2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[a700hitter]

This is exactly how I feel about almost our entire bullpen.

 

Jenks - Injured and fat. We can hope he returns to form during a contract year, but I have zero expectations.

 

Doubront - Injured last year, got torched a few outings as well. Big step backwards in my book from 2010. Hope he can gain his stuff back, but I'm not expecting anything.

 

Tazawa - See your comments.

 

Morales - When he throws strikes, he's a top 3 left handed reliever in the entire game. Throws hard, and his stuff is filthy. He just lacks consistent control. Hope, not expect.

 

Albers - Brilliant in the first 3/4 of the season, but then he got absolutely pummeled. Which Albers was the real Albers, and which was just an aberration? Judging by his history, I think we got 3/4 of a year of aberration. Again, hope he's that good, but I am not naive enough to expect it.

 

Melancon - I guess we can expect him to have at least moderate success pitching in the AL East. If he throws to a 3.3-3.5 ERA, that's about what I'd expect. Not elite, but he'll get the job done.

 

So basically, our bullpen is full of "If they pitch like they did during the ______ season, they'll be great, but if they pitch like they have recently, it's going to be a tough year."

Over my many years of being a fan and doing analysis like above, I have learned that when you start piling up th "ifs" it means that your team will not be very good. Rarely, do all or most of the "ifs" occur. More likely only a few come through and that is not enough to be a good ball club. You have a highlighted a bunch of "ifs" and that is only with regard to the bullpen. We have other "ifs" besides the pen. Bard and Aceves holding down rotation spots over the course of a season is a huge unknown. Reddick or Kalish holding down RF for an entire season and giving the team good offensive production is an "if" too. It's not a huge issue, but it is far from a certainty. I'd feel a lot better if we got a good RH bat to share OF duties.

 

If Cherries can build a good pen, a lot of our issues go away, but there goes that word "if" again. Truly, at this point, this team can go hard in either direction-- very good or a no-contender. Things are developing very slowly and it's frustrating. As Fred said, we have gotten worse since the end of the season. We are waiting for moves to turn that around.

 

Of course there have been years like 1975, when 2 kids like Rice and Lynn come up from the minors to become the 2 best players in the league, but I am not holding my breath on that. Even though it was the age before the internet and ESPN and Sports Talk radio, we still knew about Lynn and Rice while they were in the minors. They were that good.

[VA Sox Fan]

Insufferable whining to you Scarlett. To some of us your pollyanna attitude reeks of Alice in Wonderland unreality, but that's fine. I can read it and roll my eyes, but you have a real intolerance for anything that sounds even the least negative. Just put me on ignore as you said you would and be done with it. The 2011 season stunk. That's my opinion. The off season so far as been a disappointment. That's my opinion. We are weaker now than we were at the end of last season. That's my opinion. We haven't upgraded to the point of being a serious contender for any kind of title next season. That's also my opinion.

 

I root just as hard for the Red Sox as you do and I would bet I take losses at the very least as hard as you do, and will keep rooting for the Sox with all my emotion and energy, but I'll be damned if I will keep quiet if I feel the front office is trying to skinflint their way in trying now to win on the cheap. Because you never win on the cheap.

 

Thanks Fred Flintstone (clever, huh?....not at all, annoying....)

 

Who is Scarlett? Scarlett O'Hara from Gone With The Wind? Wow, that's original but her character was from GA, I am not. Didn't read Alice In Wonderland, was that fiction?

 

To some of us your use of "clever" nicknames and your attitude that you think you know more than the front office reeks of condescension. I don't care what you and your entourage think of me. I'm not going anywhere. I don't have to use the Ignore feature to ignore your posts, it's easy 95% of the time.

 

WE ALL KNOW that the way the 2011 season ended SUCKED. Time to move on. Bring on the 2012 season!!

[a700hitter]

Can't watch any games during the hot stove. Second guessing' date=' speculation and predictions may not work for you which is okay but don't begrudge others that right. Baseball fans in general and Red Sox fans in particular have been doing that for generations. The MLB network sports talk radio wouldn't exist without it.[/quote']

People would still be arguing about whether Pesky held the ball too long on Slaughter's Mad Dash around the bases or whether it was the center fielder's fault, except for the fact that most of the people who remember the game are now dead.

 

[Elktonnick]

People would still be arguing about whether Pesky held the ball too long on Slaughter's Mad Dash around the bases or whether it was the center fielder's fault, except for the fact that most of the people who remember the game are now dead.

