Shoring Up the Rotation

[BSN07]

A few FA names to kick around,

 

Roy Oswalt

Carlos Zambrano

Dallas Braden

[MJantomaso]

Why is this a topic 7 games into the season? I'm not sold on anyone just yet.

[mvp 78]

God forbid you get your Nava underoos in a bunch. It's just a conversation. Not sure what humility has to do with it.

[BSN07]

Does anyone else find is amusing that the apparent leader of the "Kalish fanclub clubhouse" and Nava's biggest fan are going back and forth?

 

"My 4th OF is better!"

 

"No mine is! Yours sucks cock in Hell!"

[Dojji]

It's just a conversation. Not sure what humility has to do with it.

 

Which is, I would venture to say, your problem.

[RedSoxNC84]

Isn't Lord Snow the same guy that said Victorino was terrible?

[BornToRun]

I really don't think it's worth it to keep arguing over Dojii's Nava love. What's the point? He really likes the kid and everyone of us has had a certain player that we wind up getting attached to at some point. I used to be irrationally in love with Salty. I find myself becoming more and more of a rider on the Nava bandwagon. He's versatile and has awesome on base skills vs righties, so what if Dojii is obsessed with him? It isn't hurting anything and it isn't worth arguing over. The Sox are looking good and have been fun to watch, why can't we just enjoy that?

[Dojji]

Because certain of us have decided to dig in just as firmly on the Nava skeptic camp as I have on the optimist side, just because I have done so.

 

It comes of my combination of enthusiasm and volume. It turns people off sometimes, and a certain group of contrarian posters are always going to line up on the other side as a result, either because they don't like me, or because they're less enthusiastic about the subject matter and they want to rein the thread in a bit. It happens, I know why it happens, I just can't be bothered to adjust my way of thinking because of half a handful of fools.

 

And I admit that sometimes their antagonism to my ideas tends to radicalize me as well. Sort of a mutual lose-lose situation, at least for those mods who like sleep. Nava is a prime example, Gabbard was another.

[BornToRun]

Oh Kason Gabbard. I always liked him, it's a shame his career never panned out.

[dupree]

A few FA names to kick around,

 

Roy Oswalt

Carlos Zambrano

Dallas Braden

 

With the new good guy clubhouse i dont think zambrano would be a candidate. Im a did fan of calling the young guys up and letting them throw instead of bringing anyone else in. But any of them on a minors deal would be fine.

[Sox Fire]

Please dont tell me they are gonna start AA in place of lackey...where is there reason behind that?

[Dojji]

Oh Kason Gabbard. I always liked him, it's a shame his career never panned out.

 

He had it all in front of him if he hadn't hurt his elbow. His command was always a bit shaky, but that changeup was a plus plus pitch, lots of swings and misses on that thing, and he had the two-seamer to get a lot of ground balls and erase the baserunners he let up. Unfortunately, he wasn't even close after the injury and the strike zone became an utter mystery to him.

 

What a pity. But that's the way it goes sometimes.

[Dojji]

Please dont tell me they are gonna start AA in place of lackey...where is there reason behind that?

 

Who are you going to start instead with Morales hurt? You gonna call up that knuckleballer in AAA who couldn't get it done this Spring? Press Miller into service?

 

Aceves has a role on this team, and this is it. He's going to have to pass or fail at that role definitively before we know whether it's time to replace him with someone else.

[kapsis21]

He had it all in front of him if he hadn't hurt his elbow. His command was always a bit shaky, but that changeup was a plus plus pitch, lots of swings and misses on that thing, and he had the two-seamer to get a lot of ground balls and erase the baserunners he let up. Unfortunately, he wasn't even close after the injury and the strike zone became an utter mystery to him.

 

What a pity. But that's the way it goes sometimes.

 

the dreadful deal we pulled, Kason Gabbard/David Murphy/Engel Beltre( he never panned out) for GagMe

[Dojji]

the dreadful deal we pulled, Kason Gabbard/David Murphy/Engel Beltre( he never panned out) for GagMe

 

It's obvious in retrospect who the real heavy of that deal was, that being David Murphy, but I suspect that the Rangers were liking what they saw from Gabbard too. He featured prominently in their rotation and wasn't doing all that bad until the injury happened (4.8 ERA, nothing great, but not that awful, and if you check the game log there was a definite downward trajectory in his ERA and BB rate as the elbow got worse)

[BSN07]

Who are you going to start instead with Morales hurt? You gonna call up that knuckleballer in AAA who couldn't get it done this Spring? Press Miller into service?

 

Aceves has a role on this team, and this is it. He's going to have to pass or fail at that role definitively before we know whether it's time to replace him with someone else.

 

Ya that's how I feel too. He should be able to hold it down for a month if needed.

