Ellsbury made of glass?

[jacksonianmarch]

In 2008, 2009, and 2011, Ellsbury played 145, 153, and 158 games respectively. He played only 18 games in 2010 and 7 games thus far this season. I keep hearing that he is made of glass. Guys, if Cal Ripken took a knee to the ribs from Beltre back around the turn of the century, the streak would have ended. If Hank Aaron had a player land on his shoulder and it subluxed, he'd have missed a few months. He's not made of glass. He goes all out and freak s*** has happened to him, twice. JD Drew was made of glass. This kid was just in the wrong place at the wrong time twice

[Cocos Disciples]

I thought this was the popular consensus on this board?

[mvp 78]

Why is glass armor so strong in video games?

[jacksonianmarch]

I thought this was the popular consensus on this board?

 

It seems the prospect-nicks are ushering him out as a guy made of glass to usher in Jackie Bradley Jr. Bradley's best year will not come close to what Ells did last yr

[SoxFanForsyth]

He should wear more underarmor.

 

Get it?

 

Clever. I know.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It seems the prospect-nicks are ushering him out as a guy made of glass to usher in Jackie Bradley Jr. Bradley's best year will not come close to what Ells did last yr

 

I don't think people are trying to usher him out because he's made of glass. I think people understand we aren't going to be able to drop 8/160mm on multiple players, so if we're going to spend that money, we should spend it on a guy like Cole Hamels instead of a guy like Ellsbury, especially since we've got young OF (Kalish, Bradley, potentially even Bogaerts) who can come up and take his spot. Not 30/30, .320 production, but this team doesn't need to be a gluten of offense. They need to be more balanced, which means getting an ace.

[Station 13]

Umm yeah it's not like he tweak his back, hamstrings, etc. These were impacted physical injuries.

[Laser Show]

I would absolutely love to keep Ellsbury over CC at 8/160, but what's done is done. CC is signed long term, and our offense is elite without either of them. Our starting pitching is weak, and that's where our money needs to go. If we could find someone, anyone, to take CC off our hands without paying too much of his contract, then I say do it, and then sign a #1 and Ellsbury long term.

[SoxSport]

He's gotten two major injuries--the first one was not of his making. the FO dolts moved him to LF for that relic Cameron, and he promptly got steamrollered by Beltre in a collision chasing a pop fly. The second one was a freak. He landed on the ground face up at 2B , and the TB SS used his shoulder for a trampolin. Just bad luck on both counts. Otherwise, he's been durable.

 

The Sox have too too many injuries. Other teams have them, too, of course. But the Sox seem snakebitten. They unload Youks, and Middlebrooks goes down. I hope they are taking a close look at their methods, and making sure they aren't making injuries easier to happen. Why, for example, was MBrooks trying to steal a base when he had previously tweaked his hamstring? Read that somewhere.

 

The other problem is it seems to take forever for the Sox to get players back from injuries. They spend too much time rehabbing in the minor leagues. Ellsbury hit a HR yesterday somewhere. He's ready to play and should be in Boston right now at least pinch hitting. The guy's been out for almost 3 months, and his shoulder was not separated--more strained, I guess. Why so long?

[Spitball]

The same thing was being said about Carlton Fisk after injuries limited his play in 1974 and 1975 to an average of 65 games per year. He ended his career as the all-time leader in games caught.

[User Name]

I have never seen a poster on any site as predictable as Jacksonianmarch. But hey, in baseball, consistency is a good thing. Even if you're consistently bad, you're still consistent.

[jacksonianmarch]

UN, you havent been around the site of late, have you. And did you read my post? Evidently not, since you apparently have no idea what you are talking about

[User Name]

Oh i know what i'm talking about. Every other day you make one of these threads about how this player regressed, this player sucks blablabla. It's why you have your very own chart.

 

I mean, it's a compliment, but i see it as a backhanded one looking to heat up the discussion about him being made of glass. If i'm wrong, i'd be surprised.

[jacksonianmarch]

I never said anything about a player regressing. READ THE POST. I said Ellsbury is not made of glass and has had two freak accidents happen to him.

[User Name]

You love busting balls.....why u get mad when i bust yours? XD

[jacksonianmarch]

I have no problem with people busting me for something I am doing. I dont like it when I get busted for something I am not doing

[User Name]

Make your bed and all that.....don't get mad brah.

[SoxSport]

I agree Ells had two freak accidents. I recall Fisk kept getting hit in the cup with foul tips. It became a real problem.

 

Fisk and Lynn were left hanging by Haywood Sullivan, who hated free agency. It was maybe the worst GM decision in Boston's history (Babe Ruth was an owner's decision)--at least until Epstein starting signing expensive FAs--regardless of need-- the last few years.

[FredLynn]

Oh i know what i'm talking about. Every other day you make one of these threads about how this player regressed, this player sucks blablabla. It's why you have your very own chart.