 

 

I saw the film, he held the ball too long!

[Elktonnick]

"you know more than the front office" Virtually everyone in RSN believes they know more than the front office. It's our birthright.<_>

[seabeachfred]

Over my many years of being a fan and doing analysis like above, I have learned that when you start piling up th "ifs" it means that your team will not be very good. Rarely, do all or most of the "ifs" occur. More likely only a few come through and that is not enough to be a good ball club. You have a highlighted a bunch of "ifs" and that is only with regard to the bullpen. We have other "ifs" besides the pen. Bard and Aceves holding down rotation spots over the course of a season is a huge unknown. Reddick or Kalish holding down RF for an entire season and giving the team good offensive production is an "if" too. It's not a huge issue, but it is far from a certainty. I'd feel a lot better if we got a good RH bat to share OF duties.

 

If Cherries can build a good pen, a lot of our issues go away, but there goes that word "if" again. Truly, at this point, this team can go hard in either direction-- very good or a no-contender. Things are developing very slowly and it's frustrating. As Fred said, we have gotten worse since the end of the season. We are waiting for moves to turn that around.

 

Of course there have been years like 1975, when 2 kids like Rice and Lynn come up from the minors to become the 2 best players in the league, but I am not holding my breath on that. Even though it was the age before the internet and ESPN and Sports Talk radio, we still knew about Lynn and Rice while they were in the minors. They were that good.

 

That list of bullpen aspirants 700 is enough to make us all worry. Some seem to think the Sox are going to sign Madson and that would go a long way to helping the pen out. Right now we have to hope a lot of those people come through and after seeing Jenks last year I'm not bursting with optimism. Melancon had a good year last season and if he can show that in the AL East we have one chip in our favor. I'd still like to see us trade or sign a quality pitcher and send either Bard or Aceves back to the pen, but my argument, which some took as running down the front office (which I was) is that nothing has been shown to me that the team is willing to go over that magic pay mark. If they do we can get what we need. I want to see some more moves made before the trucks leave so we can all be buoyed up for the 2012 season.

[kapsis21]

That list of bullpen aspirants 700 is enough to make us all worry. Some seem to think the Sox are going to sign Madson and that would go a long way to helping the pen out. Right now we have to hope a lot of those people come through and after seeing Jenks last year I'm not bursting with optimism. Melancon had a good year last season and if he can show that in the AL East we have one chip in our favor. I'd still like to see us trade or sign a quality pitcher and send either Bard or Aceves back to the pen' date=' but my argument, which some took as running down the front office (which I was) is that nothing has been shown to me that the team is willing to go over that magic pay mark. If they do we can get what we need. I want to see some more moves made before the trucks leave so we can all be buoyed up for the 2012 season.[/quote']

 

I have to agree if Madson signs a 2-3 year deal and comes at a cheaper price under 15-20 mill that would make it a decent bullpen, assuming Madson is ready for the pressure cooker AL EAST..

[User Name]

Peter Abraham:

 

Why does Ben Cherington get a hard time from Red Sox fans about his relative lack of action and Brian Cashman doesn't from Yankees fans? The Sox spent a lot of money last year. Hence, they do not have as much to spend this year. It's not hard to understand. Can we give Ben more than a few weeks before judging him as a GM? Let the guy do his job and see what kind of team takes the field in April.[/Quote]

 

As MVP78 said, a 25-man roster is not constructed overnight. Bitching over and over about the same thing (and i actually agree with you on most things Fred, it's just the whiny presentation) is not going to make it go any faster.

[seabeachfred]

Thanks Fred Flintstone (clever, huh?....not at all, annoying....)

 

Who is Scarlett? Scarlett O'Hara from Gone With The Wind? Wow, that's original but her character was from GA, I am not. Didn't read Alice In Wonderland, was that fiction?

 

To some of us your use of "clever" nicknames and your attitude that you think you know more than the front office reeks of condescension. I don't care what you and your entourage think of me. I'm not going anywhere. I don't have to use the Ignore feature to ignore your posts, it's easy 95% of the time.

 

WE ALL KNOW that the way the 2011 season ended SUCKED. Time to move on. Bring on the 2012 season!!

