Valentine's Big Mouth

[a700hitter]

He did that in the interview I saw. The follow up was so you haven't spoken to him personally etc.

 

At some point you have got to stop covering up for these guys' bad behavior. That was Carfado's point. The FO hired BV because he wouldn't coverup or excuse their bad behavior. Better to do it now then during the season. Let these spoiled underperforming malcontents know where they stand. Coddling them didn't work. That is a direct quote from Cafardo's MLB radio interview. Given his access to NESN and the FO I'd say that is pretty close to the FO's thinking on the matter.

 

Instead of focusing on whether BV handled this well or not, all you BV bashers should be focusing on Gammon's interview about Crawford. That is more worrisome. Regardless of how BV handled the situation, there is clearly something not right with CC.

The real question is: could any of this hurt Crawford's already horrendous 2011 performance? I don't think so. What was his excuse for stinking up the field in every aspect last season?

[Spudboy]

Somehow I am not getting why people think this would be a better situation if we didn't know about it. Would the snub have been any less a snub and any less damaging to the relationship if we didn't know about it? I don't think it works that way.

 

Is everyone going to blame Valentine for Crawford turning to s***? Who was to blame for last season... Francona who is the polar opposite of Valentine? Maybe we just should have continued with ballplayers growing extra chins during the season, disregarding the fundamentals of the game, leaving starters in for 7 runs a couple of times a week, never throwing out base runners, third base coaches not knowing the number of outs or clearly misunderstanding game situations etc. , but we'll feel better about it when Francona tells the camera that Wakefield competed for the first 4 innings giving up 6 runs and that it kind of got away from him in the 5 after the back to back to back doubles and threes steals of third base as the game sped up on him a little. I love Tito, but luckily had nothing heavier in my hands than a bag of chips or I would have needed several new TVs. I saw that show. It rated zero in the Nielson ratings. Time for a new approach. Carl Crawford acting like dick is his problem.

 

 

Yes!

 

But a bag of chips? That's lame!

[a700hitter]

Yes!

 

But a bag of chips? That's lame!

Well, I would never throw good beer or vodka.

[Elktonnick]

I have to agree with Yazman that you are making a lot of assumptions.

 

Fact: Crawford has not returned Valentine's call.

 

Assumptions: Crawford is pouting. Crawford is one messed up dude. He obviously can't handle fair criticism.

 

And do you know for a fact that the reason Crawford hasn't called Valentine is because of what Valentine said about Crawford's stance? Did Crawford say that? Maybe I missed it, but if he did in fact say that, I would like to see the quote.

 

He siad it when he was an analyst for ESPN during a game. He said the problem was Crawford's ridiculous stance. He said it well before the September collapse. Crawford let he be known he was pissed. BV was advised to contact CC to clear the air. That's how this whole thing got started. BV reached out to all the vets. As far as I know the only snub is from CC who was the only one other than Beckett who had let it be known that they were upset by BV's comments when he was an ESPN analyst.

BTW I suggest you read Gammons column. Fegler, Tom Caron an numerous others are making the same observations as I do about CC. What else do you call it when someone acts the way CC has. The best way for him to prove otherwise is to pick up the phone. The longer he fails to do so the more he is making the case that he is one messed up puppy dog.

[Spudboy]

Well' date=' I would never throw good beer or vodka. [/quote']

 

"Well played good Sir".

[Spudboy]

Time for intermission!

 

It's f***ing cold out there. I live in a non-smoking building. So I have to go outside to smoke. I am addicted to three substances. Vodka, young pussy, and cigarettes. I may have to forgo the cigs. f*** is it COLD!

[a700hitter]

Valentine set to meet with more players

Globe Staff December 29, 2011 06:41 PM

By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

 

Bobby Valentine must have tremendous frequent flyer miles.

 

The manager on the move was on MLB Network Radio this afternoon and said he would be meeting with Josh Beckett, Clay Buchholz and Carl Crawford this weekend in Texas.

 

“There is no, from what I gather, any adversarial relationship with either situation. I just want to talk to Carl about his plan for next year," Valentine said. "Talking to [Dustin] Pedroia, who has had a couple of text messages with him, Carl is working his butt off and doing everything he can to put up and make people shut up, and that’s all I’m asking.”

[Spudboy]

This whole situation is over blown. BV may not have the biggest brain (for that matter I am not sure Crawford's I.Q. is over 100). This matter is a media event and that is all. Look how much all of us are keying on it.

[VA Sox Fan]

Somehow I am not getting why people think this would be a better situation if we didn't know about it. Would the snub have been any less a snub and any less damaging to the relationship if we didn't know about it? I don't think it works that way.

 

Is everyone going to blame Valentine for Crawford turning to s***? Who was to blame for last season... Francona who is the polar opposite of Valentine? Maybe we just should have continued with ballplayers growing extra chins during the season, disregarding the fundamentals of the game, leaving starters in for 7 runs a couple of times a week, never throwing out base runners, third base coaches not knowing the number of outs or clearly misunderstanding game situations etc. , but we'll feel better about it when Francona tells the camera that Wakefield competed for the first 4 innings giving up 6 runs and that it kind of got away from him in the 5 after the back to back to back doubles and threes steals of third base as the game sped up on him a little. I love Tito, but luckily had nothing heavier in my hands than a bag of chips or I would have needed several new TVs. I saw that show. It rated zero in the Nielson ratings. Time for a new approach. Carl Crawford acting like dick is his problem.

