Red Sox Hire John Farrell

[jacksonianmarch]

Aviles was a 1.8WAR SS and per fangraphs, was worth $7.9 mil last yr. If they get Lind, then its smart, if not, I am unsure you can justify the move for a subpar skipper

[SoxFanForsyth]

Aviles was a 1.8WAR SS and per fangraphs, was worth $7.9 mil last yr. If they get Lind, then its smart, if not, I am unsure you can justify the move for a subpar skipper

 

Aviles was absolutely awful last year. A .663 ops, and average defense at best. I don't care if they don't get anyone back but Farrell (which won't happen, it has to be a player for player deal), it's a good deal for the Sox.

 

I'm thrilled that we got Farrell and gave up a platoon bench player in return.

[Elktonnick]

The FO followed their usual pattern on this one. They fixate on a hiring or signing. They sign him. Then weeks later they have buyer's remorse. Can't help think the Farrell signing will follow that pattern. From my perspective the only good thing about this move is Cherrington has no more excuses. It is his team now.

[Orange Juiced]

The FO followed their usual pattern on this one. They fixate on a hiring or signing. They sign him. Then weeks later they have buyer's remorse. Can't help think the Farrell signing will follow that pattern. From my perspective the only good thing about this move is Cherrington has no more excuses. It is his team now.

 

How do you know it was Cherington that really wanted Farrell? How do you know this wasn't a Henry/Werner/Lucchino decision all the way?

[YAZMAN]

Farrell was my choice. I like the guy, but I have to say I'm surprised it happened.

[ibot2much]

How do you know it was Cherington that really wanted Farrell? How do you know this wasn't a Henry/Werner/Lucchino decision all the way?

 

I have to agree with you on this. The talk has been that the top boys have been working this deal, with Cher around to come up with compensation.

[Palodios]

Aviles was absolutely awful last year. A .663 ops, and average defense at best. I don't care if they don't get anyone back but Farrell (which won't happen, it has to be a player for player deal), it's a good deal for the Sox.

 

I'm thrilled that we got Farrell and gave up a platoon bench player in return.

 

If you look at Aviles's raw stats, he had a pretty mediocre season. But he was one of the few hitters to play well in the clutch. His OPS shot up to .831 with RISP.

 

He definitely saw reduced playing time at the end of the season to give Pedro and Iggy a shot, and I don't think he was meant as a big part of the organization's future, so this is an acceptable loss.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If you look at Aviles's raw stats, he had a pretty mediocre season. But he was one of the few hitters to play well in the clutch. His OPS shot up to .831 with RISP.

 

He definitely saw reduced playing time at the end of the season to give Pedro and Iggy a shot, and I don't think he was meant as a big part of the organization's future, so this is an acceptable loss.

 

I mean he did well in some circumstances, but overall I'm not at all upset about losing a .282 OBP at SS. Not to mention his defense was a complete outlier compared to his career (5.6 UZR in 2012, -13.2 in his previous 3 seasons).

 

Like you said, acceptable loss for sure. He was not going to be part of the organization going forward. A good deal IMO.

[Behindenemylines]

Aviles wasn't too happy with his reduced playing time in September. Any thing short of him being the starting SS he wasn't going to be happy. Based on him not playing in September the Sox did not see him as their starting SS. An if I had to pick between Aviles (who wouldn't be happy with this) and Ciriaco as my backup infielder I would pick Ciriaco. Aviles was not part of the Sox future plans. So for him being the player going north for Farrell I have no problem with this. As far as Farrell I have no problem with him as the new manager because he already has positive relationships with many of the returning players and seems to have their respect. This was missing last year. I just didn't want to give up an important player for him. Which they didn't.

[Behindenemylines]

Also, if Adam Lind is the player coming back (managers can't get traded even up for a player) then that is an interesting player for the Sox. Even if the Sox don't plan on keeping him he becomes another trading chip. If true this move for Farrell can turn out positive. The Sox have a manager in place (one that seems to have the respect of the vets) before the end of October and didn't have to give away any parts of the future.

[SoxSport]

My first reaction was they got what they wanted and only had to give up Aviles--and are a getting player back--maybe Lind. That leaves SS open to Iggy and Ciriaco.

 

They know Farrell-the pitchers like him-so maybe it will work out. He'll get the cooperation of the rest of the organization Valentine never had. Bobby had to manage in a vacuum. Farrell will have none of those constraints.Plus he doesn't have a big mouth with the media.

 

One of his big jobs will be to get Bard back on track. He's bound to have complete control over the pitching staff. We'll see who the coaches are, but you're looking at a manager here who will have a much greater say on personnel and field strategy than Valentine had.

[Elktonnick]

How do you know it was Cherington that really wanted Farrell? How do you know this wasn't a Henry/Werner/Lucchino decision all the way?

 

It has been reported that Cherries wanted Farrell. If he doesn't and it is as you say then Cherries remains the incompetent caddy that I think him to be.

[SoxSport]

I have to agree with you on this. The talk has been that the top boys have been working this deal, with Cher around to come up with compensation.