 

Condescension to you and a few others but not condescension to many others on this board who feel free to criticize the front office when there is criticism to give---and right now there is plenty to go around. Besides, as Elk said, criticizing the front office is the birthright of Red Sox fans. I'm more than willing to just go along with you and agree to disagree but, as I said, you have a very difficult time accepting my right to say what I feel. Sorry madam but I will continue to do this until I see the front office upgrade our team so that I don't have to worry that 2012 will end up like 2011. Yes,bring on the 2012 season-------just as soon as the front office upgrades the team so we have a chance to maybe celebrate something next year.

 

Catch you later VA. Off I am to see my granddaughter's performance in her Kindergarten Christmas play. I'll leave you with GO RED SOX!!!!!!!!!! Better???

[a700hitter]

"you know more than the front office" Virtually everyone in RSN believes they know more than the front office. It's our birthright.<_> I don't understand why anyone would be offended by criticism leveled at any teams FO, unless they are family members of those being criticized. IMO, Sports executives are basically a bunch of privileged knuckleheads that lucked into a very lucrative business. They are an incestuous bunch of leeches and my disdain for them runs across all sports. That being said, obviously some do a better job than others, and that's what we are here to discuss. Many of them are not qualified to run a business. What big organization puts someone in charge that has a degree in History? Baseball and other major sports recycle these dolts. Does a baseball executive ever lose a job and have to get a job in a different industry? Never. They shuffle them around from team to team and within organizations and they stay until they get toe tags, and most of them achieve little if anything during there careers. Dan Duquette is back as a GM for crying out loud. I have no particular like or dislike of any particular sports executive, but rather disdain for the entire group, so I cannot understand the cult like adulation for the Sox FO by some fans.

 

IMO, there was one great sports executive-- Branch Rickey. The rest have been leeches to one degree or another. Rickey was courageous and an innovator. Before he changed baseball and society by bringing Jackie Robinson to the major leagues, he changed baseball profoundly by developing the modern farm system for the Cardinals. Of course, the despicable leech and greedy pig, O'malley undermined Rickey and squeezed him out of the Dodger organization. Rickey went to the Pirates organization where he was the first GM to start a major influx of Hispanic ballplayers. Rickey had been hiding Clemente from other teams while he was in the Dodger organization. When he went to Pittsburgh, he plucked him from the Dodgers.

[a700hitter]

That list of bullpen aspirants 700 is enough to make us all worry. Some seem to think the Sox are going to sign Madson and that would go a long way to helping the pen out. Right now we have to hope a lot of those people come through and after seeing Jenks last year I'm not bursting with optimism. Melancon had a good year last season and if he can show that in the AL East we have one chip in our favor. I'd still like to see us trade or sign a quality pitcher and send either Bard or Aceves back to the pen' date=' but my argument, which some took as running down the front office (which I was) is that nothing has been shown to me that the team is willing to go over that magic pay mark. If they do we can get what we need. I want to see some more moves made before the trucks leave so we can all be buoyed up for the 2012 season.[/quote']When people start with the "ifs", I get nervous, because I know how that ends up. After the third "if", I usually can't control myself and I blurt out, "If, if, if! And 'if' the Queen had balls, she'd be the King!" ;):lol:

[Elktonnick]

I don't understand why anyone would be offended by criticism leveled at any teams FO, unless they are family members of those being criticized. IMO, Sports executives are basically a bunch of privileged knuckleheads that lucked into a very lucrative business. They are an incestuous bunch of leeches and I my disdain for them runs across all sports. That being said, obviously some do a better job than others, and that's what we are here to discuss. Many of them are not qualified to run a business. What big organization puts someone in charge that has a degree in History? Baseball and other major sports recycle these dolts. Does a baseball executive ever lose a job and have to get a job in a different industry? Never. They shuffle them around from team to team and within organizations and they stay until they get toe tags, and most of them achieve little if anything during there careers. Dan Duquette is back as a GM for crying out loud. I have no particular like or dislike of any particular sports executive, but rather disdain for the entire group, so I cannot understand the cult like adulation for the Sox FO by some fans.

 

IMO, there was one great sports executive-- Branch Rickey. The rest have been leeches to one degree or another. Rickey was courageous and an innovator. Before he changed baseball and society by bringing Jackie Robinson to the major leagues, he changed baseball profoundly by developing the modern farm system for the Cardinals. Of course, the despicable leech and greedy pig, O'malley undermined Rickey and squeezed him out of the Dodger organization. Rickey went to the Pirates organization where he was the first GM to start a major influx of Hispanic ballplayers. Rickey had been hiding Clemente from other teams while he was in the Dodger organization. When he went to Pittsburgh, he plucked him from the Dodgers.

