Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[BSN07]

^ This is taking your own advice. I don't see baseball in this post.

 

ok, so what's your thoughts on Porcello?

[a700hitter]

ok, so what's your thoughts on Porcello?

He'd be an improvement, but Dombrowski is a good negotiator. We'd have to see what he wants. They need a SS and some OF help, and we have none to offer that we don't need.

 

I am wondering what the Tigers are going to do with VMart when he comes back. There's no room at first base. He can't catch with the bad knee. Unless they make him a full time DH, they might be looking to move him. He'd be a good fit at first base for the Sox.

[example1]

Talk about being critical and negative, you are criticizing a persons choice of final arrangements based on economic grounds? I don't think he'll have much use for the money after he is dead.

 

Just to be clear a reference to polyannishness is not by itself a direct insult to anyone.

 

Why do you defend this type of sideswipe constantly? Multiple people have taken offense to comments like this and you tell them it isn't personal. Perhaps you don't interpret it that way, but others do and that's all that matters. It would be nice to be able to have people come here and express their concerns without being told that their perception is skewed, which is in and of itself insulting.

 

Now back to baseball. LL was just on WEEI and alluded to an impending COF acquisition. Unfortunately I think he meant Gomes. How long does it take to sign these guys? Geez, I thought that was done last week! Merry XMas at Fenway a700

[BSN07]

He'd be an improvement, but Dombrowski is a good negotiator. We'd have to see what he wants. They need a SS and some OF help, and we have none to offer that we don't need.

 

I am wondering what the Tigers are going to do with VMart when he comes back. There's no room at first base. He can't catch with the bad knee. Unless they make him a full time DH, they might be looking to move him. He'd be a good fit at first base for the Sox.

 

They plan him as DH at this moment from what I've read. They seem to be looking forward to a Miggy-Fielder-Vmart middle of the order.

[jung]

Well this has to be somebody other than Gomes. Wonder who LL is talking about....sounds like it must be either Ross or Swisher....no?

[BSN07]

Well this has to be somebody other than Gomes. Wonder who LL is talking about....sounds like it must be either Ross or Swisher....no?

 

I don't think it's Gomes. ? I thought they already "Announced" this deal?

[BSN07]

Why do you defend this type of sideswipe constantly? Multiple people have taken offense to comments like this and you tell them it isn't personal. Perhaps you don't interpret it that way, but others do and that's all that matters. It would be nice to be able to have people come here and express their concerns without being told that their perception is skewed, which is in and of itself insulting.

 

Now back to baseball. LL was just on WEEI and alluded to an impending COF acquisition. Unfortunately I think he meant Gomes. How long does it take to sign these guys? Geez, I thought that was done last week! Merry XMas at Fenway a700

 

Acquisition could be a trade as well. Or did he specifically mention a Free Agent?

[jung]

Well I have always liked Vmart but they are going to have to change the name to the Detroit Mastodons at the rate they are going. During some rain delay game poor Jackson is going to get crushed in a stampede to the clubhouse buffet table.

[example1]

He'd be an improvement, but Dombrowski is a good negotiator. We'd have to see what he wants. They need a SS and some OF help, and we have none to offer that we don't need.

 

I am wondering what the Tigers are going to do with VMart when he comes back. There's no room at first base. He can't catch with the bad knee. Unless they make him a full time DH, they might be looking to move him. He'd be a good fit at first base for the Sox.

 

I don't know how good a fit he would be. His numbers were good for a catcher, not great for 1B and certainly not great coming off injury and with so much money owed him. I like the creative thinking, but I'm not convinced he would be a net gain. For that money couldn't they get LaRoche?

[BSN07]

Originally Posted by Elktonnick

Lucchino was interviewed on the D& C radio show this AM. He refused to either confirm or deny that the Red Sox were in discussions with the Royals about a Lester deal.

 

Like I said in the other thread it means they have had talks. If it was BS he would say it. He's not backing himself into a corner with a firm answer. This could also lead to the COF acquisition ex1 had reffered to if it's for Myers or Gordon.

[example1]

Acquisition could be a trade as well. Or did he specifically mention a Free Agent?

 

No, he mentioned a physical being completed. No specifics of trade or FA but he said something like "it wouldn't be a splash in the way some if those names you mentioned before would" (Hamilton and Napoli had been mentioned. He also said the initials were not CR. I suppose there's a small chance it is Wil Myers or Justin Upton, but a much bigger chance its the making official of Jonny Gomes. Pppffffttttt.....

[example1]

I hope it is Swisher. I like the cut of his jib. Is that the saying?

 

One would expect leaks soon if Swisher is going off the market. That stuff doesn't stay quiet for long.

[jung]

Jeez I swore Gomes was officially announced...no???? Good grief already I just can't believe that.

[BSN07]

I hope it is Swisher. I like the cut of his jib. Is that the saying?

 

One would expect leaks soon if Swisher is going off the market. That stuff doesn't stay quiet for long.

 

I wouldn't mind that, but I think LL would consider that a splashy move.

[Elktonnick]

LL also commented on the Sox intent to pursue deep depth. He virtually ruled out (although not completely) any 7 year deals, My take is the Sox will overpay for short term deals for the likes of a Swisher, Napoli or a Cody Ross over pursuing a Hamilton.

[BSN07]

He'd be an improvement, but Dombrowski is a good negotiator. We'd have to see what he wants. They need a SS and some OF help, and we have none to offer that we don't need.

