6/29 Redsox @ Mariners

[Youk Of The Nation]

Anyone think the "allegations" Ortiz had to deal with will affect his HOF status?

 

No, because as much as I love Ortiz, he didn't have much of a HOF status to begin with.

[ellsburyforMVP]

No' date=' because as much as I love Ortiz, he didn't have much of a HOF status to begin with.[/quote']

 

400+ hr and close to 1500 RBI when he's done? You must be joking

[Station 13]

DFA Gonzo. Perez just own him.

[Youk Of The Nation]

400+ hr and close to 1500 RBI when he's done? You must be joking

 

Not because of his stats, but because fairly or unfairly, as a DH he will have a hard time getting considered.

[Cocos Disciples]

Not because of his stats' date=' but because fairly or unfairly, as a DH he will have a hard time getting considered.[/quote']

 

Yeah. Edgar Martinez has to get in first for Ortiz to have a shot.

[redsoxbeatz]

^^^ totally sucks.

 

Best DH ever.

[FredLynn]

DFA Gonzo. Perez just own him.

 

Everybody owns him. He is back under .270 and OPS at .731. What a deal for $20M, eh? Woulda saved money and extended JD Drew for that money.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Not because of his stats' date=' but because fairly or unfairly, as a DH he will have a hard time getting considered.[/quote']

 

Well there's plenty of 1b in the HOF, and I'm sorry but just about anyone can and do play 1b..... I'm too tired to look, but I'm sure I can find more than a few horrible defensive 1b with similar numbers offensively

[FredLynn]

Cook gets out of this inning with no runs surrendered and this game is OVAH.

[FredLynn]

Well there's plenty of 1b in the HOF' date=' and I'm sorry but just about anyone can and do play 1b..... I'm too tired to look, but I'm sure I can find more than a few horrible defensive 1b with similar numbers offensively[/quote']

 

That ain't the way it works

[ellsburyforMVP]

Yeah. Edgar Martinez has to get in first for Ortiz to have a shot.

 

100 more hr for papi and 100 more RBI? Edgar =309 hr 1260 rbi

[Cocos Disciples]

Well there's plenty of 1b in the HOF' date=' and I'm sorry but just about anyone can and do play 1b..... I'm too tired to look, but I'm sure I can find more than a few horrible defensive 1b with similar numbers offensively[/quote']

 

First base is not the same as DH. It's not a valid comparison.

[Palodios]

Yeah. Edgar Martinez has to get in first for Ortiz to have a shot.

 

Ortiz will probably retire with 150+ more home runs....

[NC Sox Fan]

D Ped!

[Cocos Disciples]

Holy s*** what a play.

 

And yeah Edgar doesn't have the counting stats but .312/.418/.515, and widely considered by the voters (the people who matter in this issue) as the best DH of all time. If Edgar isn't in, Ortiz won't get in.

[SemperFi Sox]

What a play.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Cook gets out of this inning with no runs surrendered and this game is OVAH.

 

Games been over... WMB has an RBI

[FredLynn]

WOW...spectacular DP.

Game over.

[SoxFanForsyth]

WOW...spectacular DP.

Game over.

 

No way man. Sox need at least 6-7 to win this game.

[FredLynn]

Are there ANY DHs in the HOF?

[ellsburyforMVP]

First base is not the same as DH. It's not a valid comparison.

 

I'm just saying if a " defensive liability" at 1b has the same numbers? How and why should it matter if he was a " position player"?

[jung]

Whether we can find poor defensive 1st basemen or not is not the issue. The DH has not been really considered a "position" since its inception. The closest it got was a period of about 5-6 years when there were several AL teams with guys you could consider full time DH's. Now even that is on the decline and it is going back to how it was originally conceived....a job shared by a number of everyday players that play in the field for the most part.

 

It is that lack of perspective as an actual position that kills it for the guys that had enjoyed most of their success as everyday DH's. I don't think you will see any of them get in especially now that guys who are the DH virtually every day are getting fewer and farther between.

[FredLynn]

No way man. Sox need at least 6-7 to win this game.

 

Turns out five is JUST enough.......

What a game by Cook. I did not see that coming at all.

BTW: anyone following the Giants? They had four consecutive shutouts by their SP. Pretty amazing.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Are there ANY DHs in the HOF?

 

How long has the DH been around?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Couple hits' date=' at least 1 of which is an XBH.[/quote']

 

Heyyy!!! Very nice I like.

[Cocos Disciples]

I'm just saying if a " defensive liability" at 1b has the same numbers? How and why should it matter if he was a " position player"?

 

Okay, why limit this to 1B? Plenty of defensive liabilities at all positions. It matters to the voters, though.

[FredLynn]

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv94/mechetesaint/swami.jpg

 

FORSYTHE

[ellsburyforMVP]

Okay' date=' why limit this to 1B? Plenty of defensive liabilities at all positions. It matters to the voters, though.[/quote']

 

I'm just saying..... And papi can and does handle himself pretty well for a non-everyday position player..... I don't think he should be hand-cuffed because , like now we have gonzo ( gold glover ) youk before etc playing great defense at 1b

[SoxFanForsyth]

I am rarely correct, so I have to make sure everyone knows when I am.

[jung]

Maybe it should be different but it won't be. I don't think the guys that enjoyed the bulk of their success as full time DH's will ever get HOF consideration. It is a job, not a position. You are designated as the hitter for the pitcher and that perspective is what will keep the DH's from getting in. Might have eventually turned the other way, if the trend of everyday DH had continued but it has not. Ortiz is now the exception, not the rule.