 

Several years ago, I had a lengthy conversation with a high school and college classmate who had a five year or so career with several major league clubs. He basically said the same thing as you did. I'll never forget the stories he told of why some guys stay up and other get sent down or traded. It often has more to do with who is sleeping with whose wife then play on the field. He made it clear that organized ball is an insider's game, especially in the front office.

[User Name]

I don't understand why anyone would be offended by criticism leveled at any teams FO, unless they are family members of those being criticized. IMO, Sports executives are basically a bunch of privileged knuckleheads that lucked into a very lucrative business. They are an incestuous bunch of leeches and I my disdain for them runs across all sports. That being said, obviously some do a better job than others, and that's what we are here to discuss. Many of them are not qualified to run a business. What big organization puts someone in charge that has a degree in History? Baseball and other major sports recycle these dolts. Does a baseball executive ever lose a job and have to get a job in a different industry? Never. They shuffle them around from team to team and within organizations and they stay until they get toe tags, and most of them achieve little if anything during there careers. Dan Duquette is back as a GM for crying out loud. I have no particular like or dislike of any particular sports executive, but rather disdain for the entire group, so I cannot understand the cult like adulation for the Sox FO by some fans.

 

IMO, there was one great sports executive-- Branch Rickey. The rest have been leeches to one degree or another. Rickey was courageous and an innovator. Before he changed baseball and society by bringing Jackie Robinson to the major leagues, he changed baseball profoundly by developing the modern farm system for the Cardinals. Of course, the despicable leech and greedy pig, O'malley undermined Rickey and squeezed him out of the Dodger organization. Rickey went to the Pirates organization where he was the first GM to start a major influx of Hispanic ballplayers. Rickey had been hiding Clemente from other teams while he was in the Dodger organization. When he went to Pittsburgh, he plucked him from the Dodgers.

 

So envy's at the root of the disdain, and disdain is the root of all the whining. Explains a lot.

[a700hitter]

Several years ago' date=' I had a lengthy conversation with a high school and college classmate who had a five year or so career with several major league clubs. He basically said the same thing as you did. I'll never forget the stories he told of why some guys stay up and other get sent down or traded. It often has more to do with who is sleeping with whose wife then play on the field. He made it clear that organized ball is an insider's game, especially in the front office.[/quote']It's an insiders game as much as local politics. In politics, when someone gets voted out of office, the next thing you know they are in some appointed position on a commission, committee or panel.

[User Name]

Several years ago' date=' I had a lengthy conversation with a high school and college classmate who had a five year or so career with several major league clubs. He basically said the same thing as you did. I'll never forget the stories he told of why some guys stay up and other get sent down or traded. It often has more to do with who is sleeping with whose wife then play on the field. He made it clear that organized ball is an insider's game, especially in the front office.[/quote']

 

Yet some fans (not you necessarily) love mouthing off about the inside workings of a ballclub like they actually know what's going on in there. See where i'm going with this?

[a700hitter]

Rockies To Sign Michael Cuddyer

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 16 at 9:24am CST]

 

The Rockies have agreed to sign Michael Cuddyer, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter). The Rockies' best and final offer to Cuddyer was believed to be for three years and $27MM, according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post, who reported growing momentum toward a deal last night. Casey Close of Excel Sports Management represents Cuddyer.

 

This isn't the beginning of a Marlins or Angels-like free agent shopping spree for GM Dan O'Dowd. The Rockies cleared payroll for Cuddyer earlier this month, sending Huston Street and Ian Stewart to National League rivals in trades.

 

One suitor for Carlos Beltran likely disappears now that the Rockies have Cuddyer. As Renck points out, Seth Smith's role becomes uncertain with the addition of Cuddyer. He could be a bench bat if the Rockies don't trade him.

 

The Twins, who signed Josh Willingham this week, will obtain two top draft picks for losing Cuddyer, since they offered the Type A free agent arbitration. However, it will not cost the Rockies a draft pick to sign Cuddyer under modified rules for ranked free agents.

With him and Willingham off the market, the only outfielder left on the FA market that would interest me is Beltran. I guess we will be getting someone through a trade, possibly one of those under the radar moves.

[a700hitter]

Has anyone read or heard anything about Zumaya lately? Wasn't he supposed to throw for some teams to evaluate him? Did that happen?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Has anyone read or heard anything about Zumaya lately? Wasn't he supposed to throw for some teams to evaluate him? Did that happen?

