2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

Problem here is cherry picking "middle third" as middle of the pack. Somehow team #10 is top of the pack, but team #11 is middle of the pack. Not a very sound argument imo.

[ibot2much]

Past-poster, maybe.

Current-poster, doubtful.

Why would anyone bother making an extra account? It's not like people aren't free to speak their minds.

 

 

That is part of the reason NESN changed their message board---people had multiple accounts so that they could agree with themselves thereby giving the impression that they held the popular view and their "enemies" not.

[FredLynn]

Problem here is cherry picking "middle third" as middle of the pack. Somehow team #10 is top of the pack' date=' but team #11 is middle of the pack. Not a very sound argument imo.[/quote']

 

Its approximate. With rankings of 10, 11, 14, and 18 out of 30, thats consistently middle of the pack IMO.

[User Name]

Except that the two lowest rankings you gave were either from an inaccurate source (Bleacher report) or from the wrong year.

[FredLynn]

He's Johnny Troll talking trash with his first post. It's likely that he's an alter-ego of one of our past or present psychotic posters. He'll flame out pretty fast.

 

Several of us think he is a refugee from Sawxheads. He drinks too much and isn't particularly insightful. Eventually we drove him out.

[FredLynn]

Except that the two lowest rankings you gave were either from an inaccurate source (Bleacher report) or from the wrong year.

 

None of the rankings place them in the upper eschelon.

[a700hitter]

A team with the Red Sox resources should have a farm system that is in everyone's top 10. We don't.

[Elktonnick]

None of the rankings place them in the upper eschelon.

 

Here is another point of view which is a bit more authoratative.

 

Although the network still announces the goal of providing an "empowering opportunity for every contributor hoping to establish his or her voice" in the sports blogosphere, [19] Bleacher Report addressed the concerns of its critics by making substantive reforms to its editorial and personnel policies beginning in 2010. These reforms were aimed chiefly at the mechanics of B/R's Writer Program, with an emphasis on enhancing quality and credibility by…

Initiating a formal application process for all prospective writers, wherein only the top 20 percent of candidates earn the right to publish on the site[20][21]

Introducing comprehensive training resources for new and veteran writers, including the "B/R U" new-media training program[22]

Establishing a paid team of high-profile Lead Writers to headline the network's sport-specific writer communities[23]

 

These reforms, along with the continued growth of B/R's audience, prompted Forbes.com to single out Bleacher Report as a company "doing it right" in August 2011.[24] B/R was also named one of Time Magazine's "50 Best Websites of 2011,"[25] and was picked by Adweek readers as 2011's "Best Sports Media Brand."[

[User Name]

None of the rankings place them in the upper eschelon.

 

Not a lot place them right in the middle either. Also several expect them to enter the "upper eschelon" as you call it, as their prospects get closer to their ETA's.

 

Years of drafting high-ceiling HS talent will do that. People who follow farm systems closely get this, specially the Yankee fans.

 

A team with the Red Sox resources should have a farm system that is in everyone's top 10. We don't.

 

You admittedly don't care about or follow the minor leagues, so why run your mouth? What a joke.

[User Name]

Here is another point of view which is a bit more authoratative.

 

Although the network still announces the goal of providing an "empowering opportunity for every contributor hoping to establish his or her voice" in the sports blogosphere, [19] Bleacher Report addressed the concerns of its critics by making substantive reforms to its editorial and personnel policies beginning in 2010. These reforms were aimed chiefly at the mechanics of B/R's Writer Program, with an emphasis on enhancing quality and credibility by…

Initiating a formal application process for all prospective writers, wherein only the top 20 percent of candidates earn the right to publish on the site[20][21]

Introducing comprehensive training resources for new and veteran writers, including the "B/R U" new-media training program[22]

Establishing a paid team of high-profile Lead Writers to headline the network's sport-specific writer communities[23]

 

These reforms, along with the continued growth of B/R's audience, prompted Forbes.com to single out Bleacher Report as a company "doing it right" in August 2011.[24] B/R was also named one of Time Magazine's "50 Best Websites of 2011,"[25] and was picked by Adweek readers as 2011's "Best Sports Media Brand."[

 

That has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of their rankings. I could go post some rankings at B/R and none of you would ever know. Becoming a writer there is really not that hard.

 

It's incredible how far people will go to defend something clearly incorrect.

[User Name]

By the way, as ORS previously posted, part of the bleacherreport post were copy-pastes from Sickel's reports. FYI.

