Dustin Pedroia

[Emmz]

Managers don't come up with a plan to get guys like Pedroia out? Haha.

 

No one says you can't have enough 2B because, like all positions, one regular takes up 95% of the playing time there. I'll take 160 games of top-form Pedroia over 35 games of top-form just about any pitcher. Unless there's a guy to replace his value to a level that this ace pitcher can more than make up for, I'd rather have Pedroia.

[jung]

I actually think the best path for the Sox to take will be to work to a longer range plan to rebuild this team. In the first place it will likely take some amount of luck to get a 1 in here for this rotation in one off season.

 

Doubt they will get that lucky.

[mvp 78]

What are people's expectations for Pedey this year? Will injuries continue to pile on, or will he turn back the clock?

 

I think something like .295/18/70. A good year, but nothing overly special. Good thing he's still great defensively.

[jung]

Pedey hits the big 30 next birthday and still plays the game as hard as anybody thought of playing it. Injuries do pile on though. If there is one thing we should have learned from last year its that Pedey is not super human. You get hurt..you may still try as hard but the result is just not the same.

 

After 30, you may remember what it was like to just sort of bounce when you took a tumble but now you just go splat. Is it any wonder that even in the contact sports, hitting the ground causes as many injuries as anything else. All that adult weight, even when your own, comes crashing down and some poor joint or your head gets caught between the onrushing ground and all that mass bearing down on the point of contact.

 

Don't see Pedey changing the way he plays. Just gotta' hope he survives it as long as he can.

[SoxSport]

Pedey is pretty close to Biggio as a player. Similar roles and impact. Biggio will be a HOFer in the next year or two. Pedey will get there, too.

[mvp 78]

Pedey only has 1,025. He's not getting to 3,000 or to the HOF.

[seabeachfred]

Personally I want to see Pedroia--1--A lifetime Red Sox player and 2--healthy this year so he can hit 305-20-84 or something in that vicinity. What we need this season is a real team effort from everyone, a commitment to leave it all on the field, come to ST with a determination to make up for what has recently taken place, and then play like the Red Sox played some years back when they were calling us the best team in baseball. Play our asses off.

[BSN07]

Pedey is going to need to adjust his game as he ages or he's just going to beat himself out of the league.

[a700hitter]

Joe Morgan was undersized like Pedey. His body held up long enough to make the HOF. Personally, I would never count Pedey out of anything.

[BSN07]

Joe Morgan was undersized like Pedey. His body held up long enough to make the HOF. Personally, I would never count Pedey out of anything.

 

I don't count him out, but I have a hard time seeing him getting 2K+ hits in the next 10 years. I can seem him getting around 200 a season for te next 5, but beyond that is a tough call. And he's gonna have to get 3K hits to have a shot at getting in IMO.

[Palodios]

I don't count him out, but I have a hard time seeing him getting 2K+ hits in the next 10 years. I can seem him getting around 200 a season for te next 5, but beyond that is a tough call. And he's gonna have to get 3K hits to have a shot at getting in IMO.

 

If he averages 195 through the next five years, 165 through the following five, and 90 or so from ages 41/42, he'll get there. I see him playing in his early 40s, based on his energy and love for the game. 3000 hits isn't impossible, but he needs to stay healthy.

[BSN07]

If he averages 195 through the next five years, 165 through the following five, and 90 or so from ages 41/42, he'll get there. I see him playing in his early 40s, based on his energy and love for the game. 3000 hits isn't impossible, but he needs to stay healthy.

 

I can see him playing that long if he starts taking care of his body now. The more he runs through walls and fights against the occasional day off will shorten his career. If he is to get to 3000 hits he will need to pace himself. Something that will be difficult for a player of his ilk.

[SoxSport]

Pedey only has 1,025. He's not getting to 3,000 or to the HOF.

 

He'll make it if he can put together another half dozen good years. #3000 hits isn't written in stone as a HOF requirement. It's the makeup of the player and all-around performance.

[BSN07]

He'll make it if he can put together another half dozen good years. #3000 hits isn't written in stone as a HOF requirement. It's the makeup of the player and all-around performance.

 

3K hits is a mark that pretty much guarantees your in. Anything below and it will be a tougher case. But by the time Pedey is eligible the voting process and requirements could be different then now.

[SoxSport]

3K hits is a mark that pretty much guarantees your in. Anything below and it will be a tougher case. But by the time Pedey is eligible the voting process and requirements could be different then now.

 

 

Yeah, like wins for pitchers which seems almost irrelevant today in cy voting. That will help Schilling in the future. Think he has a good shot based on post-season record.

[Palodios]

3K hits is a mark that pretty much guarantees your in. Anything below and it will be a tougher case. But by the time Pedey is eligible the voting process and requirements could be different then now.

 

Here's a crazy thought. Pedroia's HOF candidacy is going to depend on where Cano goes in 2014. HOF panels love hardware.

 

If the Yankees retain him, Cano will continue getting the golden-class award every year, despite Pedroia's vastly superior defense. Simply leaving the Yankees will hurt Cano's award chances and push them more towards Pedroia's favor. If he ends up in the NL, I'd say Pedroia pulls many more All-Star berths and maybe a few sluggers.

[a700hitter]

Morgan didn't have 3,000 hits nor did Sandberg. If Pedey gets another MVP, gets 200 career HRs or 1,000 RBI, that would put him in consideration as a second baseman.

[onlybereaved]

Sorry to break the news to you, but Pedey will be signing a deal with the Red Sox similar to what Longoria just signed in TB.

 

Guy will play harder than anyone else, and pull through yet again, and again. Ironically, in large part because of people with the same opinion as yours.

 

Edit to clarify, my post is directed at the thread-starter.

