Now that the J.D. Drew era is over...

[Dojji]

I liked Trot and Drew both' date=' when they were on the field.[/quote']

 

Therein lies the problem.

 

On the other hand though, take their careers as a whole, and Trot was the one who actually missed more man games per season.

 

Trot played more than 130 games 3 times in his career (his three signature seasons, 01-03)

 

Drew? Seven years of 130+ games played, three of them for the Red Sox. (07, 09, 10)

 

We actually GAINED durability in right field by exchanging Trot for Drew, even if you ignore the fact that Trot fell off the map after he left and weigh what he did here vs what Drew did.

 

Crazy, huh?

[Bellhorn04]

I think one of the best comparisons for Drew's contract is Damon's contract with the Yankees. Damon got one year less and $1 million less. If you compare the first four years of Drew's deal with Damon's four years in NY, value-wise they come out pretty close. Damon was more durable and stole more bases. Drew had a higher OPS and was a better fielder. If Drew had gotten 4 years $52 million that would have been about right. The fifth year was a killer.

[mvp 78]

But Trot lead the league in the all important "gets jersey dirty" category 4 years straight!

[SoxSport]

I think one of the best comparisons for Drew's contract is Damon's contract with the Yankees. Damon got one year less and $1 million less. If you compare the first four years of Drew's deal with Damon's four years in NY' date=' value-wise they come out pretty close. Damon was more durable and stole more bases. Drew had a higher OPS and was a better fielder. If Drew had gotten 4 years $52 million that would have been about right. The fifth year was a killer.[/quote']

 

 

The big difference is defensively--Drew was a much better outfielder than Damon. Plus Drew didn't have the distorted dimensions of Yankee Stadium to his favor. Johnny was a much better fit in NY than Boston, because he was at the end playing CF, and the Red Sox weren't going to pay him to be a corner outfielder. Plus he had that RF porch as a hitter. A pity the Red Sox didn't consider trading him to NY the previous year. They might have gotten something for him besides a draft pick.

[Muggah]

I think one of the best comparisons for Drew's contract is Damon's contract with the Yankees. Damon got one year less and $1 million less. If you compare the first four years of Drew's deal with Damon's four years in NY' date=' value-wise they come out pretty close. Damon was more durable and stole more bases. Drew had a higher OPS and was a better fielder. If Drew had gotten 4 years $52 million that would have been about right. The fifth year was a killer.[/quote']

 

I'd take Damon every day of the week. Twice on Sundays.

[Bellhorn04]

The big difference is defensively--Drew was a much better outfielder than Damon. Plus Drew didn't have the distorted dimensions of Yankee Stadium to his favor. Johnny was a much better fit in NY than Boston' date=' because he was at the end playing CF, and the Red Sox weren't going to pay him to be a corner outfielder. Plus he had that RF porch as a hitter. [b']A pity the Red Sox didn't consider trading him to NY the previous year. They might have gotten something for him besides a draft pick.[/b]

 

We don't trade with NY. :thumbdown

 

They got two picks for Damon. Used to take Daniel Bard and Kris Johnson.

[Muggah]

I liked Trot and Drew both' date=' when they were on the field.[/quote']

 

We'd have been a lot better off if we'd never heard of either one.

[Bellhorn04]

We'd have been a lot better off if we'd never heard of either one.

 

You didn't like Trot either?

[VA Sox Fan]

We'd have been a lot better off if we'd never heard of either one.

 

How is that? Do you like any of our current or past players?

[Muggah]

You didn't like Trot either?

 

Not even a little. Couldn't stand him.

[Muggah]

How is that? Do you like any of our current or past players?

 

Of course. A lot of them. But some I don't, and some I haven't in the past. It all depends on the player. As it should with anyone.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

We'd have been a lot better off if we'd never heard of either one.

 

A lot better off? I was never a big fan of either, but my god is this comment ridiculous

[jung]

Well we have always had questions about Drew's heart and his willingness to play if there was even a hangnail out of place. If I put that aside for a moment and say that I really can't jump into the guy's skin and know how much pain he is really in, if Drew had stayed on the field more, I suspect he would have been held here in at least the same esteem as Evans as a right fielder. He might not have ever ended up as beloved as Evans. I always had the feeling that Drew had to look down every once and awhile and remind himself of who's uniform he was wearing. Sort of hard to end up beloved as a Red Sox player that way.

[Emmz]

We'd have been a lot better off if we'd never heard of either one.

 

Mein gott.

[a700hitter]

We'd have been a lot better off if we'd never heard of either one.

We would have been better off if we had picked up Abreu in 2006 instead of the Yankees. He went to the post everyday and produced, not to mention that he pummeled our pitchers at Fenway. Our guys just could not get him out in key situations. He always seemed to be able to smack the ball of the Monster.