 

I am wondering what the Tigers are going to do with VMart when he comes back. There's no room at first base. He can't catch with the bad knee. Unless they make him a full time DH, they might be looking to move him. He'd be a good fit at first base for the Sox.

 

What about a 3 team deal?

 

Texas gets Ellsbury, Detroit gets Andrus and the Red Sox get Porcello?

[BSN07]

LL also commented on the Sox intent to pursue deep depth. He virtually ruled out (although not completely) any 7 year deals, My take is the Sox will overpay for short term deals for the likes of a Swisher, Napoli or a Cody Ross over pursuing a Hamilton.

 

It's a possibility.

[a700hitter]

Why do you defend this type of sideswipe constantly? Multiple people have taken offense to comments like this and you tell them it isn't personal. Perhaps you don't interpret it that way, but others do and that's all that matters. It would be nice to be able to have people come here and express their concerns without being told that their perception is skewed, which is in and of itself insulting.

 

Now back to baseball. LL was just on WEEI and alluded to an impending COF acquisition. Unfortunately I think he meant Gomes. How long does it take to sign these guys? Geez, I thought that was done last week! Merry XMas at Fenway a700

When people talk about people being negative or critical in general without directing it at me, I don't take it as personal, because I don't view myself as unfairly critical or negative. Unfortunately, people like you are never satisfied making such general statements. It's always personal. If you take references to pollyannishness as a personal insult, that is your problem. If it hits too close to home, maybe you are one. Again that is not my problem, but a reference to that mindset without a name or names attached to it is not a personal insult or sideswipe. There are many Pollyannas, so you shouldn't take it personally.

 

Yes, let's get back to baseball. That's all I want. The FO is moving at a snails pace. I have no idea why, but it is making for a very boring off season.

[a700hitter]

I don't know how good a fit he would be. His numbers were good for a catcher, not great for 1B and certainly not great coming off injury and with so much money owed him. I like the creative thinking, but I'm not convinced he would be a net gain. For that money couldn't they get LaRoche?

Isn't his annual salary less than what is being offered to Napoli. I like him better than Napoli as an offensive player. I like that he is a switch hitter too.

[a700hitter]

What about a 3 team deal?

 

Texas gets Ellsbury, Detroit gets Andrus and the Red Sox get Porcello?

That's too high a price, IMO.

[jung]

I don't know if that would in and of itself rule out an effort regarding Hamilton cause nobody is talking about giving him 7 years and I don't think anybody will. However I am not surprised that the Sox are now non-plused by 7 year or longer deals.

 

I don't think that is specific to the Sox either which is good for them. I think a number of teams are somewhat non-plused by the long term deal. They will hopefully not find themselves behind the eight ball cause somebody else is willing to go out to 7 years for somebody.

[BSN07]

That's too high a price, IMO.

 

Really? For one year of Ellsbury? I don't see Porcello on next years free agent list, so they would be getting at least 2 years of control on Porcello.

[User Name]

The problem is that Porcello simply isn't very good.

[BSN07]

I don't know if that would in and of itself rule out an effort regarding Hamilton cause nobody is talking about giving him 7 years and I don't think anybody will. However I am not surprised that the Sox are now non-plused by 7 year or longer deals.

 

I don't think that is specific to the Sox either which is good for them. I think a number of teams are somewhat non-plused by the long term deal. They will hopefully not find themselves behind the eight ball cause somebody else is willing to go out to 7 years for somebody.

 

Hamilton would certainly be considered a splashy move though. And from LL's comments it doesn't appear to be a splashy acquisition. We will see. I'm going to be pissed if it's just the stupid Gomes signing.

[a700hitter]

Really? For one year of Ellsbury? I don't see Porcello on next years free agent list, so they would be getting at least 2 years of control on Porcello.

I am generally against trading everyday players for pitchers. Ellsbury has shown star potential. I am very much against trading everyday star players for pitchers, even front line pitchers. Porcello doesn't warrant Ellsbury as a return. IMO, the Tiger would jump at that, and the Sox would not offer it.

[BSN07]

Damnit I just went back through all the stories on MLBTR and there is no official signing anywhere. This announcement is going to be Gomes.

[jung]

This next move that LL is talking about is not likely to be Hamilton. I just would not rule Hamilton out unless they are paying big money for some other COF. The only thing that bothers me if this is Swisher or Ross is that it is a little to early for those two guys and a signing would suggest an overpay, maybe even a big overpay. Heck if they are going to overpay for one of those guys, overpay for Hamilton and really do something.

[jung]

Unbelievable.....glacial......is there an increment small enough to describe how quickly or slowly things happen down there.

[BSN07]

I am generally against trading everyday players for pitchers. Ellsbury has shown star potential. I am very much against trading everyday star players for pitchers, even front line pitchers. Porcello doesn't warrant Ellsbury as a return. IMO, the Tiger would jump at that, and the Sox would not offer it.

 

Ok, it's not an unreasonable way to look at it.

 

I guess I look at it as more of Ellsbury is here for this season, and highly unlikely to re-sign in Boston(Boras will be asking for a Crawford deal, I have absolutely no doubts) and getting back a young SP that has mid to upper rotation potential for at least 2 seasons is about the best I think we could expect for one year of Ellsbury with his inconsistent history.

[BSN07]

Unbelievable.....glacial......is there an increment small enough to describe how quickly or slowly things happen down there.

 

Things will pick up at the winter meetings. It's actually surprising to see one of the big names in Upton signed before them. When do they start anyways?