[BSN07]

Sorry to break the news to you, but Pedey will be signing a deal with the Red Sox similar to what Longoria just signed in TB.

 

Guy will play harder than anyone else, and pull through yet again, and again. Ironically, in large part because of people with the same opinion as yours.

 

Edit to clarify, my post is directed at the thread-starter.

 

What? No he won't. Are you drunk? He's 30 and not they typical middle of the order bat like Longoria. On the open market Pedey would probably get something like 5 years at 15M AAV. He won't be signing any 10 year deals.

[onlybereaved]

Time will tell I guess. I see him having a couple of solid seasons and then securing a deal with Boston that ensures he remains with the team indefinetely. You're entitled to your differing view, but you sir may be 'drunk' by thinking we are going to 1) get rid of him, and 2) be lucky for a reasonable ROI in doing so.

 

He is incredibly valuable to the Red Sox, as would he be to any team if for any reason he did leave Boston.

[jacksonianmarch]

He isn't leaving Boston, he's their retort to Jeter. That being said, I see him as your typical little guy, deteriorating a little earlier than most. He probably puts up his final all star caliber year at the age of 32 or so.

[mvp 78]

He isn't leaving Boston, he's their retort to Jeter. That being said, I see him as your typical little guy, deteriorating a little earlier than most. He probably puts up his final all star caliber year at the age of 32 or so.

 

So you're saying a 10 year Longoria deal would be a great move for him then?

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd love it if they did that. Maybe an ARod deal would do

[SoxSport]

Pedey IS the Red Sox. 'Nuf said.

[a700hitter]

Pedey IS the Red Sox. 'Nuf said.

He's the catalyst. When he is hot the team wins big and it makes us think that the team is better than it is. That is how hot he gets when he goes on a tear. It is the times when Pedey is not hot that you can see what kind of team we have.

[example1]

Morgan didn't have 3,000 hits nor did Sandberg. If Pedey gets another MVP, gets 200 career HRs or 1,000 RBI, that would put him in consideration as a second baseman.

 

I just went ahead and took the numbers of the 19 2B listed in the HOF here (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofst2b.shtml).

 

Then I projected Pedroia's seasons moving forward through his age 36 season, assuming that he has another season or two that is at or above his career averages, and then a steady decline down to 75% of his career average production in age 36. I kept an optimistic OBP projection, because that's a good skill of his.

 

Anyway, these would be his career totals and rank among that group of 19 in each

 

Hits: 2,299 (12)

Avg: .295 (10)

OBP: 365 (12)

SLG: .461 (7)

OPS: .826 (9)

HR: 203 (7)

RBI: 916 (16)

R: 1,257 (12)

SB: 230 (10)

 

I think the fact that he would be in the middle of the pack in all of those categories among current HOF 2Bs means that he would be a very, very strong candidate to get in. Add another couple GGs and I think he would be in for sure.

 

of course, this assumes he keeps up something like his current production.

[BSN07]

Time will tell I guess. I see him having a couple of solid seasons and then securing a deal with Boston that ensures he remains with the team indefinetely. You're entitled to your differing view, but you sir may be 'drunk' by thinking we are going to 1) get rid of him, and 2) be lucky for a reasonable ROI in doing so.

 

He is incredibly valuable to the Red Sox, as would he be to any team if for any reason he did leave Boston.

Just because I said no on a super long term deal like Longoria's doesn't mean I'm saying they should get rid of him. What they should do is sign him until he's 35 and then go from there. Anything beyond that is risky.

I'd love it if they did that. Maybe an ARod deal would do

 

onlybereaved, this quote from the Yankee fan should be enough to make you understand a big long term deal(6+ years) for Pedey at this point is just not smart at all. In fact in todays game with, signing anyone beyond 35 is a crap shoot.

[Behindenemylines]

I love Pedria, but the way he plays the game all out he has had to deal with injuries the past few seasons. I don't see Pedria changing the way he plays so he might not last to far into his 30s. With that said he might not have enough numbers to put him in the HOF.

[onlybereaved]

Yeah, I understand the valid points brought to the discussion; I am not oblivious to the realities of the situation. I'm not street-dreamin' here.

 

When I say similar to the Longoria TB deal, I don't mean 10 years or even necessarily the equivalent money in that transaction. What I mean is, I believe that both parties (Red Sox & Pedey) will mutually seek a contract which is conducive of Dustin finishing his career playing for the Boston Red Sox. That's far from a stretch, it's quite likely.

 

Let's say the contract is more like 6 years with a clause or option which allows them to figure something out past that if need be. The point is, Dustin would likely gladly even take a pay-cut (so to speak) to ink a deal like this; It's also important to note that both the Red Sox and Dustin are intelligent enough to realize that he's too high strung and gritty to last more than 6-ish years at the rate he's going. They won't handcuff themselves into a dangerous deal that would screw them up financially in the future. I am not suggesting that they would.The guy will most likely end up managing the team shortly after retiring, for frigs sake. He knows that he's not Josh Hamilton, and I doubt he cares much for looking at leaving Boston just because he can make a few more bucks elsewhere, again 'similar to the Longoria TB deal'.

 

Point is, he is valuable to the Red Sox beyond his offensive or defensive field abilities. This thread asked if the Red Sox should get rid of him now before he's not worth anything, etc. I am suggesting the complete opposite. That's all.

[User Name]

The misunderstanding happened because you misused the term x-type deal. When you use that term you're talking about a contract with extremely similar years/ money attached to the contract you're using as a benchmark. They thought you were referring to a ten year deal for similar money, and rightfully so. They called you out on it, as they should have given Pedroia's age. What you meant was impossible to decipher given the choice of words.