[Muggah]

We would have been better off if we had picked up Abreu in 2006 instead of the Yankees. He went to the post everyday and produced' date=' not to mention that he pummeled our pitchers at Fenway. Our guys just could not get him out in key situations. He always seemed to be able to smack the ball of the Monster.[/quote']

 

Another bingo!!

[a700hitter]

Another bingo!!

If you remember, after Theo blew the negotiations with the Phillies for Abreu and the Yankees swooped in and ate his lunch, we were treated to planted stories about how much Abreu would have cost with the Luxury Tax etc. They put all the excuses out there and the people drank the Kool Aid. Then Abreu helped destroy the Sox in the 5 game series at Fenway to kick off August, knocking us from 1st place. Jason "the Ultimate Loser" Johnson started the first game of the double header at the start of that series. It was sickening. The lies about losing out on Abreu were obvious to me from the start. They should have been obvious to everyone else when the FO ponied up $70 million that winter for Drew.

[Muggah]

If you remember' date=' after Theo blew the negotiations with the Phillies for Abreu and the Yankees swooped in and ate his lunch, we were treated to planted stories about how much Abreu would have cost with the Luxury Tax etc. They put all the excuses out there and the people drank the Kool Aid. Then Abreu helped destroy the Sox in the 5 game series at Fenway to kick off August, knocking us from 1st place. Jason "the Ultimate Loser" Johnson started the first game of the double header at the start of that series. It was sickening. The lies about losing out on Abreu were obvious to me from the start. They should have been obvious to everyone else when the FO ponied up $70 million that winter for Drew.[/quote']

 

I remember that. I think the Yankees scored in double digits the first three games of the series, kicking the s*** out of both Beckett and Lester in the process.

 

And I also remember Blunder's pathetic excuses for botching the Abreu talks.--which was par for the course with Blunder.

[User Name]

We would have been better off if we had picked up Abreu in 2006 instead of the Yankees. He went to the post everyday and produced' date=' not to mention that he pummeled our pitchers at Fenway. Our guys just could not get him out in key situations. He always seemed to be able to smack the ball of the Monster.[/quote']

 

....just as Abreu's power numbers continued to fade into obscurity, it's perfectly logical to think he would have provided the same production at Fenway (lefty hell) than YS (lefty heaven). Well-thought out sir. Not to mention the declining defense.

 

Of course, Muggah "EVERYTHING IS WRONG AND SUCKS" jumps in for back-up. What a surprise!

[seabeachfred]

....just as Abreu's power numbers continued to fade into obscurity, it's perfectly logical to think he would have provided the same production at Fenway (lefty hell) than YS (lefty heaven). Well-thought out sir. Not to mention the declining defense.

 

Of course, Muggah "EVERYTHING IS WRONG AND SUCKS" jumps in for back-up. What a surprise!

 

Strange as it may seem to my pals on this board, I was NOT in favor of the Abreu trade and glad it didn't take place. As a matter of fact I called the RedSox front office and spoke to one of Theo's assistants (can't remember who) and said I didn't want to make this trade because names like Ellsbury, Pedroia, Lester and Papelbon were being mentioned and even back then I had predicted that in a couple of years Pedey and Ells would be stars for our team (one of my proudest moments to be honest with you). I wasn't sure yet about Lester but that possible trade just didn't sit with me too well.

Nixon

Next year Pedroia hit 317 and was AL Rookie of the Year, Lester recovered from his cancer fight a winner and pitched some key games for us late in the year, and Ells came up in the summer and tore the living s*** out of the ball. That year was 2007.....need I say more.

 

Now I know that 700 is perturbed the way Abreu came in and thrashed us in that humiliating five game series, but a couple of things need to be remembered here. One, Varitek and Nixon has sustained serious injuries and they were out for most of the season, Jason the rest of it. In addition, FrancoMa, in one of his usual mishandling of the rotation, decided to pitch Boomer Wells in a series finale against a lesser club and hold him off for the Yankee series until game 5. He could have been saved for that first game and we most likely would have won it since we did score five runs I believe. Wells gave up only two the last game of the series while we, completely demoralized, got only one. Why FrancoMa opened with Jason Johnson still astounds me. I couldn't believe FrancoMa was that stupid. I know better now.

[SoxSport]

Another one of Epstein's blunders, Cameron, just retired. What did they give him, $16 mil over two years?

I remember he arrived in ST camp hurt with an abdominal strain and never really got going in two seasons before they finally unloaded him. The curse of the guaranteed contract.