[FredLynn]

By the way' date=' as ORS previously posted, part of the bleacherreport post were copy-pastes from Sickel's reports. FYI.[/quote']

 

No ranking that I have seen puts our farm system higher than #10. Most are in the middle third. I didn't make up those numbers. Maybe you can find a couple of rankings that place us higher to support your position.

[Muggah]

None of the rankings place them in the upper eschelon.

 

Why would anyone expect them to rank them in the upper echelon when they clearly aren't?

 

Oops...wait a minute...no need to answer that.

[a700hitter]

Red Sox GM Ben Cherington addressed his club's shortstop situation today, according to the Associated Press: "[W]e feel good about the mix that we have, and we'll certainly keep our eyes open if there are ways to improve that. But right now we're focused on the guys we have." The current starting candidates are Nick Punto, Mike Aviles and, less likely, Jose Iglesias.

What he was thinking when he said that:

 

I messed up by salary dumping my starting SS without having a starting pitching move lined up. I really thought Oswalt would take the $5 million offer. I was trying to show JH that I was exercising fiscal restraint, and now I don't have a starting SS or a number 5 pitcher. Hopefully, this latest in a series of ridiculous statements that I am comfortable with the team's deficiencies will keep people off my back for a while

[Muggah]

That has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of their rankings. I could go post some rankings at B/R and none of you would ever know. Becoming a writer there is really not that hard.

 

It's incredible how far people will go to defend something clearly incorrect.

 

 

You see any irony in that statement coming from you?

[Elktonnick]

Why would anyone expect them to rank them in the upper echelon when they clearly aren't?

 

Oops...wait a minute...no need to answer that.

 

I believe Baseball America had them ranked 17th but their current ranking isnt out yet. If it it is I haven't seen it.

[a700hitter]

I believe Baseball America had them ranked 17th but their current ranking isnt out yet. If it it is I haven't seen it.

Baseball America? Hah! Who are they? Just more baseless opinion.

[User Name]

You see any irony in that statement coming from you?

 

Right, mr "my opinion is fact". The only irony here stems from you calling out anyone on anything.

 

For the record, if we're going to take Bleacher Report as a credible source, here's a Bleacher Report article that ranks them in the top 10:

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1057599-power-ranking-the-best-farm-systems-in-mlb/page/11

 

Backpedaling in.....

[Elktonnick]

You see any irony in that statement coming from you?

 

Muggah I ignore everything coming from that unreliable source, and I am not referring to Bleacher Report

[Muggah]

I believe Baseball America had them ranked 17th but their current ranking isnt out yet. If it it is I haven't seen it.

 

I haven't either. But from what I've read here I fully expect them to have made that jump into the top 5. (wink)

[User Name]

Baseball America? Hah! Who are they? Just more baseless opinion.

 

You mean the rankings that aren't out yet? No s***, Sherlock!

[FredLynn]

Why would anyone expect them to rank them in the upper echelon when they clearly aren't?

 

Oops...wait a minute...no need to answer that.

 

I think those ranking numbers are pretty accurate. Perhaps once some of the guys in AA mature, if they mature, we will improve our position. Its particularly concerning that we don't have pitchers who are in a good position.

[Muggah]

Muggah I ignore everything coming from that unreliable source' date=' and I am not referring to Bleacher Report[/quote']

 

Well, you know everything has value. I enjoy reading his stuff in the same way I do reading The Onion.

[User Name]

I think those ranking numbers are pretty accurate. Perhaps once some of the guys in AA mature' date=' if they mature, we will improve our position. Its particularly concerning that we don't have pitchers who are in a good position.[/quote']

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1057599-power-ranking-the-best-farm-systems-in-mlb/page/11

 

So is the above realible?

 

It's from bleacher report, and it's more recent. Top 10 Farm System!

[Elktonnick]

Well' date=' you know everything has value. I enjoy reading his stuff in the same way I do reading The Onion.[/quote']

 

The Onion is funny on purpose.

[User Name]

Personal attacks: The last resort of those without a viable argument.

 

According to Bleacher Report: TOP 10 FARM SYSTEM!

[Johnny]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1057599-power-ranking-the-best-farm-systems-in-mlb/page/11

 

So is the above realible?

 

It's from bleacher report, and it's more recent. Top 10 Farm System!

 

not anymore

[Muggah]

The Onion is funny on purpose.

 

Are you telling me he isn't? WTF!

[FredLynn]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1057599-power-ranking-the-best-farm-systems-in-mlb/page/11

 

So is the above realible?

 

It's from bleacher report, and it's more recent. Top 10 Farm System!

 

Sure. I already mentioned that one source has them at #10. Another, from ESPN, places them at #18.

[FredLynn]

not anymore

 

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