9/1 @ A's

[Taz]

Just checking in now... Seriously, we can't get a starter to last more than 3 inning against the A's?

[Youk Of The Nation]

I am so glad I have been working during the actual games. I am also glad there are few Yankees fans at my job.

[Station 13]

Stay classy Oakland.

[3rdManOut]

Top of the 7th, looks like Salty was almost swinging at anything.

[Station 13]

Just checking in now... Seriously, we can't get a starter to last more than 3 inning against the A's?

 

Doubront hit a wall.

[3rdManOut]

I actually did miss all the bs between A and DP in the dugout.

[3rdManOut]

Right before Bard gave up that home run I was hoping that he could "save face" for the team but then I realized that I was dreaming.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Fixing the grammar and spelling around here would be a Herculean task.

 

 

Actually, there is only one reason I don't fix the spelling or grammar in every horribly mangled post: I have always assumed people would complain about the moderators editing their posts for anything other than racism or explicit photos (basically the only two reasons we do it).

[Station 13]

Bard look like hot garbage.

[Taz]

2-8 record from last 10, including 5 losses on the spin... currently the worst form across the entire MLB & on the brink of being swept in back to back series. Not happy.

[jung]

I doubt we have seen the worst these guys have to offer us believe it or not.

 

The pen issues are a consequence of the poor starting pitching. Yea i complained a bit here early in the season because I thought V was playing a bit to much match up baseball with the pen when you could see even early that the rotation was going to be a FAIL. But in the end I can just about guarantee that with the rotation failing this badly, the pen would have gone down in flames anyway. Again this makes two straight years the pen has gone down in flames...two different managers....two different approaches to using the pen...same result....its the starters.

[jung]

As for Aceves and his animated discussion in the dugout, I think if V saw or heard his gesture toward him, V should have told him to sit down and shut the f*** up.

 

If V heard it, saw it and did nothing, you have another aspect of having been castrated at the start of the season. If Ace took it beyond that, suspend him again. I suspect that Ace will be outta here anyway....maybe even before V is outta here.

[Taz]

What's this about Aceves in the dugout? Was this tonight? I mean, in addition to what happened last week? Have they gone at it again?

[DocHolliday]

0-5 on the trip. The more they lose down the stretch, the more the ownership will be forced to fire V.

 

Let's face it- if things continue to go this badly, we are better off giving Bogar a shot at managing for a few weeks. It was bad enough when they were underperforming earlier in the season. Now, they are simply going through the motions.

[Behindenemylines]

Doubrount is spent, he has reached his innings and is just not effective anymore. Shut him down. I love Sctty Pods and what he has given us this year with the injuries, but with him in the 3 hole this lineup looks like a AAA lineup. I think Aceves is done in Boston. Most people didn't think anything of it when he had his blow up with BV, but now a blow up with a teammate. Is this him being bigger then the team, or AA being AA. When do pitchers and catchers report.

[Brennan]

Why doesn't the FO just give us something to show us that they are still in charge? I mean being that the team wide mutiny continues and the "team" has now extended their September work strike into August, give the fans something like announcing that you DFA'd Cook or maybe pull a Willie Randolph on Aceves and leave his sorry ass out in California? What has the organization left that's worth taking the time off of our hard working, normal paying stressful lives to look forward to til next year? These asshats on the field obviously couldn't care less about crapping on the fans every day now (except for Pedroia).

[Taz]

C'mon Red Sox... give us something to cheer.

[kapsis21]

the A's team looks very similar to 2004 Redsox.. Gomes is like Millar, Moss has a Damon quality.. i am loving this A's team even more

 

The moneyballers better win it this year!

[jung]

As usual I see the starting pitching is a fail on a grand scale. These guys would consider a success getting through the 4th inning.

[DocHolliday]

Looking at 0-6 on this trip, out scored 30-3 in the 1st 3 innings of games.

 

This team has not been prepared to compete for quite some time.

 

Leave V in Seattle.

[kapsis21]

the team is just being pathetic.. this season cant get over fast enough but i sure am rooting for the A's to win it this year. after all it has a lot of ex-redsox players.

[SoxSport]

The FO has been showing they are still in charge the whole season. That's the problem. There is a disconnect between the manager and the rest of the organization up to Lucchino--who gave Bobby his job, and then left him hanging while he and Henry stroked Cherington. The result is the players are not playing for him--they know the score.

 

Bobby won't resign because he wants his 2 years' pay.

 

They can do everybody, including him, a favor by firing him right now.

[Elktonnick]

The FO has been showing they are still in charge the whole season. That's the problem. There is a disconnect between the manager and the rest of the organization up to Lucchino--who gave Bobby his job, and then left him hanging while he and Henry stroked Cherington. The result is the players are not playing for him--they know the score.

 

Bobby won't resign because he wants his 2 years' pay.

 

They can do everybody, including him, a favor by firing him right now.

 

BV wants out in the worst way, who wouldn't? IMO

[SoxSport]

BV wants out in the worst way, who wouldn't? IMO

 

That's pretty obvious.

[jung]

Amazing how supposedly smart people could be so completely clueless and these guys are totally clueless.

 

I am having the most difficulty watching I have had all season. It is a completely rudderless ship now, a team without a soul. It even leaks out of the TV screen. Don't have to be there to see it and feel it. Honestly this is now what has made it very close to more painful to watch than I can bear.

