Ellsbury's injury

[FredLynn]

@Pumpsie Green -

 

Ellsbury has a Subluxation. He tweeted it earlier today, and it was confirmed by a Red Sox report, so it's a subluxation, not a dislocation (although from what I understand, a subluxation is just a dislocation that pops back into place rather than staying out of place).

 

If there's not a lot of labrum and/or rotator cuff tears, then he could be back by around early to mid June.

 

The way I understand it SFF is that a 100% subluxation= a dislocation. Also, frequently a dislocation pops back into place on its own. If the head of the humerus only partly left the socket then popped back in it would certainly be very painful, but is classified as a subluxation and again, is far less serious. Ellsbury did indeed have an MRI done and they are saying that there is no evidence of cartilage/ligament damage. Hopefully the MRI was done with contrast because thats really the best way to visualize those kinds of soft tissue injuries (ie cartilage/ligament damage). I have to admit that I don't really trust our medical staff very much. I heard the head of the staff was fired but most of the rest of the staff is the same..could be wrong.

The problem with the shoulder joint is this: think of a basketball (the head of the humerus- upper arm bone near the shoulder) trying to stay in a socket that looks like a tea saucer. The socket is too small and not deep enough. That is why shoulders are inherently unstable when compared to other ball and socket joints in the body like the hip.

Too much detail?

[a700hitter]

I'm not a doctor, but I have separated my own shoulder and seen separations on others. If it was out of the socket when he left the field, he would have been in much more pain and you would have seen the deformity right through his jersey. He said that he felt something move. When the shoulder pops out, you know exactly what happened and you can explain it better than "something moved". Based on that alone, I don't think he fully dislocated it. Of course, he is a pampered princess, so he'll miss 8 weeks.

 

Yaz might have missed the weekend. I hate today's overpaid pampered players. I lump them altogether, not singling out Ellsbury.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I know this sounds crazy, but I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Jason Bay if the Mets eat some of the salary and the Sox don't have to give up too much.

 

That guy had a swing made 110% for Fenway Park. He thrived here, and would be a great bat in the bottom of the order (7th?)

[BornToRun]

I know this sounds crazy, but I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Jason Bay if the Mets eat some of the salary and the Sox don't have to give up too much.

 

That guy had a swing made 110% for Fenway Park. He thrived here, and would be a great bat in the bottom of the order (7th?)

 

Dude, I've had that idea cross my mind more than once. I did it in the show and he's one of my best hitters. I've always retained a soft spot for Jason.

[SoxFanForsyth]

BTR - Don't forget tomorrows game is at 11:05 for Patriots Day.

 

As for Bay, that guy wore out the Monster. If we had him, Crawford, and Sweeney/Ross, I would throw Crawford in CF so that he could use his legs, and I think that would be a strong OF.

 

Then you have Ellsbury coming back off the DL and you've got some guys who can take the pressure off of him if it takes him a week or two to regain his swing (which, by the way, really sucks he went down because he was starting to finally hit the ball).

[Station 13]

Jason is done. He's totally screwed up since leaving the Sox. He was always a power hitter prior to coming to Boston, he just lost it after.

[redsoxrules]

Jason Bay is brutal , no thanks .

He's past his prime as well

[RedSoxNC84]

Dude' date=' I've had that idea cross my mind more than once. I did it in the show and he's one of my best hitters. I've always retained a soft spot for Jason.[/quote']

 

Even if he's past his prime and wouldn't put up the same numbers as before, I still think he could do well in Fenway, much better than with the Mets I'm sure.

[a700hitter]

I think Bay could still hit at Fenway. I watch a lot of the Mets. He's swinging the bat well, but not getting results right now. He is still running well, and he is in top shape.

[Station 13]

JD Drew is still out there right?

[jung]

While waiting for some of their injured players to come back it would be nice if they had at least one more outfielder besides Mac that was not at risk of injury trying to catch fly balls.

 

Repko was close to dropping every ball that came his way today. Ross could not remain upright attempting to catch fly balls and Sweeney is often close to causing himself serious injury out there in right. I fully expect him to bounce off the foul pole any day now. I can see not being able to carry a late innings defensive outfielder when you are not able to carry more than three replacements including a backup catcher. They have got to trim back on the pitchers as there is no logical way to use that many pitchers anyway.

[Spudboy]

I think Bay could still hit at Fenway. I watch a lot of the Mets. He's swinging the bat well' date=' but not getting results right now. He is still running well, and he is in top shape.[/quote']

 

Interesting input.

 

But why make this move now? And at what cost?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Pass on Jason Bay.

[mvp 78]

Bay is only a DH at this point in his career. No thanks.

[ORS]

I know this sounds crazy, but I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Jason Bay if the Mets eat some of the salary and the Sox don't have to give up too much.

 

That guy had a swing made 110% for Fenway Park. He thrived here, and would be a great bat in the bottom of the order (7th?)

The Mets still aren't in a happy place financially, how much do you think they'd be willing to pay? He's due $16M this year and next, plus there's a $17M option with a $3M buyout for 2014. Bay might, or might not depending on how legit his statistical decline is, be useful to the Sox with Ellsbury out, but when they are all healthy, he's a kind of an expensive luxury.

[a700hitter]

Interesting input.

 

But why make this move now? And at what cost?

If Ells was going to be out for the entire seasin, getting Bay would be a decent option. The Mets would have to eat a lot of salary. However, if Ells is coming back, he really doesn't have a place to play. Crawford will be in LF, and Bay would not bee very good in RF.

