2013 Yankees in-game thread

[a700hitter]

A Pyrrhic victory or just splitting hairs?

[yankees228]

Like I said, I never stated that the Yankees should not have released Wang based on two major league starts. You just proved me right.

 

The sample size is still way too small and the fact that you're using AAA numbers makes it even sillier.

[a700hitter]

Yanks are beating the Twinkies this afternoon as usual 5-0 in the third inning

[Standing Room]

The sample size is still way too small and the fact that you're using AAA numbers makes it even sillier.

 

No, what's silly is that you're repeatedly bringing up Chien-Ming Wang in a discussion about CC Sabathia. Do you want to discuss Sabathia or would you rather continue to take pot shots by misrepresenting non-related things I said weeks ago?

[yankees228]

Nice try. Velocty, strike out rate, home run rate are at career worst levels.

 

Am I correct in thinking that your position is that Sabathia has been unlucky and his 2 mph loss of velocity is a non-factor? Or are you just being stubborn about admitting that his loss of velocity is a factor?

 

Velocity: not a peripheral

K-rate: not at a career worst level, and it's nearly his career average

HR-rate: I already acknowledged this

 

I don't fall into either of those positions. I admit that his loss of velocity is a factor, but it's only two MPH and it can absolutely be overcome. And I think he has been unlucky this year, to an extent.

[yankees228]

No, what's silly is that you're repeatedly bringing up Chien-Ming Wang in a discussion about CC Sabathia. Do you want to discuss Sabathia or would you rather continue to take pot shots by misrepresenting non-related things I said weeks ago?

 

I think it's a relevant example concerning the misuse of small sample sizes. Arguing by analogy is not uncommon and hardly silly. But OK, we can move past it if you wish.

[Standing Room]

Velocity: not a peripheral

K-rate: not at a career worst level, and it's nearly his career average

HR-rate: I already acknowledged this

 

I don't fall into either of those positions. I admit that his loss of velocity is a factor, but it's only two MPH and it can absolutely be overcome. And I think he has been unlucky this year, to an extent.

 

So you're basically arguing over whether or not 2 mph is a significant loss of velocity then? Because I never stated Sabathia couldn't overcome it.

[Standing Room]

Yanks are beating the Twinkies this afternoon as usual 5-0 in the third inning

 

What an exciting race for fourth place!

[Bellhorn04]

Like I say, they don't go away.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hey, we're back up? Nice. Good to see the Yankees putting up a fight. The old cavalry is on its way, lol. This is still a team that should blow it up, but with the 6 game run here, I have a feeling we'll be going all out as usual. sigh

[Standing Room]

Hey, we're back up? Nice. Good to see the Yankees putting up a fight. The old cavalry is on its way, lol. This is still a team that should blow it up, but with the 6 game run here, I have a feeling we'll be going all out as usual. sigh

 

Maybe the Yankees will catch lightning in a bottle and go on a playoff run. But chances are they won't, and they will deal away prospects and hurt their draft position in order to try to make this team competitive. Then they'll sign Cano to a ridiculous extension and in three years he'll be their next A-Rod.

[jacksonianmarch]

If they catch lightning in a bottle, then I'll be pleased, but not at the expense of our prospects. We have to make very minimal upgrades at the deadline to contend. We cannot be dealing away Austin, Williams, + for Utley

[rjortiz]

If they catch lightning in a bottle, then I'll be pleased, but not at the expense of our prospects. We have to make very minimal upgrades at the deadline to contend. We cannot be dealing away Austin, Williams, + for Utley

 

They're getting upgrades at SS, 3B, and LF. Maybe they go get a DH. I think they are too far back to challenge the Sox, but they will definitely be in the Wild Card mix.

[jacksonianmarch]

5 games in the L column in early July isn't an insurmountable lead. I still think the sox are playing over their heads, but every day that goes by, they are starting to prove that they are better than everyone thought

[User Name]

Minimal upgrades? Are those rose-colored glasses custom fitted?

[jacksonianmarch]

Minimal upgrades? Are those rose-colored glasses custom fitted?

 

Maybe I didn't specify. They need to catch lightning in a bottle and cannot afford to mortgage their future for a slim chance at winning this yr. I don't want flashy, expensive upgrades. I want a tweak here and there. We cannot afford to pilfer our system long term. And if that isn't enough, then so be it. This is a team that has its bed made with ridiculous contracts and adding to them wont work. We either hope ARod and Jeter can recapture their old glory or we sink

[Standing Room]

5 games in the L column in early July isn't an insurmountable lead. I still think the sox are playing over their heads, but every day that goes by, they are starting to prove that they are better than everyone thought

 

Is that statistically based or wishful thinking?

[a700hitter]

A lot of Sox fans were rooting against the O's this weekend, but the Yankees are playing much better lately. Nova pitched the best game that he has in a long time his last time out. They are getting their captain back soon, and they are down 4 games in the loss column. I still fear them the most. Their late inning pen is devastating. They can play 7 inning games while we have heart attacks until the last out. MFYs

[italstallianion]

I typically root for the team with the worse record in every game not involving the Sox. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Thunder]

That would be nice today.