[jung]

I actually don't know how they can win another game this year other than pure luck, law of averages, some team has an off game whatever.

 

The upper management of this organization while generating revenues and profits has taken a quality product and turned it into junk. Not sure how much play they can get out of the Fenway Experience when the product itself is junk. NESN viewers get no Fenway Experience.

 

They have to change so much that I really don't think this group can do it.

- they seem to have bought into Sabermetrics so heavily that no longer have any idea what team building is about. The only way I can rationalize putting together such a mismatched mishmash of players and calling it a team is by simply looking at stats and plugging people in. That has got to stop.

- how do you justify hand picking your Manager from the offices of upper management and then kicking the stool out from under the guy that was going to have a noose around his neck from day one anyway. I know you love you LL, JH but you have no choice but to move him sideways or fire him. You just don't have a choice.

- In addition to getting LL as far away from Baseball Operations as possible the Sox need somebody to lead Baseball Operations. BC can probably stay as GM as long as there is someone immediately above him that is not LL and is at the top of Baseball Operations

- the lack of understanding for what a team actually is has also resulted in a lack of leadership among the players. Mr. This is my Clubhouse is not a team leader. Pedey does not want the job in the Mo Vaughn or even in the Tek in his prime sense of the job. I don't think you can anoint somebody as a team leader and the next time one emerges it will likely come as a consequence of rebuilding the team.

- stop using Baseball Operations as nothing more than a tool to further your marketing intentions. Tired or glitzy signings that do nothing to further the team's ability to win games. Even their propensity to hang on to aging stars until they are falling apart is an aspect of using Baseball Operations to further Marketing intentions. They want to keep the old sentimental favorites around because it panders to the witless fan base that these days is frankly almost as much of an embarrassment as the team and organization itself.

- Anybody that thinks they had a plan for a rotation has simply not been watching. They ignored it...the most significant single aspect of winning baseball is starting pitching and they ignored it. I am unwilling to accept what they did as some sort of a plan. It represented the outcome for not having a plan or at least for not giving a rats ass. Pitchers don't put fannies in seats. Overgrown 1st basemen and speedy outfielders that can hit (sometimes) put fannies in seats.

- Pick a Manager that you have confidence in and give him a contract that reflects that. Never mind using the choice of a Manager as yet another piece of your PR and Marketing strategy. Pick somebody for what he can do to help you win games.

 

Honest to God I am so sick to my stomach with what they have done to this team and this organization that I can't stand it. They don't even have the common decency to come clean so that we might at least be left with some feeling like there is hope. Based on the comments of TW and JH and LL why should I hope for better than I have gotten.

[a700hitter]

I actually don't know how they can win another game this year other than pure luck, law of averages, some team has an off game whatever.

 

The upper management of this organization while generating revenues and profits has taken a quality product and turned it into junk. Not sure how much play they can get out of the Fenway Experience when the product itself is junk. NESN viewers get no Fenway Experience.

 

They have to change so much that I really don't think this group can do it.

- they seem to have bought into Sabermetrics so heavily that no longer have any idea what team building is about. The only way I can rationalize putting together such a mismatched mishmash of players and calling it a team is by simply looking at stats and plugging people in. That has got to stop.

- how do you justify hand picking your Manager from the offices of upper management and then kicking the stool out from under the guy that was going to have a noose around his neck from day one anyway. I know you love you LL, JH but you have no choice but to move him sideways or fire him. You just don't have a choice.

- In addition to getting LL as far away from Baseball Operations as possible the Sox need somebody to lead Baseball Operations. BC can probably stay as GM as long as there is someone immediately above him that is not LL and is at the top of Baseball Operations

- the lack of understanding for what a team actually is has also resulted in a lack of leadership among the players. Mr. This is my Clubhouse is not a team leader. Pedey does not want the job in the Mo Vaughn or even in the Tek in his prime sense of the job. I don't think you can anoint somebody as a team leader and the next time one emerges it will likely come as a consequence of rebuilding the team.

- stop using Baseball Operations as nothing more than a tool to further your marketing intentions. Tired or glitzy signings that do nothing to further the team's ability to win games. Even their propensity to hang on to aging stars until they are falling apart is an aspect of using Baseball Operations to further Marketing intentions. They want to keep the old sentimental favorites around because it panders to the witless fan base that these days is frankly almost as much of an embarrassment as the team and organization itself.

- Anybody that thinks they had a plan for a rotation has simply not been watching. They ignored it...the most significant single aspect of winning baseball is starting pitching and they ignored it. I am unwilling to accept what they did as some sort of a plan. It represented the outcome for not having a plan or at least for not giving a rats ass. Pitchers don't put fannies in seats. Overgrown 1st basemen and speedy outfielders that can hit (sometimes) put fannies in seats.

- Pick a Manager that you have confidence in and give him a contract that reflects that. Never mind using the choice of a Manager as yet another piece of your PR and Marketing strategy. Pick somebody for what he can do to help you win games.

 

Honest to God I am so sick to my stomach with what they have done to this team and this organization that I can't stand it. They don't even have the common decency to come clean so that we might at least be left with some feeling like there is hope. Based on the comments of TW and JH and LL why should I hope for better than I have gotten.

Based on what they did last off season when they clearly needed pitching, I can say that I don't have a clue what they will do in the off season. I know what they need to do. I just don't know if they will do it.