Ellsbury's injury

[a700hitter]

Which of the pitchers who are part of the solution now' date=' would have been able to start last year? Doubront was too green, and Bard was in the pen and crumbling along with eveyone else.[/quote']Aceves was throwing almost every day and he was pretty stretched out. Even Ortiz said they should have given him a chance. Whyy was Doubront too green 6 months before the 2012 season, but experienced enough to break camp as the #4 starter 6 months later?

[Bellhorn04]

I thought the deal with Doubront last year was that he showed up in spring out of shape, missed some time and just didn't pitch that well.

[a700hitter]

I thought the deal with Doubront last year was that he showed up in spring out of shape' date=' missed some time and just didn't pitch that well.[/quote']He was probably in shape by September. He was on the MLB roster in September. Could he have been worse than Lackey or Wakefield last September? If so, what transpired between October and March that transformed him into a starter who people expect to be much better than Lackey or Wakefield.

[Dojji]

Aceves was throwing almost every day and he was pretty stretched out. Even Ortiz said they should have given him a chance.

 

Aceves was our one reliable relief pitcher and should have been setting up that month over Bard. Taking him out of the pen could have cost us more than one game we did win that month. Besides, Aceves has had chances to hack it as a starter and always lost out to actual starters.

 

Whyy was Doubront too green 6 months before the 2012 season, but experienced enough to break camp as the #4 starter 6 months later?

 

If you have to ask, you haven't been paying attention. Doubront had a number of chances to make himself an option over the course of the season and finished the year with a 6+ ERA. He was unlikely to have been that much better than the guys we did throw out there.

 

There's two conditions for a young starting pitcher. Ready and Not Ready. All the evidence at the time suggested Doubs was Not Ready.

[a700hitter]

Aceves was our one reliable relief pitcher and should have been setting up that month over Bard. Taking him out of the pen could have cost us more than one game we did win that month. Besides' date=' Aceves has had chances to hack it as a starter and always lost out to actual starters.[/quote']I disagree with this. Each time Wakefield and Lackey took the mound it was tantamount to a forfeit. I still remember the feeling of hopelessness in those games. Aceves would have been abig improvement.

 

If you have to ask, you haven't been paying attention. Doubront had a number of chances to make himself an option over the course of the season and finished the year with a 6+ ERA. He was unlikely to have been that much better than the guys we did throw out there.

 

There's two conditions for a young starting pitcher. Ready and Not Ready. All the evidence at the time suggested Doubs was Not Ready.

And 3 months later Doubs pushed a button and he was ready? I'm not buying that. He could not have done worse than Wakefield or Lackey. He was worth a try, but as SoxSport said, the Sox have a pecking order. They deferred to the experience of Wakefield and Lackey rather than rock the boat. It was a mistake, and an obvious one.

[Bellhorn04]

And 3 months later Doubs pushed a button and he was ready? I'm not buying that. He could not have done worse than Wakefield or Lackey. He was worth a try' date=' but as SoxSport said, the Sox have a pecking order. They deferred to the experience of Wakefield and Lackey rather than rock the boat. It was a mistake, and an obvious one.[/quote']

 

Doubront had a 4.22 ERA in Pawtucket, so it's hard to say if he could have done worse or not. I can't find any info on what Doubront's status was in September, whether he was pitching and what his results were. Do you know?

[a700hitter]

Doubront had a 4.22 ERA in Pawtucket' date=' so it's hard to say if he could have done worse or not. I can't find any info on what Doubront's status was in September, whether he was pitching and what his results were. Do you know?[/quote']He was up with the team for the entire month of September. He had one bad outing against the Texas Rangers giving up 3 runs in 1/3 of an inning. Again, he was worth the try. If not, I have to ask what transformation ocurred in 3 months of the off season to put him in competition for a rotation spot? The answer is that he didn't undergo any transformation in the off season. Theo and Terry didn't want to upset a couple of veterans who just didn't have it anymore-- Wakefield and Lackey so they kept running them out there to give away games.

[Bellhorn04]

He was up with the team for the entire month of September. He had one bad outing against the Texas Rangers giving up 3 runs in 1/3 of an inning. Again' date=' he was worth the try. If not, I have to ask what transformation ocurred in 3 months of the off season to put him in competition for a rotation spot? The answer is that he didn't undergo any transformation in the off season. Theo and Terry didn't want to upset a couple of veterans who just didn't have it anymore-- Wakefield and Lackey so they kept running them out there to give away games.[/quote']

 

I could be wrong but I think if they believed Doubront could do the job they would have given him a shot. The same people brought Lester up late in '07 and he pitched in some important games.

[a700hitter]

I could be wrong but I think if they believed Doubront could do the job they would have given him a shot. The same people brought Lester up late in '07 and he pitched in some important games.

But they didn't bench a veteran to let Lester pitch in 2007. That's the issue whether the Sox have a pecking order based on experience and salary. It seem so with the WMB- Youks situation. SoxSport raised that it was also their approach in running out Lackey and Wake at the end of 2011 despite knowing that they stunk. I think they deferred to the experience. They did not think out of the box. Maybe they didn't think Doubs could do the job, but that was part of the problem. He didn't go from completely incapable of filling in for 2 bums to being a good rotation option in 3 months.

[redsoxfan3]

Jenks? You're kidding right. I figured his next appearance in the ballpahk would be to play Santa Claus for 'Christmas at Fenway'.

 

I don't want the loser back, but he is looking at a possible return this year. I do not know if they are going to give him a shot, but I am assuming that he will because he is making $6 million this year. I wonder what kind of impact the DUI will have on him and this team. It is possible that he doesn't even get a chance, but he is looking to be healthy at some point this season.