 

Haven't heard anything about him, but I've always been a huge Joel Zumaya fan. Dude throws straight gas. I always hated it when he would come in relief for the Tigers when we were facing them.

 

He would be a huge addition to the bullpen, pending health. That elbow injury looked nasty.

[a700hitter]

Haven't heard anything about him, but I've always been a huge Joel Zumaya fan. Dude throws straight gas. I always hated it when he would come in relief for the Tigers when we were facing them.

 

He would be a huge addition to the bullpen, pending health. That elbow injury looked nasty.

How long ago did the injury and the surgery happen?

[SoxFanForsyth]

How long ago did the injury and the surgery happen?

 

I believe he got hurt in 2010, if I remember correctly. I think the surgery was immediately after that.

 

Didn't throw an inning last year, though.

 

Here's an update I just found

 

The Texas Rangers are taking a look at free-agent RP Joel Zumaya (Tigers). Rangers general manager Jon Daniels had not had a chance to review Zumaya with the pro scouting staff. About 20 teams attended Zumaya's workout recently.

 

2011-12-16 01:11:07 | Source: The Dallas Morning News - Gerry Fraley

 

So about 20 teams took a look at his workout. I would be shocked if the Sox weren't one of them. This was from the Dallas Morning News, so I'm not surprised that it only mentions the Rangers. I don't at all take this as an indication that the Rangers are the most interested in him, just that they are the only ones cited in the Dallas paper.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Joel Zumaya hasn’t appeared in a big-league game since his elbow exploded mid-pitch on June 28, 2010, but Jason Beck of MLB.com reports that the oft-injured right-hander “is scheduled to throw a mound session for interested teams” two weeks from now in Houston.

 

Plenty of promising young pitchers have had their careers derailed by arm injuries, but what makes Zumaya unique is that he’s come back from every surgery throwing 100 miles per hour. So far, at least.

 

Beck speculates that the Tigers might be interested in re-signing him to a minor-league contract, but Zumaya indicated that a fresh start elsewhere would probably be his first choice. Zumaya says the Red Sox have already expressed interest and his workout is expected to draw at least 10 teams.

 

There's some more information, including an indication from Zumaya himself that the Red Sox have already expressed interest. Hopefully he's interested in the Red Sox as well.

 

This article was written on 12/2/2011, to give you a bit of a time reference.

[a700hitter]

I believe he got hurt in 2010, if I remember correctly. I think the surgery was immediately after that.

 

Didn't throw an inning last year, though.

 

Here's an update I just found

 

 

 

So about 20 teams took a look at his workout. I would be shocked if the Sox weren't one of them. This was from the Dallas Morning News, so I'm not surprised that it only mentions the Rangers. I don't at all take this as an indication that the Rangers are the most interested in him, just that they are the only ones cited in the Dallas paper.

Thanks for the information. He's basically into his second post op year, so he might be able to contribute this season.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Thanks for the information. He's basically into his second post op year' date=' so he might be able to contribute this season.[/quote']

 

I'd love to take a flyer on him. The upside he's got is unparalleled. He's like Bard 2.0.

 

Can you imagine a back end of the bullpen of Jenks (if healthy) - Zumaya - Melancon - Bard.

 

That'd be about as solid as they come. Even if Bard is a starter, go sign Zoom and trade for Bailey. I'd love that.

[example1]

Reading that if Rangers lose out on Darvish they will be even more aggressive on Gio and Bailey. Sox might want to consider not letting Rangers keep adding pieces. They are the cream of the AL right now, right where the Sox want to be. Sox and Bailey are a natural fit.

 

Trade for Bailey and sign Oswalt and maybe even Harden and I'm a happy camper.

 

Beckett

Lester

Buchholz

Oswalt

Bard or Aceves

 

That allows either bard or Aceves to be in the pen.

[a700hitter]

Reading that if Rangers lose out on Darvish they will be even more aggressive on Gio and Bailey. Sox might want to consider not letting Rangers keep adding pieces. They are the cream of the AL right now, right where the Sox want to be. Sox and Bailey are a natural fit.

 

Trade for Bailey and sign Oswalt and maybe even Harden and I'm a happy camper.

 

Beckett

Lester

Buchholz

Oswalt

Bard or Aceves

 

That allows either bard or Aceves to be in the pen.

