2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[SoxSport]

Lester will be an ace if dealt' date=' it will be just our luck. Everyone leaves us and does better.[/quote']

 

Youkilis did, after a few games in Chicago. I don't think some of these guys are putting out.

Lucchino/Henry handled the management change terribly, and there may be some rebeling going on.

[SemperFi Sox]

Youkilis did, after a few games in Chicago. I don't think some of these guys are putting out.

Lucchino/Henry handled the management change terribly, and there may be some rebeling going on.

 

Reddick, Lowrie...career years

[SouthieFanatic]

I'm beginning to think they have to trade Beckett and Lester. These guys have a problem. I don't think it's physical, so it has to be mental. They are underachieving, and maybe it's time to move both of them.

The players seems to have gotten an upper hand in recent years, and maybe they don't like change.

 

You make a very good point. There comes a time in alot of athletes careers where they need a change for themselves, not just the team.

[Spitball]

I don't see anyone wanting to bring on either Beckett or Lester. Why would they? I assume most teams can fill the bottom of their rotations with comparable inconsistency.

[italstallianion]

I imagine that Lester would still have a reasonably high trade value. Beckett...well that's another story. Then again we don't have a great history with a lot of trades anyway.

[win red sox]

Larry Luccino has come out said the Sox will be aggressive and explore "bold moves" prior to the deadline, so I tried to think of same trade ideas outside the box.

 

1) It appears that Hammels and Greinke will either be resigned or cost a kings ransom,

Ben should call Texas and send Beckett and 15 million for Minor leaguer's justin grimm or will lamb. Texas needs another starter and I think Beckett will accept a trade to his home state. Both lamb and grimm are power arms who could contribute in 2014 and most importantly we get Beckett out of Boston.

 

2) I do think that Miami and Boston are talking about about a blockbuster trade and I think there is a trade that would benefit both teams. Crawford, Lester, Ranaudo, Salty, Bard, and Gomez for Hanley Ramirez, Heath Bell, and Josh Johnson. I do believe that Miami is growing tired of Hanley and will do anything to get rid of Bell, the kicker is Johnson who has been up and down this year and is a free agent after 2013 but when he's right he is a true ace. The aav Boston would receive from this acquisition would be about 31million and the aav Miami would receive about 26 million.

 

3) Ben should call Arizona and make a bold offer for Justin Upton. I would offer Iglesias, Brentz, Aviles, Cecchini, and Aceves. I know Upton is having a down year, but just like ellsbury last year he was in the mvp coversation and is only 24 yrs old. This actually is a pretty good deal for Arizona as they get a mlb ready ss as it appears there trying to move drew, they get there future 3b and rf and a swingman in aceves. Boston would take about a 7 million hit on the aav on this deal.

 

Ellsbury cf

Pedroia 2b

Ortiz dh

Upton rf

Gonzalez 1b

Ross lf

Ramirez ss

Middlebrooks 3b

Lav/shoppach c

 

Ciriaco

Sweeney

Nava

lav/shoppach

 

Johnson

Buchholz

Morales

Doubrant

Cook

 

Bailey

Bell

Miller

Hill

Albers

Padilla

Atchison

 

 

These are bold moves, Boston keeps there top prospects (Bogarts,Bradley,Barnes) and if Hanley,Justin, and Josh don't work out, let them go and get the draft picks.

[mvp 78]

LL's definition of bold moves isn't the same as ours unfortunately.

[jung]

LL's definition of a bold move will be whatever deal they put together to get Garza who will immediately be touted as the second coming of Cy Young as soon as that deal is made. I am more worried that the Sox will overpay and then some for Garza just to make the deal and make good on LL's "bold" pronouncements.

[mvp 78]

LL's bold move: resign

[Laser Show]

I recently read an interview with Jon Lester and it made me see him in a new light. I thought he was a primadonna cut from the same mold as Josh Beckett. I think Beckett is the cancer now, without doubt. Move him and our problems go away (hopefully). It's a really good read, and I suggest you all take a look at it.

 

(Sorry if it's been posted)

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8179592/jon-lester-remains-confident-struggles

 

"That's not what I want to do. I don't want to show up at the park and go, '[Expletive], I'm going to give up seven runs in four innings and call it a day, then go home and count my money because that's all that matters."'

 

...

 

"It always comes back to money," he said. "Do you honestly think everybody in this room is really happy with where we're at? That's what I don't get, that's what I don't understand. It always goes back to what guys are making. 'These million-dollar babies are whining, they don't care.'

 

"Yeah, we get paid a lot of money. I understand that. But just because we get paid a lot of money doesn't mean we don't care. This kills me. It's tough. I hate losing. I hate getting beat. I'm not used to it. It's something I've never done in my life. Maybe this is a year that's going to strengthen me and make me a better pitcher in the future.

[SoxSport]

LL's definition of bold moves isn't the same as ours unfortunately.