 

Somehow, you don't realize that no matter what your opinion is and that not everyone buys into it and "sees the light" of how you think things are, people will disagree.

 

Go ahead and beat that dead horse. Agree to disagree. Move on. Good God!

 

But, we know that will never ever happen in a million.

[a700hitter]

Somehow, you don't realize that no matter what your opinion is and that not everyone buys into it and "sees the light" of how you think things are, people will disagree.

 

Go ahead and beat that dead horse. Agree to disagree. Move on. Good God!

 

But, we know that will never ever happen in a million.

I let go of it a page ago.

Good God!

[VA Sox Fan]

No assumptions just facts based on the reporting. CC won't even talk to Gammons. This isn't about BV. It is about Crawford's immaturity and insecurity and the fact he sucked last year.

 

At your age, do you really, honestly believe everything that you read? Especially with the press in Boston? Who haven't they crapped on from Ted Williams all the way up to Tito/Theo? I should add the media in general. They spin it how they want.

[a700hitter]

Somehow, you don't realize that no matter what your opinion is and that not everyone buys into it and "sees the light" of how you think things are, people will disagree.

 

Go ahead and beat that dead horse. Agree to disagree. Move on. Good God!

 

But, we know that will never ever happen in a million.

But I do reserve the right to raise the issue again.....because IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD.

 

The name of the thread is quite self-explanatory. There are at least two sides of this issue. If you are tired of the discussion, why would you keep coming back to the thread? Move on! Good God!

[VA Sox Fan]

I let go of it a page ago.

Good God!

 

Really? FINALLY!!?? Thank Christ!

 

Has Hell actually frozen over???

[a700hitter]

At your age' date=' do you really, honestly believe [i']everything[/i] that you read? Especially with the press in Boston? Who haven't they crapped on from Ted Williams all the way up to Tito/Theo? I should add the media in general. They spin it how they want.

Move on already!

Good God!

[VA Sox Fan]

But I do reserve the right to raise the issue again.....because IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD.

 

The name of the thread is quite self-explanatory. There are at least two sides of this issue. If you are tired of the discussion, why would you keep coming back to the thread. Move on! Good God!

 

No need to be an a-hole. I haven't been . I didn't even dig at you with your comment about Crawford having thin skin........

[VA Sox Fan]

Move on already!

Good God!

 

Oh, was I commenting on your quote?

 

I think the member of the entourage can speak for himself.

[a700hitter]

No need to be an a-hole. I haven't been . I didn't even dig at you with your comment about Crawford having thin skin........

Telling someone to stop a discussion is being an a-hole on a message board. No one has been saying anything offensive to each other, just disagreeing.

[VA Sox Fan]

Telling someone to stop a discussion is being an a-hole on a message board. No one has been saying anything offensive to each other' date=' just disagreeing.[/quote']

 

Ok

[YAZMAN]

Alright, alright, everybody take a deep breathe and a couple of Geritols...

[VA Sox Fan]

Alright' date=' alright, everybody take a deep breathe and a couple of Geritols... [/quote']

 

Love ya YAZ! Always have and always will bro!

[a700hitter]

Alright' date=' alright, everybody take a deep breathe and a couple of Geritols... [/quote']... and a Midol.

[mvp 78]

This is the single most accurate post so far in this thread. Spot on' date=' you nailed it.[/quote']

 

Thanks. Though I'm kinda embarassed that after 3 years I still can't type on my stupid iphone.

[VA Sox Fan]

... and a Midol.

 

....and Viagra

[a700hitter]

....and Viagra

Taking Viagra and Geritol together can have a very bad interactive effect. It's one or the other.

[VA Sox Fan]

Taking Viagra and Geritol together can have a very bad interactive effect. It's one or the other.

 

Wow. Glad I don't need either

[a700hitter]

Wow. Glad I don't need either

Me too.

[YAZMAN]

Love ya YAZ! Always have and always will bro!

 

Loves ya, my sistah from anotha mistah!

[Spudboy]

Thanks. Though I'm kinda embarassed that after 3 years I still can't type on my stupid iphone.

 

You have this problem too? I can't type very well at all. Typing on my iphone presents even more challenges as I have stubby little fingers and failing eyesight. Do not get old!!

[VA Sox Fan]

A BV quote in the Globe from a radio interview:

 

Bobby Valentine must have tremendous frequent flyer miles.

 

The manager on the move was on MLB Network Radio this afternoon and said he would be meeting with Josh Beckett, Clay Buchholz and Carl Crawford this weekend in Texas.

 

“There is no, from what I gather, any adversarial relationship with either situation. I just want to talk to Carl about his plan for next year," Valentine said. "Talking to [Dustin] Pedroia, who has had a couple of text messages with him, Carl is working his butt off and doing everything he can to put up and make people shut up, and that’s all I’m asking.”

*******************

 

Much better BV.

[a700hitter]

A BV quote in the Globe from a radio interview:

 

Bobby Valentine must have tremendous frequent flyer miles.

 

The manager on the move was on MLB Network Radio this afternoon and said he would be meeting with Josh Beckett, Clay Buchholz and Carl Crawford this weekend in Texas.

 

“There is no, from what I gather, any adversarial relationship with either situation. I just want to talk to Carl about his plan for next year," Valentine said. "Talking to [Dustin] Pedroia, who has had a couple of text messages with him, Carl is working his butt off and doing everything he can to put up and make people shut up, and that’s all I’m asking.”

*******************

 

Much better BV.

Let's hope Crawford answers the door.