5/25 vs Rays

[FredLynn]

The over use of the cutter. It has caused a general reduction in velocity. This has been repeatedly commented on by scouts' date=' Cafardo and Abraham and even Remy. Once they leave it high in the zone and out over the plate it is a meatball.[/quote']

 

That could be the fault of the pitching coach who has not forced his pitchers to throw it less often.

[redsoxbeatz]

If Lester doesn't turn his s*** around and fast, this team is more than done.

 

We'll be saying that till his last start of the season.

 

The team is done.

[FredLynn]

We'll be saying that till his last start of the season.

 

The team is done.

 

HAHAHAHAHA

So true.....:thumbsup:

[FredLynn]

Gonzalez is going to hit a 6 run HR here.

[User Name]

That could be the fault of the pitching coach who has not forced his pitchers to throw it less often.

 

Gavin Floyd, John Danks and Phil Hughes all have the same problem, and they've all sucked hard this year. I'm ashamed to say it, but Elkton may actually be on to something.

 

And ftr, even though i think the team can improve, they still make me want to drink heavily.

[Elktonnick]

That could be the fault of the pitching coach who has not forced his pitchers to throw it less often.

 

These arrogant entitled starters don't listen to pitching coaches

[VA Sox Fan]

Alright Adrian!

[Station 13]

I blame Lackey ugly mug.

[FredLynn]

These arrogant entitled starters don't listen to pitching coaches

 

Exactly. Thats why most of them must go before substantive change can occur. That will take years with the long extravagant contracts that were handed out. Not a good situation at all. Thats why we are 13th in the AL in ERA.

[jung]

That could be the fault of the pitching coach who has not forced his pitchers to throw it less often.

 

Actually I hate to say it cause it is going to sound like I am piling on but I actually think is indicative of a much larger problem. Pitchers throw what they have confidence in. If they don't believe in a pitch they are not throwing it. The fact that the Sox starters in the main depend on the cutter so much is indicative of lack of confidence in other pitches and mainly in the regular FB. That is very disconcerting.

 

If you are a starting pitcher and you feel like you cannot throw your regular fastball anytime you want to, you are in a lotta' trouble. Even Beckett, who knows when and how to throw the cutter better than anybody the Sox have, mixes in enough regular FB's in good locations to make his cutter work and even then, even Beckett is meat with the cutter if he throws it above the knees.

 

As for guys like Lester and Buch, I just don't think they have enough confidence in the FB to throw enough of them to cut down on the number of cutters they are throwing.

[lesterkett]

f*** marlon byrd

[FredLynn]

Pretty sad how this popgun offense is beating up on our pitching staff. Hard to win games when you surrender 7 runs. The Rays offense is just average, at best.

[VA Sox Fan]

Way to hustle Atchison

[Station 13]

Actually I hate to say it cause it is going to sound like I am piling on but I actually think is indicative of a much larger problem. Pitchers throw what they have confidence in. If they don't believe in a pitch they are not throwing it. The fact that the Sox starters in the main depend on the cutter so much is indicative of lack of confidence in other pitches and mainly in the regular FB. That is very disconcerting.

 

If you are a starting pitcher and you feel like you cannot throw your regular fastball anytime you want to, you are in a lotta' trouble. Even Beckett, who knows when and how to throw the cutter better than anybody the Sox have, mixes in enough regular FB's in good locations to make his cutter work and even then, even Beckett is meat with the cutter if he throws it above the knees.

 

As for guys like Lester and Buch, I just don't think they have enough confidence in the FB to throw enough of them to cut down on the number of cutters they are throwing.

 

What is the fascination of that pitch anyway? Buchholz is a total headcase that I'm sure he throws it just to get along with the chicken/beer guys. <_>

[markj]

Pretty sad how this popgun offense is beating up on our pitching staff. Hard to win games when you surrender 7 runs. The Rays offense is just average' date=' at best.[/quote']

 

Watch the BP hold now. Rays won't score any more runs.

[jung]

Pretty sad how this popgun offense is beating up on our pitching staff. Hard to win games when you surrender 7 runs. The Rays offense is just average, at best.

 

Its embarrassing! 7-2 to these bums. By rights Lester should go find a hole and bury himself. Here we are at home, a chance to go over 500 with our supposed #1 pitcher on the mound and as usual he finds a way to lay the biggest possible egg.

[VA Sox Fan]

Atta boy Scotty. OFFENSE please...runs etc.........

[Elktonnick]

Watch the BP hold now. Rays won't score any more runs.

 

Like I said they don't have the starters mentality who feel entitled to certain calls and pout when they don't get them.

[markj]

Atchison is like Mo Rivera in some ways. He comes in, does his job, and keeps his mouth shut. Gotta hand it to the guy, he's a team player and he's got class.

[FredLynn]

Watch the BP hold now. Rays won't score any more runs.

 

I have to admit that the bullpen has surprised me. They have really come around and are pitching very well. Unfortunately, they don't usually get started until the fifth inning.

[Brennan]

How many years is it gonna be now? I guess we have to wait it out til alot of these talentless primadonnas contracts expire. Half of this team has had the fans by the balls since 2008.

[FredLynn]

Its embarrassing! 7-2 to these bums. By rights Lester should go find a hole and bury himself. Here we are at home' date=' a chance to go over 500 with our supposed #1 pitcher on the mound and as usual he finds a way to lay the biggest possible egg.[/quote']

 

You could see the egg exiting his cloaca when the calls by the home plate umpire started going against him. He lost his focus, if it was ever there. You could just feel disaster coming. Lester is just not a very good pitcher at all. Totally undependable.

[VA Sox Fan]

Nice AB for Salty

[Elktonnick]

You could see the egg exiting his cloaca when the calls by the home plate umpire started going against him. He lost his focus' date=' if it was ever there. You could just feel disaster coming. Lester is just not a very good pitcher at all. Totally undependable.[/quote']

 

Rather then pitch to the strike zone that the umpire gives them, they pitch to the strike zone they think they should have. That's these starters problem.

[Brennan]

For the few asshats that feel that they are above the crowd and pretend that this team isn't f***ed, where has the SP and or BP ranked in the last four years? We might talk s*** about a team playing underwhelmingly but it makes a lot more sense than pretending they are good and attacking the fans that don't drink the kool-aid.

[VA Sox Fan]

Okay. 2 on no outs.

 

Maddon going to his next pitcher. He will use 9 before it's all over.

[Brennan]

Rather then pitch to the strike zone that the umpire gives them' date=' they pitch to the strike zone they think they should have. That's these starters problem.[/quote']

 

 

 

Bingo! They refuse to adapt. That is for losers like Sabbathia and the rest.

[User Name]

The offense can make it a game here.

[FredLynn]

Rather then pitch to the strike zone that the umpire gives them' date=' they pitch to the strike zone they think they should have. That's these starters problem.[/quote']

 

Honestly Elk, I just don't think that our SP have the talent we are being told they have. I think they are greatly overestimated in that regard. Yes, they are also entitled prima donnas, but even if they were team players, they simply aren't good enough to anchor a championship team, or even a playoff team. Even Doubront argues too many balls and strikes calls through his body language out there. I hope Beckett and Lester don't corrupt him before they are traded or otherwise jettisoned.

[VA Sox Fan]

The offense can make it a game here.

 

Gotta step it up. Nice Byrd.