox-tigers-cardinals/page/2

 

LOL

 

Ranaudo, Bradley Jr., and Tazawa for Papelbon. Why not just make Uehera or Tazawa the closer?

[mvp 78]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1677558-assembling-jonathan-papelbon-trade-packages-from-the-red-sox-tigers-cardinals/page/2

 

LOL

 

Ranaudo, Bradley Jr., and Tazawa for Papelbon. Why not just make Uehera or Tazawa the closer?

 

"Too much for Papelbon? Maybe. But that's the minimum the Phillies will be asking for in return for one of the best closers in baseball with two more years left on his contract and a third year if his option vests. It's a clear win-now move for the Sox, which the Phillies should try and take advantage.."

 

Bleacher Report is like The Onion, just not on purpose.

[mvp 78]

In the comments, the "writer" says that Brentz instead of JBJ would make the trade more realistic. Really? Not sure I'd give up Brentz and Renaudo for Paps. Maybe Brentz and Wilson, but I wouldn't go much higher.

[Standing Room]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1677558-assembling-jonathan-papelbon-trade-packages-from-the-red-sox-tigers-cardinals/page/2

 

LOL

 

Ranaudo, Bradley Jr., and Tazawa for Papelbon. Why not just make Uehera or Tazawa the closer?

 

Why even bother reading bleacher report? You'd get more insightful commentary from an ADD riddled 12 year old on crack.

[SoxFanForsyth]

"Too much for Papelbon? Maybe. But that's the minimum the Phillies will be asking for in return for one of the best closers in baseball with two more years left on his contract and a third year if his option vests. It's a clear win-now move for the Sox, which the Phillies should try and take advantage.."

 

Bleacher Report is like The Onion, just not on purpose.

 

Hahaha.

 

Some Phillies fan commented that the Phillies would need to get something better than Bradley Taz and Ranaudo for Papelbon.

 

Wow. Casual baseball fans are so bad at trade propositions

[User Name]

Being disciplined in picking up bad contracts? That is ridiculous by definition. It's a bad contract for a reason. You're killing me here.

 

And iortiz, maybe you can take two seconds to stop your Papelbon worship and think about the future. Paying guys for what they've done instead of what they'll do is a recipe for failure.

 

We get it, you like Papelbon. But if you could get a guy who could give you 80% of his production for a third of the money and lesser prospects, would you trade for him, or the other guy? If you say Papelbon, well then i'm just glad you're not running this team.

[User Name]

This, and 10000 times this.

 

I'm not against big contracts. It is not about the long/amount of the contract, it is about which ones you pick up. That's supposed to be a FO ability. It's clear that our FO have picked up tons of the bad ones lately and give up the good ones like Pap's one. If there were a stat for this, our FO would hit the equivalent of a F

 

I don't think you quite understand what a "good" or "bad" contract is.

[italstallianion]

I honestly wouldn't trade those prospects if the Phillies threw in Lee with Papelbon. (Assuming we're eating the money too)

[jacksonianmarch]

Papelbon is only guaranteed $12.5 mil per through 2015. If the sox nab him at the deadline, they'll be on the hook for 2.333 years and about $30 mil. That sound a lot less daunting than 4yr $50 mil with a $13 mil vesting option. And, the option only vests if he finishes 15 games in 2015 or a total of 100 games between 14 and 15. Meaning that, if you don't get your money's worth through next season, then he's removed from the role and a FA after 2015. It isn't exactly crazy money when you see what Soriano is making. The only crazy thing about it was the length, which has significantly shortened up to now. If Bailey continues to suck cock and the 9th inning becomes the sox yearlong bugaboo, then a deal for Paps is not just an option, but likely IMO

[User Name]

Not for the prospect package the Phillies are asking for him. Add on to that the crazy luck and declining peripherals plus the money, and why would you trade for him specifically? It's more mental masturbation than anything else.

[iortiz]

Papelbon is only guaranteed $12.5 mil per through 2015. If the sox nab him at the deadline, they'll be on the hook for 2.333 years and about $30 mil. That sound a lot less daunting than 4yr $50 mil with a $13 mil vesting option. And, the option only vests if he finishes 15 games in 2015 or a total of 100 games between 14 and 15. Meaning that, if you don't get your money's worth through next season, then he's removed from the role and a FA after 2015. It isn't exactly crazy money when you see what Soriano is making. The only crazy thing about it was the length, which has significantly shortened up to now. If Bailey continues to suck cock and the 9th inning becomes the sox yearlong bugaboo, then a deal for Paps is not just an option, but likely IMO

People will never understand this.

[User Name]

There's nothing to understand. It doesn't make sense from any perspective.

[iortiz]

I don't think you quite understand what a "good" or "bad" contract is.

 

More than you and our FO, yup.

[Standing Room]

Phillies said they have no desire to trade their pitchers. Give the Papelbon talk a rest.

 

If Bailey doesn't right the ship, the Red Sox could use Uehara as the closer (2.17 ERA, 0.90 WHIP, 12.7 K/9). He has experience closing before, not that it should matter. Look at Grilli. Good relievers make good closers. Or the Red Sox could use Tazawa (2.51 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 10.5 K/9). We have multiple options, it doesn't make any sense to give up prospects to get a closer.

[User Name]

Phillies said they have no desire to trade their pitchers. Give the Papelbon talk a rest.

 

If Bailey doesn't right the ship, the Red Sox could use Uehara as the closer (2.17 ERA, 0.90 WHIP, 12.7 K/9). He has experience closing before, not that it should matter. Look at Grilli. Good relievers make good closers. Or the Red Sox could use Tazawa (2.51 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 10.5 K/9). We have multiple options, it doesn't make any sense to give up prospects to get a closer.

 

"People will never understand this"

[mvp 78]

More than you and our FO, yup.

 

If you know more than the FO, you need to start sending your resume out to MLB teams rather than wasting time on here. Don't spend your formative years in relative obscurity. You could be pulling Bill James money!

[User Name]

I think MVP Jr. knows better than he does tbh

[Standing Room]

The Papelboners some people on this forum have are ridiculous. Not only is he not available, but Bailey has had two bad appearances. Mariano Rivera's had three bad appearances in a row, it happens. If Bailey continues to struggle, that's O.K. We aren't hurting for quality back end of the bullpen arms. Tazawa could close and we'd still have Uehara and Breslow as solid options as set up men.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Phillies said they have no desire to trade their pitchers. Give the Papelbon talk a rest.

 

If Bailey doesn't right the ship, the Red Sox could use Uehara as the closer (2.17 ERA, 0.90 WHIP, 12.7 K/9). He has experience closing before, not that it should matter. Look at Grilli. Good relievers make good closers. Or the Red Sox could use Tazawa (2.51 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 10.5 K/9). We have multiple options, it doesn't make any sense to give up prospects to get a closer.

 

Of course Amaro said they have no desire to trade them. They're going to get asked about them, and they're going to give that answer every time. As soon as they say that Pap and Lee are available, they lose the 'you have to convince me to trade them' leverage

[User Name]

The problem is that none of those guys are on "Rivera highway". By not getting a guy who's on that "highway", the FO is obviously showing their incompetence.

 

I mean, our FO sucks so bad that they turned a 67-win team into the best record in the AL so far. iortiz knows better though.