[a700hitter]

The Mets still aren't in a happy place financially' date=' how much do you think they'd be willing to pay? He's due $16M this year and next, plus there's a $17M option with a $3M buyout for 2014. Bay might, or might not depending on how legit his statistical decline is, be useful to the Sox with Ellsbury out, but when they are all healthy, he's a kind of an expensive luxury.[/quote']

The Mets continue to hemorrhage red ink. Opening Day was a sellout, but an embarrassment nonetheless. When the anthem was sung about 15 min before game time, the place was only half full. They did a huge walk up gate that day, because they announced that anyone who bought a ticket for opening day would get a free ticket to 1 (or 2 not sure) other games. They would probably love to dump some of Bay's salary, but I think teams need to see some evidence that he can still hit. His 1 HR was a total bomb. He crushed it. He seems to be making good contact, but not getting results right now. But where would he play when Ells comes back? I don't see he coming back to the Sox.

[SoxSport]

I don't know why the Mets weren't sold. The fellow that owns them was tight with Bernie Madoff, and one of the few who made any money with him. He just made a money deal in court that allows him to keep the Mets. But he's not in a position to spend money like a NY team usually does.

[JohnGreen2004]

I agree Shoppach looked comfortable out there. I think his clubhouse presence could be a big plus for the Red Sox as well. He seem's to be a laid back guy that likes to have fun, evidenced by the joke that his slide turned into the other day.

[JohnGreen2004]

The Mets continue to hemorrhage red ink. Opening Day was a sellout' date=' but an embarrassment nonetheless. When the anthem was sung about 15 min before game time, the place was only half full. They did a huge walk up gate that day, because they announced that anyone who bought a ticket for opening day would get a free ticket to 1 (or 2 not sure) other games. They would probably love to dump some of Bay's salary, but I think teams need to see some evidence that he can still hit. His 1 HR was a total bomb. He crushed it. He seems to be making good contact, but not getting results right now. But where would he play when Ells comes back? I don't see he coming back to the Sox.[/quote']

 

 

Jason Bay isn't the answer for the Red Sox. Plain and simple, he solves nothing in the way of offense so his defense would have to be stellar--which it's not.

[SoxSport]

The Mets continue to hemorrhage red ink. Opening Day was a sellout' date=' but an embarrassment nonetheless. When the anthem was sung about 15 min before game time, the place was only half full. They did a huge walk up gate that day, because they announced that anyone who bought a ticket for opening day would get a free ticket to 1 (or 2 not sure) other games. They would probably love to dump some of Bay's salary, but I think teams need to see some evidence that he can still hit. His 1 HR was a total bomb. He crushed it. He seems to be making good contact, but not getting results right now. But where would he play when Ells comes back? I don't see he coming back to the Sox.[/quote']

 

The Madoff connect their owner has doesn't help them in NY. Madoff is not popular there. He swindled a lot of money out of people. Plus they have made a lot of bad FA moves, and aren't very good.

 

Bay had a concussion a while back, and may just be getting over it.

You look at Bay and Crawford, and you wonder what happens to some guys when they get the big contract.

[redsoxbeatz]

^^ Crawford needs more time to prove himself.

[BornToRun]

^^ Crawford needs more time to prove himself.

 

Definately. He had a hamstring injury and was playing with a f***ed up wrist all year. Give the guy a break.

[NativeBostonian]

Jason Bay isn't the answer for the Red Sox. Plain and simple' date=' he solves nothing in the way of offense so his defense would have to be stellar--which it's not.[/quote']

 

I wouldn't be apposed to bring him back for the right price. Did you see what he did with the Red Sox? He had monster number. Don't say he hasn't been producing the HR power in Queens, because that park is huge. I said it before he left for New York, that he wasn't going to do what he did at Fenway Park. That's because the Mets made a stupid choose (no surprise) and build a monster park that no one can hit balls out of.

[Station 13]

I wouldn't be apposed to bring him back for the right price. Did you see what he did with the Red Sox? He had monster number. Don't say he hasn't been producing the HR power in Queens' date=' because that park is huge. I said it before he left for New York, that he wasn't going to do what he did at Fenway Park. That's because the Mets made a stupid choose (no surprise) and build a monster park that no one can hit balls out of.[/quote']

 

His bat has slowed down. it isn't his home park. he plays 81 road games you know.

[NativeBostonian]

His bat has slowed down. it isn't his home park. he plays 81 road games you know.

 

That's true that he plays that many road games. But, if you bring him back here, the majority of his road games are going to be in the AL East. Rays, Yankees, O's, don't have big parks. He may not do exactly what he did when he was originally here. But, his power numbers should go up.

[jung]

There are a number of reasons that you can point at for Crawford's performance in his first year in Boston but I don't think the wrist is one of them. This is the same wrist that had been giving him trouble in Tampa when he put up his Tampa numbers and the same wrist that he was using I guess cortisone injections for there and here.

 

Apparently when the pain/discomfort returned this January/February, it did not respond to treatment and was "unmanageable" for the first time in his career.

 

I do wish they had addressed it before he went away for the off season but it is hard to point to the wrist as the reason he was off last year.

[NZSox]

Sweeney HAS to be the lead off guy in Ells' absence.

[iortiz]

Sweeney HAS to be the lead off guy in Ells' absence.

 

This!

 

Is this so hard to see V? Really?

[redsoxbeatz]

Crawford played in his first game today. I read somewhere he should only need 12~16 games before he could come back to MLB. So, end of the month? I hope he's a the best diet of his f***in' life to recover quicker.

 

I think he is really going to rebound well from last season. He's got too much talent to peter out suddenly.