 

I agree with Larry they need some bold moves. Theo screwed the pooch with some bad signings and deals, Larry did the same with his handling of the management changes, and now they have to change direction in a few places. Trouble is, I don't think they have the right leadership in the front office to do the job. Cherington strikes me as being too conservative and inexperienced to pull the trigger. Not aggressive enough. Passive is the word. Complacent is another--which maybe characterizes the organization.

 

I hope they are considering that deal with Miami for CC. That would be a pretty bold move and get them out of that 6 year hole they are in with Crawford. It strikes me on the surface as a deal that could help all the players involved--with the change of scenery. A big RHd power guy like Hanley R. can't help but profit from Fenway, and the larger OF spaces in Miami's park would help Carl--along with their greater emphasis on speed. Miami has a pretty bold organization--from the off-season moves they have made. That is a marked contrast to the present Red Sox management.

 

Seems to me, Carl or Ells has to go--just from a salary viewpoint. But also because of two LHd hitters at the top of the lineup who are about the same. If you're going to bat these guys 1-2, they better get walks and run like hell. Unfortunately, neither guy gets walks. The chemistry just isn't there keeping both these guys.

 

The other option would be to trade Ells--for an ace like Felix. Maybe toss in Beckett for Vargas and League. Make Seattle an offer they can't refuse. Heck, they would be nuts not to take Ells for Felix. Besides, there's no guarantee Ells will re-sign in Boston.

 

The 3rd "bold move" would be trading Beckett or Lester. Especially Beckett, who I think wants to be traded. He's certainly pitching like that. Lester is home-grown, younger and cheaper, but they still should be listening to deals for him.

[Laser Show]

Trade CC for Hanley and we *might* be able to re-sign Ellsbury. I think that alone would make the trade worth it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If the Phillies sign Hamels, which it is looking like they will, I say the Sox go for Cliff Lee. I know his numbers are down in terms of ERA, but hear me out here.

 

- The Phillies will likely eat about $5-7mm of his salary per season, meaning they would be leaving about $18-20mm per year for the Sox to pick up. This would allow the Phillies to go out and resign guys like Hunter Pence.

 

- The Sox need an ace, and at $18-20mm, that's a better deal than you would get on the open market.

 

- Lee has an FIP of 3.04. His K/9 (8.57) and BB/9 (1.78) are both better than his career numbers. This is almost the opposite of a Ryan Dempster deal. Dempster will regress back to his career numbers once traded. Lee will likely do the same, but in the opposite direction.

 

- Lee gives us that bona fide ace that we need. It allows Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, and Doubront to slot down. I mean honestly. Buchholz as your #4? That's ridiculous.

 

I am going on record and saying I think the Sox should trade for Cliff Lee.

[italstallianion]

I think they should trade for Lee too, but I don't think they will. And there are times where Buchholz hasn't even pitched worthy of a spot at all, let alone a #4. I'll admit that he's been pitching better as of late though, I wish I could say the same about Beckett/Lester.

[User Name]

If the Phillies sign Hamels, which it is looking like they will, I say the Sox go for Cliff Lee. I know his numbers are down in terms of ERA, but hear me out here.

 

- The Phillies will likely eat about $5-7mm of his salary per season, meaning they would be leaving about $18-20mm per year for the Sox to pick up. This would allow the Phillies to go out and resign guys like Hunter Pence.

 

- The Sox need an ace, and at $18-20mm, that's a better deal than you would get on the open market.

 

- Lee has an FIP of 3.04. His K/9 (8.57) and BB/9 (1.78) are both better than his career numbers. This is almost the opposite of a Ryan Dempster deal. Dempster will regress back to his career numbers once traded. Lee will likely do the same, but in the opposite direction.

 

- Lee gives us that bona fide ace that we need. It allows Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, and Doubront to slot down. I mean honestly. Buchholz as your #4? That's ridiculous.

 

I am going on record and saying I think the Sox should trade for Cliff Lee.

 

Why would the Phillies trade Lee away though?

[Spitball]

Why would the Phillies trade Lee away though?

 

And why would they eat any of his salary? They are not desperate to unload him.

[Brennan]

I say we trade Beckett for anyone who can actually pitch and call it a day. Lester will probably be better next season. If not, do the same with him.

 

And do ANYTHING it takes to re-sign Ellsbury.

[jung]

I actually think that while Garza does not really resolve the pitching problems that the Sox have, their interest in Garza is based on concern that the entire rotation is going to collapse.

 

Frank and Felix cannot be expect to pitch big innings this year. The Sox are lucky they have done what they have done so far. Cook has turned out to be an interesting addition because he absolutely positively has to keep the ball down and so far he has.

 

But right now you have a junk baller...Cook, a hard throwing LH pitcher that cannot pitch that many innings for you this season...Frank.....another young LH pitcher that looks like he will be a starting pitcher ether here or elsewhere....Felix, who is also going to be on limited innings, Buch, Beckett and Lester. I don't see any chance of those six guys getting the Sox through the season.

 

If anything Beckett and Lester are already part way through a collapse and Felix and Frank have already pitched a fair number of innings. Buch who to me looks like the best of the bunch is kinda' fragile physically.

