What Do You Want for Christmas for the Red Sox

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'd like to add Roy Oswalt to my Christmas list.

 

And I think that one really will come true.

[FredLynn]

I'd like to add Roy Oswalt to my Christmas list.

 

And I think that one really will come true.

 

How much do you think Santa wants for Roy Oswalt?

We have about $5M to spend this year.

[FredLynn]

My Christmas wish would be for an Edwin Jackson signing.

I'd settle for Joe Saunders, but I would prefer Edwin Jackson.

 

If Santa is generous I would ask for Andrew Miller to figure out how to throw strikes, Dice-K to recover a little quicker than half the season, Bobby Valentine to shut his mouth, and Josh Beckett to start working with Daniel Bard to teach him a curve ball.

 

Saunders is a piece of s*** as a pitcher. He is in the same category of Tim Wakefield. No way in hell I want him in a Sox uniform.

[SoxFanForsyth]

How much do you think Santa wants for Roy Oswalt?

We have about $5M to spend this year.

 

Except for the fact that when Ortiz's deal gets bumped to a 2/24mm deal, we save around $3mm in LT. Plus Lucchino already said (just like last offseason, might I add), that the Sox will go over the LT threshold if need be.

 

So we have as much money as we need to spend. So probably 1 year/10-12mm.

[Palodios]

Oswalt is only looking for a 1 year deal. I would not be surprised if it took 1/15 to get him, but I think that's a bargain considering some of the long term deals out there. I do not think LL will hesitate to spend extra money, if it is a one year thing to fix this mess while some of the younger arms move up.

[ForeverYoung]

Oswalt is only looking for a 1 year deal. I would not be surprised if it took 1/15 to get him' date=' but I think that's a bargain considering some of the long term deals out there. I do not think LL will hesitate to spend extra money, if it is a one year thing to fix this mess while some of the younger arms move up.[/quote']

 

I don't think so, this year is a bargain year to try and get us under the $178 million mark. Than when we dump Dice-K, we are able to make a good push at 2013 Free Agent class SP.

 

I think a trade to dump some money would be required for Oswalt. I think 2/14 for Edwin Jackson is more realistic and would keep us under the $178 million, I believe.

 

Nonetheless, please Santa bring me a #4 Starting Pitcher so Bard can stick to the Bullpen where his limited pitches will not hurt him.

[FredLynn]

I don't think so, this year is a bargain year to try and get us under the $178 million mark. Than when we dump Dice-K, we are able to make a good push at 2013 Free Agent class SP.

 

I think a trade to dump some money would be required for Oswalt. I think 2/14 for Edwin Jackson is more realistic and would keep us under the $178 million, I believe.

 

Nonetheless, please Santa bring me a #4 Starting Pitcher so Bard can stick to the Bullpen where his limited pitches will not hurt him.

 

I agree. I would much rather stay under the threshold this year so we can exceed it next year and not get stuck with the 50% tax. I don't see us going anywhere this year anyway, and furthermore, next year's FA class is much better than this year's.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I agree. I would much rather stay under the threshold this year so we can exceed it next year and not get stuck with the 50% tax. I don't see us going anywhere this year anyway' date=' and furthermore, next year's FA class is much better than this year's.[/quote']

 

Please explain to me how this team is not 1 SP + a little cheap depth away from a championship caliber team?

[User Name]

I don't think so, this year is a bargain year to try and get us under the $178 million mark. Than when we dump Dice-K, we are able to make a good push at 2013 Free Agent class SP.

 

I think a trade to dump some money would be required for Oswalt. I think 2/14 for Edwin Jackson is more realistic and would keep us under the $178 million, I believe.

 

Nonetheless, please Santa bring me a #4 Starting Pitcher so Bard can stick to the Bullpen where his limited pitches will not hurt him.

 

2/14 for Edwin Jackson is the definition of a pipe dream.

[SoxSport]

I think Oswalt is in decline, and I would steer away from him. You'd be paying for past accomplishments.

 

I would look to the younger pitchers. The question is whether they get another starter or a closer. They can go either way. Gio G has upside, but he's coming out of a pitchers park, and his WHIP is so-so, 1.3x.

Plus they don't seem to be willing to give up Middlebrook. Bard can probably be a good #4 starter, so they can get a closer if he starts. Maybe a Cordero. Bailey has arm issues, so you don't want to give up too much for him.

 

It's a tough call, and even tougher with Ortiz holding them hostage on how much they can spend without exceeding the cap. They fumbled the ball there.

[seabeachfred]

An AL East Divison Title in 2012. I would settle for that since we only have one in the last 16 years with our disgraced fired manager having cost us such titles in 2005, 2008 and 2009 with some of the very worst dugout managing I have ever seen. That to me would be an ideal Christmas present from the Red Sox.

[SoxSport]

Please explain to me how this team is not 1 SP + a little cheap depth away from a championship caliber team?

 

I think you're right. But the cheap depth always seems to be the hard part for the FO.

Plus a sprinkling of bad FA signings.

 

Melancon was a good start. I think Edwin Jackson on the cheap would be good, too.

Or Gio G. for the farm. And Andruw Jones. Jones is a nice platoon option for RF and DH if needed.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I would be shocked if Andruw Jones doesn't get suspended for PED's this season.