Those are three injured pitchers that you are looking to add and one of them (Oswalt) is old too. I don't know how well that could turn out. I'd rather go after Gio who is young and healthy.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Reading that if Rangers lose out on Darvish they will be even more aggressive on Gio and Bailey. Sox might want to consider not letting Rangers keep adding pieces. They are the cream of the AL right now, right where the Sox want to be. Sox and Bailey are a natural fit.

 

Trade for Bailey and sign Oswalt and maybe even Harden and I'm a happy camper.

 

Beckett

Lester

Buchholz

Oswalt

Bard or Aceves

 

That allows either bard or Aceves to be in the pen.

 

I disagree. I don't think the Rangers are even the best in their division right now. I'd take the Angels with Haren, Weaver, Wilson, and Santana, and an offense that just added Pujols just about any day of the week. That's a tough, tough team to beat.

 

I agree with signing Oswalt. Absolutely agree. Sign him and Zumaya, put Bard/Aceves in the rotation (I'd put Aceves in the rotation myself, he threw over 100 IP last year and didn't show any signs of letting up), and all of a sudden this pitching staff went from being a weakness into a strength. Adding depth, however, is going to be difficult. Saunders would be good for depth, but he won't sign a minor league deal. I guess we could make him our 5th man, and then have Aceves as our #6, Doubront #7, Tazawa #8, Miller #9.

[iortiz]

I don't understand why anyone would be offended by criticism leveled at any teams FO' date=' unless they are family members of those being criticized[/b']. IMO, Sports executives are basically a bunch of privileged knuckleheads that lucked into a very lucrative business. They are an incestuous bunch of leeches and my disdain for them runs across all sports. That being said, obviously some do a better job than others, and that's what we are here to discuss. Many of them are not qualified to run a business. What big organization puts someone in charge that has a degree in History? Baseball and other major sports recycle these dolts. Does a baseball executive ever lose a job and have to get a job in a different industry? Never. They shuffle them around from team to team and within organizations and they stay until they get toe tags, and most of them achieve little if anything during there careers. Dan Duquette is back as a GM for crying out loud. I have no particular like or dislike of any particular sports executive, but rather disdain for the entire group, so I cannot understand the cult like adulation for the Sox FO by some fans.

 

IMO, there was one great sports executive-- Branch Rickey. The rest have been leeches to one degree or another. Rickey was courageous and an innovator. Before he changed baseball and society by bringing Jackie Robinson to the major leagues, he changed baseball profoundly by developing the modern farm system for the Cardinals. Of course, the despicable leech and greedy pig, O'malley undermined Rickey and squeezed him out of the Dodger organization. Rickey went to the Pirates organization where he was the first GM to start a major influx of Hispanic ballplayers. Rickey had been hiding Clemente from other teams while he was in the Dodger organization. When he went to Pittsburgh, he plucked him from the Dodgers.

 

... or even a player, manager, ump, etc. Unreal but here happens my friend.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Those are three injured pitchers that you are looking to add and one of them (Oswalt) is old too. I don't know how well that could turn out. I'd rather go after Gio who is young and healthy.

 

All things equal, I'd definitely take Gio over Oswalt. But if I could get Oswalt for 1/$8-10mm + an option for year 2 vs having to give up a guys like Lavarnway, Kalish, and WMB for Gio, I'll take Oswalt.

 

But I guess we really have no pitching in our upper minors at all, so it's not like we're just trying to "bridge the gap" between this year and 1-2 years from now when we have this huge pitchign talent coming up. I can see Gio being a good option as well.

[SoxFanForsyth]

... or even a player' date=' manager, ump, etc. Unreal but here happens my friend.[/quote']

 

Hey man. Don't criticize Pedroia. That's my only player I'll get offended about. Plays all out, 110% every single day. That's really all you can ever ask from anyone.

[iortiz]

Reading that if Rangers lose out on Darvish they will be even more aggressive on Gio and Bailey. Sox might want to consider not letting Rangers keep adding pieces. They are the cream of the AL right now, right where the Sox want to be. Sox and Bailey are a natural fit.

 

Trade for Bailey and sign Oswalt and maybe even Harden and I'm a happy camper.

 

Beckett

Lester

Buchholz

Oswalt

Bard or Aceves

 

That allows either bard or Aceves to be in the pen.

 

I don't like Oswald E1, somehow remembers me Bedard (prone to injuries)! I don't wanna go through it again.

 

I'd prefer Gio.