[a700hitter]

I typically root for the team with the worse record in every game not involving the Sox. Nothing more, nothing less.

I hear you, so today we are rooting for the O's... right?

 

But the MFYs still scare me--- scars from the past...maybe?

[Thunder]

I'm terrified of the Yankees right now... Especially with Jeter on the way back. A-Roid doesn't scare me as much, but they might make a charge when they get them back.

[a700hitter]

Machado made an unbelievable throw to first base from foul territory at 3rd base. He was off balance and threw a seed to 1B.

[VA Sox Fan]

Mo just blew the save. 2 run homer for Adam Jones. 2-1 O's in the top of the 9th.

[a700hitter]

Mo came within a foot or so of a game tying HR by Markakis. He ended up with a single followed by a 2 run laser by Adam Jones and a double by Wieters and a Walk. Even the great one blows a game once in a while.

[VA Sox Fan]

O's win!

[jacksonianmarch]

Nice try. Velocty, strike out rate, home run rate are at career worst levels.

 

Am I correct in thinking that your position is that Sabathia has been unlucky and his 2 mph loss of velocity is a non-factor? Or are you just being stubborn about admitting that his loss of velocity is a factor?

 

His K rate isn't even his worst with the Yankees, so nice try again. He's at 7.69K/9IP, right near his first 2 seasons in NY where he was 7.71 and 7.46. So mistake #1 on your end. Mistake #2 is expecting his HR rate to continue. It's an aberration at this point. If he continues to allow 1.3HR/9 through next yr, then I'll agree with you. Otherwise, it's a blip on the radar. You know, Pedro had a gigantic jump in HR/9IP (0.6 to 1.0) when he moved to Fenway. That didn't become a trend as he held that number well under 1 until his final yr in the bean. HR rates are unpredictable and until a trend is shown, are really useless indicators and show a serious need to grasp at straws. The funny thing is, his peripherals are better than his first 2 seasons in the Bronx and his xFIP is lower, yet miraculously, he's ready for demise!! You are such a homer, lol, and it takes one to know one.

 

The other funny thing is the splits of CC through the last 3 yrs. His ERA is higher in the second half by about .3 runs per 9, but his peripherals improve by a major amount. From 2010-2012, CC's K rate rises by over 1 per 9 after the ASB and his walk rate drops by 0.2 per 9. So while you are busy expecting him to fail, he's posting his 3rd best xFIP in his Yankee career and his best is yet to come as his peripherals improve down the stretch. I think you might be writing him off prematurely. There are a lot of problems in NY, CC isn't one of them

[Standing Room]

His K rate isn't even his worst with the Yankees, so nice try again. He's at 7.69K/9IP, right near his first 2 seasons in NY where he was 7.71 and 7.46. So mistake #1 on your end. Mistake #2 is expecting his HR rate to continue. It's an aberration at this point. If he continues to allow 1.3HR/9 through next yr, then I'll agree with you. Otherwise, it's a blip on the radar. You know, Pedro had a gigantic jump in HR/9IP (0.6 to 1.0) when he moved to Fenway. That didn't become a trend as he held that number well under 1 until his final yr in the bean. HR rates are unpredictable and until a trend is shown, are really useless indicators and show a serious need to grasp at straws. The funny thing is, his peripherals are better than his first 2 seasons in the Bronx and his xFIP is lower, yet miraculously, he's ready for demise!! You are such a homer, lol, and it takes one to know one.

 

The other funny thing is the splits of CC through the last 3 yrs. His ERA is higher in the second half by about .3 runs per 9, but his peripherals improve by a major amount. From 2010-2012, CC's K rate rises by over 1 per 9 after the ASB and his walk rate drops by 0.2 per 9. So while you are busy expecting him to fail, he's posting his 3rd best xFIP in his Yankee career and his best is yet to come as his peripherals improve down the stretch. I think you might be writing him off prematurely. There are a lot of problems in NY, CC isn't one of them

 

You're an idiot. At the time I typed that, his strikeout rate was the lowest since 2005. Now it's the second worst since 2005. Want a cookie? You're also conveniently omitting the fact that Sabathia's on the wrong side of 30 and he's lost 2 mph on his fastball. You're also ignoring this is the second straight year he's had a HR/FB over 12%. At what point does it become a trend, three years in a row? No one's saying his career is over, but he's clearly not the same pitcher he was 2006-2012.

 

The bloom is off the rose.

[jacksonianmarch]

When you don't have an argument, call the other guy an idiot. I have it now!

[jacksonianmarch]

In all seriousness, CC isn't the same pitcher, but he really hasn't been since his first season in NY. When he was in Cleveland, he was a fireballer. Since coming to NY, he's been more of a change of pace guy who had a good fastball. He's learned to adjust to his lost velo by slowing down his breaking pitches and his changeup. He can pitch to any location with any pitch and his stuff is still nasty, it just comes in slightly slower than before. I am not worried about him, really and truly. His style of pitching will continue to be highly effective as he continues to lose velo. I'd be more worried if his stuff was still there, but he couldn't take the bump due to knee or back issues.