[SoxSport]

An AL East Divison Title in 2012. I would settle for that since we only have one in the last 16 years with our disgraced fired manager having cost us such titles in 2005' date=' 2008 and 2009 with some of the very worst dugout managing I have ever seen. That to me would be an ideal Christmas present from the Red Sox.[/quote']

 

They haven't been the same since '07. Something happened. They got complacent. Lazy.

It's hard to get a team up to winning a Championship every year. When the management gets lazy, you have a real problem.

[SoxSport]

Except for the fact that when Ortiz's deal gets bumped to a 2/24mm deal, we save around $3mm in LT. Plus Lucchino already said (just like last offseason, might I add), that the Sox will go over the LT threshold if need be.

 

So we have as much money as we need to spend. So probably 1 year/10-12mm.

 

 

Could be they are just biding their time to sort out the options--figuring what's the cheapest option. They must have known they would go over the cap when they offered Ortiz arbitration.

[ForeverYoung]

2/14 for Edwin Jackson is the definition of a pipe dream.

 

Why?

His last contract was 2/13.35 with Diamond Backs in beginning of 2010.

Granted the SP market is small, but no one has exactly been breaking his door down to sign him. Yes he has a No-hitter under his belt but it was a 8 walk No-Hitter.

[User Name]

Why?

His last contract was 2/13.35 with Diamond Backs in beginning of 2010.

Granted the SP market is small, but no one has exactly been breaking his door down to sign him. Yes he has a No-hitter under his belt but it was a 8 walk No-Hitter.

 

Because why would he take a minimal raise and the same amount of years as his last contract? With the market the way it is, all he has to do is wait it out. Someone will give him at least three years and ten million a year as soon as the options thin out a bit more. Let's be realistic here.

[mvp 78]

To get rid of the red jerseys and make the '75 home unis the alternate.

 

I would trade that for a playoff run. Seriously.

[ForeverYoung]

Because why would he take a minimal raise and the same amount of years as his last contract? With the market the way it is' date=' all he has to do is wait it out. Someone will give him at least three years and ten million a year as soon as the options thin out a bit more. Let's be realistic here.[/quote']

 

I'd be willing to bet that if he has the chance to pitch at Fenway, in a big market, with a team that had the best record going into September that he would jump. If 2/14 is too low than laden it with incentives, and the possibility of a ring might be enough to make him bite. Playing the slow game might work with the rest of the teams out there, but when Boston comes calling most people answer the call.

 

I am still not sold on the Gio or Bailey trade, I know lots of people have been calling for this, but Beane is just too damn smart to let them go without an entire farm system in exchange. I have faith in the arms we are producing out of Portland and one of them, like Clay before them, will step up and produce.

 

I am still holding out hope that the new pitching coach we bring in will be able to mold Andrew Miller into a good Starting Pitcher. The kid has the potential, the arm, the movement, its just the damn control and having faith in his fastball that he is lacking.

[User Name]

Jackson just won a WS title with the Cards. At this moment, it's probably all about money and long-term security. If Boston came calling with a 2/14 offer plus incentives he would hang up the phone on them. 3/30 at the least.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I agree with User. I wish the appeal of a big market, historic team in the toughest division in baseball would be enough incentive to take a pay cut, but that's not the case.

 

Players go to the Red Sox and Yankees to get paid, because they have two of the biggest payrolls in the game. The appeal is the checkbook. Everything else is just a bonus.

 

These guys have families to take care of, and that comes before winning

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Pal has the right idea. Forget all the moves, just wish for a WS title.

[VA Sox Fan]

To get rid of the red jerseys and make the '75 home unis the alternate.

 

I would trade that for a playoff run. Seriously.

 

Guess I'm the only one who likes the red jerseys from time to time :dunno:

[mvp 78]

Guess I'm the only one who likes the red jerseys from time to time :dunno:

 

Only if DLowe is pitching.

[Palodios]

Guess I'm the only one who likes the red jerseys from time to time :dunno:

 

I like the Red ones. The stupid ones are the really bland gray ones, and the even worse bland throwbacks.

[BSN07]

Guess I'm the only one who likes the red jerseys from time to time :dunno:

 

I like them! I don't understand the hate. They wear them occasionally. Just think, the could have uniforms like Miami :dunno:

[VA Sox Fan]

I like them! I don't understand the hate. They wear them occasionally. Just think' date=' the could have uniforms like Miami [/b']:dunno:

 

They are HORRIBLE IMO.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I like both the Red and Grey ones. I agree the Miami Marlins jersey are absolutely trash.

[SoxSport]

On the subject of no-hitters, the saber types say once a batter hits a ball, there is no predicting where it will go. That means unless a pitcher strikes out 27 guys, he's got to be damn lucky to pitch a no-hitter since every hitter has hit the ball at a fielder--unless he has struck out. Think about it. It's like rolling dice.

You got to be lucky to pitch a no hitter.

 

Remember that perfect game Larsen pitched in the World Series? And, was it Halladay, later on? That's the ultimate luck. No walks, in addition to no balls hit at fielders, is some accomplishment--considering the subjective aspect of calling strikes.

 

The laws of probability say these things will happen--but not very often.

[User Name]

What does that have to do with anything posted in this thread?

 

You're a strange one, Soxsport.