 

Cherington was probably split between Ausmus and Farrell. You figure Ben being an Amherst grad and Ausmus from Dartmouth there would be a connect there. But Farrell's been in the organization before, so either were acceptable. I wouldn't be surprised if Ausmus will be asked to be one of the coaches.

 

I agree the Farrell deal is like the Dodger deal--hammered out at the top, with the front office coming up with the players or prospects coming to Boston. They are expected to know the personnel in the major and minor leagues.

[SoxSport]

Tell me this. Who would you rather have at SS Aviles or Iglesias?

 

Looks like Iglesias is going to be our SS unless we make a deal or pick someone up this off season.

 

Iggy needs to hit better than .140 to be a regular SS. Not much better, mind you, but .240-.250 might do it. He's probably capable of that given the opportunity--which he has not been given at the major league level yet. There has been too much "he can't hit" going around, and not enough "he can field". That reflects the one-dimensional hitting mentality that has taken over the Sox lately. It's reminiscent of the old Yawkey teams: good hit, no field, no pitch. Clearly not the formula for winning. That will have to change for them to get back on track. Think pitching and defense balanced with hitting.

[MJantomaso]

Farrell was an outstanding pitching coach. Last time I checked, this team is terrible at pitching. I like the hiring and I like that stone hands is now part of te blue jays organization.

[MJantomaso]

Also, if Adam Lind is the player coming back (managers can't get traded even up for a player) then that is an interesting player for the Sox. Even if the Sox don't plan on keeping him he becomes another trading chip. If true this move for Farrell can turn out positive. The Sox have a manager in place (one that seems to have the respect of the vets) before the end of October and didn't have to give away any parts of the future.

 

 

Lind was a top prospect for the Jays. Maybe a change of scenery is what he needs.

[Bellhorn04]

According to Edes, Lind isn't part of the deal.

[a700hitter]

Farrell has shown nothing for anyone to believe that he will be agood manager. In 2 seasons with the Bkue Jays, his team was very poorly schooled in the fundamentals and he had they running recklessly, very recklessly.

 

Secondly, let me get this straight. We got 2 minor league piece of trash from the Cubs for Epstein, but we traded our starting SS for Farrell? I am not an Aviles fan, but the fact is that he was our 2012 starting SS and I thought he could be a utility type in 2013 and Plan C for SS if plans A and B blow up. Our guys are a bunch of boobs. I'd like to be the car dealer when one of these bo-bos buys a car.

[Red Foreman]

Bring back Hale as the bench coach and let him handle or at least have a say in the running decisions.

 

See below, I missed quoting a700hitters' comment

[Red Foreman]

Farrell has shown nothing for anyone to believe that he will be agood manager. In 2 seasons with the Bkue Jays, his team was very poorly schooled in the fundamentals and he had they running recklessly, very recklessly.

 

 

Bring back Hale as the bench coach and let him handle or at least have a say in the running decisions.

[KnoxSawx]

I would have rather had Pena over Farrell, but at this point, the only thing I care about now is my concern of the FO going out and spending a ton of money on 2 or 3 players. Mainly Josh Hamilton, who has been mentioned about the Sox going after. We need to focus on building our farm back up to what it once was and create a team from within. We have some players already that are young and are showing promise. Hopefully Cherrington and Farrell send this team in the right direction.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm just glad it was Aviles we gave up and not a pitching prospect.

[a700hitter]

I'm just glad it was Aviles we gave up and not a pitching prospect.

I'drather have givn them Carpenter or Stewart or any number of minor league guys. He's worht no more than a Nate Spears.

[Bellhorn04]

I'drather have givn them Carpenter or Stewart or any number of minor league guys. He's worht no more than a Nate Spears.

 

It's interesting, the Jays are taking a lot of flak from their own fans over this Farrell thing...I think they had to get something back of apparent value. I've also heard we're getting a player from the Jays but the details aren't confirmed yet.

[Red Foreman]

It's interesting, the Jays are taking a lot of flak from their own fans over this Farrell thing...I think they had to get something back of apparent value. I've also heard we're getting a player from the Jays but the details aren't confirmed yet.

 

We expected something back for Theo last year and when we found out we really didn't get anything we were able to move past it. Whatever their opinions are on Aviles they'll move past it pretty quickly also.

[Palodios]

The Red Sox are receiving David Carpenter from the Jays.

 

As expected, this is a who-cares acquisition.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lol

[Bellhorn04]

The Red Sox are receiving David Carpenter from the Jays.

 

As expected, this is a who-cares acquisition.

 

Jesus, another Carpenter.

[TeddyBallGame9]

I don't understand the negativity for JF. If the Tribe hadn't hired TF, I would have been thrilled to bring JF back home to Cleveland.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I don't understand the negativity for JF. If the Tribe hadn't hired TF, I would have been thrilled to bring JF back home to Cleveland.

 

It's Boston. You're not allowed to be happy about anything.

 

And it's Ben the Boob. He's incapable of making any good moves.