 

I mean, it's a compliment, but i see it as a backhanded one looking to heat up the discussion about him being made of glass. If i'm wrong, i'd be surprised.

 

Unfortunately, most of the time Jacko is right. Some of the bonnetheads here just don't like to hear the truth when in conflicts with their own entrenched opinions.

[User Name]

Unfortunately' date=' most of the time Jacko is right. Some of the bonnetheads here just don't like to hear the truth when in conflicts with their own entrenched opinions.[/quote']

 

He's saying Ellsbury is NOT made of glass. Did you read his post?

[FredLynn]

He's saying Ellsbury is NOT made of glass. Did you read his post?

 

Ellsbury has put himself in positions of needless risk. He can change that. As far as I know, he has no chronic injuries.

Besides that, I didn't say that Jacko is always right or that I agree with everything he has to say.I said that he is usually right in his criticism of our team. Sox fans tend to take far too rosy a view of the team because some have a biased viewpoint-"its the Red Sox; it must be right or good". Our team is mediocre this year and has been mediocre plus for several years now. We simply aren't that good. Where I disagree with Jacko is in his evaluation of our younger players, Middlebrooks especially. Its too early to judge how he will perform.

[User Name]

Ellsbury has put himself in positions of needless risk. He can change that. As far as I know, he has no chronic injuries.

Besides that, I didn't say that Jacko is always right or that I agree with everything he has to say.I said that he is usually right in his criticism of our team. Sox fans tend to take far too rosy a view of the team because some have a biased viewpoint-"its the Red Sox; it must be right or good". Our team is mediocre this year and has been mediocre plus for several years now. We simply aren't that good. Where I disagree with Jacko is in his evaluation of our younger players, Middlebrooks especially. Its too early to judge how he will perform.

 

Because of that one time he slid wrong and jammed his shoulder? Where do you come up with this stuff? XD

[FredLynn]

Because of that one time he slid wrong and jammed his shoulder? Where do you come up with this stuff? XD

 

Better technique might have avoided that injury, yes. And running into Beltre was not particularly smart either.

[User Name]

Better technique might have avoided that injury' date=' yes. And running into Beltre was not particularly smart either.[/quote']

 

You can blame the FO and Beltre on that one. You can have the shoulder injury, but everything else is just a load of exaggeration.

[a700hitter]

Better technique might have avoided that injury' date=' yes. And running into Beltre was not particularly smart either.[/quote']Better technique would have prevented the shoulder injury. There's no doubt about that. He left the shoulder in a very vulnerable position. Poor fundamentals.

[Emmz]

Not made of glass, and I don't fear for his durability in any way.

[FredLynn]

You can blame the FO and Beltre on that one. You can have the shoulder injury' date=' but everything else is just a load of exaggeration.[/quote']

 

You are smarter than that. Ellsbury has to play with better form or he will keep getting injured. That can be taught and practiced. He needs to pay attention to who else is running after a fly ball and either call for it loudly or back off.

The bottom line is that more often than not, Jacko's criticisms of our team are not based in Yankee bias. They are based in logic...unfortunately.

[User Name]

You are smarter than that. Ellsbury has to play with better form or he will keep getting injured. That can be taught and practiced. He needs to pay attention to who else is running after a fly ball and either call for it loudly or back off.

The bottom line is that more often than not, Jacko's criticisms of our team are not based in Yankee bias. They are based in logic...unfortunately.

 

The assessments of HIS team are the ones based on Yankee bias. Hence the chart. But that's not the point, since he does acknowledge when he's mostly busting balls.

 

As for the rest of your post, if you're saying most of his criticisms are based on logic, how about this one: He just said Ellsbury has suffered two impact injuries, ONE of which was avoidable. The collision with Beltre was not his fault at all, and i agree. Stop pretending it was to try and prove and absolutely asinine point. You're smarter than that.

[FredLynn]

The assessments of HIS team are the ones based on Yankee bias. Hence the chart. But that's not the point, since he does acknowledge when he's mostly busting balls.

 

As for the rest of your post, if you're saying most of his criticisms are based on logic, how about this one: He just said Ellsbury has suffered two impact injuries, ONE of which was avoidable. The collision with Beltre was not his fault at all, and i agree. Stop pretending it was to try and prove and absolutely asinine point. You're smarter than that.

 

Running into another player because you weren't paying attention was not his fault. Right. Couldn't have been avoided.

I will have to try that one on my car insurance carrier next time I nail a tree.

[User Name]

Running into another player because you weren't paying attention was not his fault. Right. Couldn't have been avoided.

I will have to try that one on my car insurance carrier next time I nail a tree.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7397337

 

This a link to the video of the collision. It's clearly Ellsbury's ball, who's the one facing the ball. Please tell me how this is his and not Beltre's fault.