 

So I think Garza is more about trying to avoid finishing the year again with a rotation that is a compete embarrassment.

[a700hitter]

LL's bold move: resign

[VA Sox Fan]

LL's bold move: resign

 

:thumbsup:

[SoxFanForsyth]

And why would they eat any of his salary? They are not desperate to unload him.

 

Why would the Phillies trade Lee away though?

 

From everything that I have heard, the Phillies can't afford both Hamels and Lee, so if they resign Hamels, then Lee will likely be available. Especially if they want to keep their offensive pieces like Hunter Pence.

 

Nobody is going to take on a 34 year old guy with 5 years left for $25mm. But if you drop that down to about $18mm, you'll likely get some interest, and you'll get some better prospects. On top of that, the Phils would be able to retain some of their bats.

[SoxSport]

From everything that I have heard' date=' the Phillies can't afford both Hamels and Lee,[/b'] so if they resign Hamels, then Lee will likely be available. Especially if they want to keep their offensive pieces like Hunter Pence.

 

Nobody is going to take on a 34 year old guy with 5 years left for $25mm. But if you drop that down to about $18mm, you'll likely get some interest, and you'll get some better prospects. On top of that, the Phils would be able to retain some of their bats.

 

 

I don't know where you heard that (one of those NY pundits?), but I don't think so. The Phillies know their heart and soul are the big starters, and as long as those guys are effective, I don't think they'll deal any of them. They appear to have offered the kind of money to Hamels to keep him happy in Philly. That doesn't mean they couldn't unload salary

in other places, however. Victorino is one rumor.

[example1]

I haven't heard that they can't afford both Hamels and Lee (and Halladay) but would anyone be shocked if they preferred not to? I can see them wanting to avoid a huge salary for three pitchers, two of whom are on the wrong side of their careers. Unfortunately for the Phills, just like the Sox, they are probably stuck with their top two. Fortunately for them, both Lee and Halladay have MUCH higher upsides than Beckett and Lester. Unfortunately for them, they don't have nearly the offensive firepower that the Sox do. I would rather be the Sox, honestly.

 

I wouldn't be against the Sox being aggressive to land a guy like Hamels, depending of course on the asking price. If a huge upside-low current success guy like Ranaudo could get the job done I would be okay with that deal. Hamels is both the type of acquisition who could put the Sox over the top for a WC spot, and the type of guy who could win a one-game WC play-in. With the Sox defense, offense and bullpen I would actually give them even odds in a first round series against, say, Anaheim, or the White Sox.

[a700hitter]

White Sox Acquire Brett Myers

By Zach Links [July 21 at 2:12pm CST]

 

The White Sox have acquired Brett Myers from the Astros, a source tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). It is not yet known what the White Sox will receive in return.

 

Myers, 31, has a $10MM option for 2013 that will vest if he finishes 45 games and doesn't end the season on the disabled list. To date, the closer has finished 29 games with 35 appearances in total. Myers has been linked to a handful of clubs recently including the Cardinals and the Mets but the White Sox weren't among the teams rumored to be interested.

[Spitball]

From everything that I have heard, the Phillies can't afford both Hamels and Lee, so if they resign Hamels, then Lee will likely be available. Especially if they want to keep their offensive pieces like Hunter Pence.

 

Nobody is going to take on a 34 year old guy with 5 years left for $25mm. But if you drop that down to about $18mm, you'll likely get some interest, and you'll get some better prospects. On top of that, the Phils would be able to retain some of their bats.

 

I have seen a couple of specualtions (one from Gammons) that Lee could be traded, but certainly wouldn't say, "everything I've heard."

 

Even if the Phillies did see fit to trade Lee, I doubt the Red Sox can compete with Texas (among others) for Lee's services. Texas can start a package with the number 4 prospect in all of baseball, Jurckson Profar, who is blocked by Elvis Andrus. They can also add number 22 prospect in Martin Perez. The Red Sox can't compete with teams willing to deal top prospects.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I guess I should clarify -

 

I've heard Gammons, Olney, I think Mirosi/Rosenthal all talk about "If the Phillies sign Hamels, Team X will be looking to trade for in Cliff Lee."

 

I've heard the Cardinals and Rangers mentioned, so I assumed that Lee would be on the block if Hamels is resigned. It makes sense, too, so I wouldn't be surprised. We'll see. Only 10 more days until the deadline.

[SemperFi Sox]

Braves have inquired about Lester.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/braves-inquired-about-jon-lester.html

[italstallianion]

I for one would love to see what the Braves would offer. They have some pieces.

[SoxSport]

Lee had a rough first half, only 1-2 wins, but he pitched a lot better than that. ERA in the 3s. Hasn't got run support when he's pitched well. He should rebound strongly the 2nd half with Utley and Howard back.

Utley looked good today--HR and running very well. Hamels threw 128 pitches into the 8th inning--giving up the tying homer. Manual will get some heat for that. Can't imagine a Red Sox pitcher throwing 120 pitches, much less 128.

[italstallianion]

Looks like we might be back to being sellers at the deadline. lml