[a700hitter]

Strange as it may seem to my pals on this board, I was NOT in favor of the Abreu trade and glad it didn't take place. As a matter of fact I called the RedSox front office and spoke to one of Theo's assistants (can't remember who) and said I didn't want to make this trade because names like Ellsbury, Pedroia, Lester and Papelbon were being mentioned and even back then I had predicted that in a couple of years Pedey and Ells would be stars for our team (one of my proudest moments to be honest with you). I wasn't sure yet about Lester but that possible trade just didn't sit with me too well.

Nixon

Next year Pedroia hit 317 and was AL Rookie of the Year, Lester recovered from his cancer fight a winner and pitched some key games for us late in the year, and Ells came up in the summer and tore the living s*** out of the ball. That year was 2007.....need I say more.

 

Now I know that 700 is perturbed the way Abreu came in and thrashed us in that humiliating five game series, but a couple of things need to be remembered here. One, Varitek and Nixon has sustained serious injuries and they were out for most of the season, Jason the rest of it. In addition, FrancoMa, in one of his usual mishandling of the rotation, decided to pitch Boomer Wells in a series finale against a lesser club and hold him off for the Yankee series until game 5. He could have been saved for that first game and we most likely would have won it since we did score five runs I believe. Wells gave up only two the last game of the series while we, completely demoralized, got only one. Why FrancoMa opened with Jason Johnson still astounds me. I couldn't believe FrancoMa was that stupid. I know better now.

The Abreu deal was a pure salary dump. The Yankees gave up no prospects of any note. They got Abreu, because they agreed to take his full salary. The Sox were quibbling over getting the Phils to eat some salary.

[User Name]

Let's act like we know how we went down while we don't know anything about the negotiations why don't we!

[Muggah]

Another one of Epstein's blunders, Cameron, just retired. What did they give him, $16 mil over two years?

I remember he arrived in ST camp hurt with an abdominal strain and never really got going in two seasons before they finally unloaded him. The curse of the guaranteed contract.

 

They brought him, if you remember, to "save Jacoby's legs" according to our dearly departed dope of a GM. It will go down as one of the dumbest comments ever made by a baseball executive---and that's saying something.

[SoxSport]

They brought him' date=' if you remember, to "save Jacoby's legs" according to our dearly departed dope of a GM. It will go down as one of the dumbest comments ever made by a baseball executive---and that's saying something.[/quote']

 

 

Epstein compounded the error by moving Ellsbury to LF--instead of ageing Cameron. Ells, unfamiliar with LF, promptly collided with Beltre on a popup, and missed the season. Ells' comeback year last year in CF just put more egg on Theo's face.

 

But Theo had enough ego to overcome that: he promptly pushed Youkilis off 1st base and traded for AdGon, after letting Beltre and VMart go. Youks had trouble physically getting through last season playing 3B, at his age. I have my doubts he can do it this year.

 

There are some good reasons why Theo is now employed elsewhere.

[Muggah]

Epstein compounded the error by moving Ellsbury to LF--instead of ageing Cameron. Ells, unfamiliar with LF, promptly collided with Beltre on a popup, and missed the season. Ells' comeback year last year in CF just put more egg on Theo's face.

 

But Theo had enough ego to overcome that: he promptly pushed Youkilis off 1st base and traded for AdGon, after letting Beltre and VMart go. Youks had trouble physically getting through last season playing 3B, at his age. I have my doubts he can do it this year.

 

There are some good reasons why Theo is now employed elsewhere.

 

There are four major reasons why Blunder was jettisoned unceremoniously--2008, 09, 10, and 11. Blunder bitched, moaned and stomped his feet until Big Daddy gave him the keys to the car 'solo,' and just like a lot of us (and Larry) predicted, he immediately embarked on a clueless path of destruction which ultimately ended up driving this franchise off a cliff. He is arguably the most incompetent exec. operating in the game today. The poor Cubbies will find out very soon just how bad he is.

[a700hitter]

There are four major reasons why Blunder was jettisoned unceremoniously--2008' date=' 09, 10, and 11. Blunder bitched, moaned and stomped his feet until Big Daddy gave him the keys to the car 'solo,' and just like a lot of us (and Larry) predicted, he immediately embarked on a clueless path of destruction which ultimately ended up driving this franchise off a cliff. He is arguably the most incompetent exec. operating in the game today. The poor Cubbies will find out very soon just how bad he is.[/quote']The team has been declining since 2007. When did Theo get his autonomy?

[Muggah]

The team has been declining since 2007. When did Theo get his autonomy?

 

Many of our friends here aren't going to want to answer that question. You'll get plenty of crickets on that one.

[a700hitter]

Many of our friends here aren't going to want to answer that question. You'll get plenty of crickets on that one.

Case closed. Right?

[User Name]

People are just avoiding the Glenn Beck line of arguing here.