David Ortiz HOF?

[Lord Snow]

I know this chat has been had before on here but what do you guys think?

 

Normal players would be slowed by injury or age and Papi just keeps hitting. He had a lull 2008-2009 but was still reasonably productive during those seasons. Besides that he has been one of the best hitters in the American league since 2003. He has a larger than life personality, 2x WS Champ.

 

Arguments against: a vague accusation of using PEDs, and being a full-time DH.

 

If Ortiz finishes his career like he has been going I see him in Cooperstown. There are all kinds of arguments against DHs getting in, steroid era guys, etc, but I think if there is going to be a first, Papi is fine choice.

[mvp 78]

Not a chance.

[BSN07]

He has a chance because of his overall popularity and what he accomplished in the playoffs to go along with his regular season numbers. He's arguably the best DH of all time. He's got a good shot.

[User Name]

Name one guy with PED connections who has made it to the hall. I shall wait here.

[BSN07]

Name one guy with PED connections who has made it to the hall. I shall wait here.

 

I think that eventually changes once the younger generation takes over the majority of the votes. I could be wrong, but that's how I feel.

[User Name]

PED users are not getting in. No chance.

[BSN07]

PED users are not getting in. No chance.

 

There are admitted PED users in the HOF right now

[mvp 78]

Name one guy with PED connections who has made it to the hall. I shall wait here.

 

PED + DH = no way

[mvp 78]

There are admitted PED users in the HOF right now

 

Clemens and Bonds, two of the greatest players of all time haven't gone in, why would Ortiz?

[BSN07]

Clemens and Bonds, two of the greatest players of all time haven't gone in, why would Ortiz?

 

That's what I'm saying. I believe it changes in the next 10-20 years and those players eventually get in.

[User Name]

There are admitted PED users in the HOF right now

 

Don't be a smartass, you know exactly what i mean.

[a700hitter]

Once Bonds or Clemens gets in, all the other PED users will follow if they have the numbers. I think Ortiz might be there with the numbers if he has a couple of healthy seasons.

[italstallianion]

I think Ortiz is lucky now because I think the environment will change in the 5+ years it takes for him to be eligible. His ratio numbers are fine imo, but I think he peaked relatively late so he didn't have the type of counting numbers that one would have for playing a normal "full" career. However, he's done amazing things when he was supposed to be left for dead, so if he continues to play like this, I believe his counting numbers would be worthy as well.

[italstallianion]

I think that this thread was more about "is he worthy" of getting in rather than "is he actually going to get in"

[SoxSport]

He and Manny won't get in because of HGH or steroids. They were all taking them 10 years ago.

Besides, it's much tougher for a DH to get in. And Ortiz had a couple bad years a couple years ago, which doesn't help as well. Couldn't hit lefties.

 

Is there a test yet for HGH? I suspect some are taking HGH or something else right now that isn't tested. There is too much money at stake not to. Pretty obvious. Heck, I would, as long as there were no serious side effects.

[SoxSport]

Once Bonds or Clemens gets in, all the other PED users will follow if they have the numbers. I think Ortiz might be there with the numbers if he has a couple of healthy seasons.

 

The media isn't just NY in the voting. Most are the Peoria writers who could care less about network TV. There are enough of them to keep the juicers out of the HOF. If only for their persistent lying on the issue.

[Lord Snow]

He and Manny won't get in because of HGH or steroids. They were all taking them 10 years ago.

Besides, it's much tougher for a DH to get in. And Ortiz had a couple bad years a couple years ago, which doesn't help as well. Couldn't hit lefties.

 

Is there a test yet for HGH? I suspect some are taking HGH or something else right now that isn't tested. There is too much money at stake not to. Pretty obvious. Heck, I would, as long as there were no serious side effects.

 

I don't Ortiz is currently on something. He resurrected his career after he became a borderline diabetic and had to lose a ton of weight. He probably lost a good 50-60 lbs which got him in awesome physical shape which he has maintained.

 

He also figured out that he doesn't need to try to pull everything lefties throw him, he takes balls the other way, and works with what he is offered and that is why his average has been VERY healthy over the last few seasons.

[jacksonianmarch]

There is no way on God's green earth that Ortiz gets in. His numbers are borderline, but his inclusion in the PED scandal will leave him out of it. Same with Pettitte

[User Name]

And Manny, and Clemens, and A-Rod, etc.

[Youk Of The Nation]

And poor, poor Melky Cabrera. No HOF for him.

[SoxSport]

I think they're all taking something that isn't tested. Ortiz plus all those Yankee retreads that are hitting over their heads, plus others in MLB. The sports clinics are way ahead of the testers, and the players have money to burn--they can afford anything.

[italstallianion]

I'd love to see what his final numbers look like when he retires, the last few years have been unexpected (at least by me) and amazing. Even better than his career averages.

[who]

He and Manny won't get in because of HGH or steroids. They were all taking them 10 years ago.

Besides, it's much tougher for a DH to get in. And Ortiz had a couple bad years a couple years ago, which doesn't help as well. Couldn't hit lefties.

 

Is there a test yet for HGH? I suspect some are taking HGH or something else right now that isn't tested. There is too much money at stake not to. Pretty obvious. Heck, I would, as long as there were no serious side effects.

 

If Edgar Martinez is not in the HOF as a DH, David Ortiz has no shot, steroids or no steroids.

Manny Ramirez put up great numbers in an era when a lot of people put up great numbers.

 

162 game seasonal averages, can you spot Ortiz and Manny??? (just for fun)

Player A--.295--40HR--130RBI--.933OPS

Player B--.295--42HR--135RBI--.904OPS

Player C--.301--36HR--119RBI--.974OPS

Player D--.284--38HR--111RBI--.907OPS

Player E--.293--35HR--114RBI--.906OPS

Player F--.312--39HR--129RBI--.996OPS

Player G--.286--36HR--118RBI--.929OPS

Player H--.300--42HR--125RBI--.945OPS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Player A-Albert Belle

Player B.-Juan Gonzalez

Player C.-Frank Thomas

Player D.-Ken Griffey Jr.

Player E.-Mo Vaughn

Player F.-Manny Ramirez

Player G.-David Ortiz

Player H.-Alex Rodriguez