[seabeachfred]

I am amazed at how people can't enjoy winning without being confrontational with fellow Sox fans. It's amazing to me. I thought winning would bring harmony, but apparently there are malcontents who can't even enjoy success.

 

Well it looks like I'm not the only guy they have trouble getting along with.....or is it the other way around? As for the depth in pitching, let's face it, there is no one out there who will provide a magic bullet for us. Besides, it's already been said that starting pitching depth are usually journeymen on the downsides of their careers. Someone mentioned Capuano. He is another Harang, a fly ball pitcher who might have trouble surviving in the American League. If we could just get a solid and winning performance from Dempster tomorrow and from Aceves on Friday or whenever, this clamor might die down a little.

 

As for Aceves, he is just nuts enough to go out there as a starter and do what he hasn't been able to do as a reliever. Most of you out there have played baseball in your earlier years, and maybe a few of you have also coached. If so, you know that certain players have a comfort zone, especially if they are a little on the strange side. Ace is strange enough to really surprise us.

[seabeachfred]

Does anyone else find is amusing that the apparent leader of the "Kalish fanclub clubhouse" and Nava's biggest fan are going back and forth?

 

"My 4th OF is better!"

 

"No mine is! Yours sucks cock in Hell!"

 

I find it a little strange since "Kalish fanclub clubhouse's" pal says I'm the only who can't get along with them. I guess you would now call that a canard. At any rate, give Dojii a few kuddos. His guy is the reason why we won our Home Opener yesterday. Minus that, even with Clay's top notch performance on the hill we would most likely have lost the game, 1-0.

[kapsis21]

I find it a little strange since "Kalish fanclub clubhouse's" pal says I'm the only who can't get along with them. I guess you would now call that a canard. At any rate, give Dojii a few kuddos. His guy is the reason why we won our Home Opener yesterday. Minus that, even with Clay's top notch performance on the hill we would most likely have lost the game, 1-0.

 

no ways. Jim Johnson is going to blow a lot of games this year...

[Palodios]

Two ideas that have been thrown out in the past were Andrew Bailey for Rick Porcello, or Saltalamacchia for Gavin Floyd.

 

Still like both of those trades.

[BornToRun]

Two ideas that have been thrown out in the past were Andrew Bailey for Rick Porcello, or Saltalamacchia for Gavin Floyd.

 

Still like both of those trades.

 

Who catches then? Ross is in his mid 30's and has never caught more than 112 games and that was in 2007 and Lavs was absolutely awful with the bat last year in the time he spent up with the big club.

[Palodios]

Who catches then? Ross is in his mid 30's and has never caught more than 112 games and that was in 2007 and Lavs was absolutely awful with the bat last year in the time he spent up with the big club.

 

Lavs. If he has trouble in the big leagues then bring up Hernandez for his glove.

[BornToRun]

Lavs. If he has trouble in the big leagues then bring up Hernandez for his glove.

 

I'm going to admit to some ignorance on my part and ask, who's Hernandez?

[Palodios]

I'm going to admit to some ignorance on my part and ask, who's Hernandez?

 

Oops, I meant Chris Vazquez. I confused him with Chris Hernandez. To answer your question, he's an all-glove catcher in AA.

[BornToRun]

Oops, I meant Chris Vazquez. I confused him with Chris Hernandez. To answer your question, he's an all-glove catcher in AA.

 

Oh Vasquez, now I know who you mean. I do recall his glove earning him a lot of praise this spring.

[mvp 78]

Does anyone else find is amusing that the apparent leader of the "Kalish fanclub clubhouse" and Nava's biggest fan are going back and forth?

 

"My 4th OF is better!"

 

"No mine is! Yours sucks cock in Hell!"

 

I'm sorry, did I ever say Kalish was better? Don't think I did.

 

I'm also not making numerous posts about Kalish either.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I think we all couldn't Kalish what you think about him.

[mvp 78]

I think we all couldn't Kalish what you think about him.

 

Good job. Good effort.

[NYlove4BoSox]

As for Aceves, he is just nuts enough to go out there as a starter and do what he hasn't been able to do as a reliever. Most of you out there have played baseball in your earlier years, and maybe a few of you have also coached. If so, you know that certain players have a comfort zone, especially if they are a little on the strange side. Ace is strange enough to really surprise us.

 

Sounds good by me. I'll be very excited to watch Ace start again. Maybe two starts, 5 IP.

[win red sox]

Best case scenario is Aceves pitches well in his 2-3 starts increasing his trade value. Then with Breslow throwing bullpen sessions as of 4/1 and Morales throwing live batting practice 4/3, Ben then could trade Aceves, move Morales into the long mans role and Breslow takes Mortenson's spot. I also can see Webster making some spot starts if a starter needs to skip a couple of starts.