2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[FredLynn]

I would say that they have clearly acknowledged that they have been looking to get another starting pitcher-at the right price. I see no misleading or confusion on that point.

 

Thats not my recollection. In fact, I remember Cherington saying that they do not anticipate adding another pitcher before ST starts. And I recall multiple statements about how much they like the current team.

I agree that winning is much more important than telling the truth. All I am saying is that the truth would be refreshing sometimes.

[VA Sox Fan]

Just asking you what your perceptions are about the reasons it was shut down.

 

My impressions were that the Mods regretted starting the Anything Goes section and decided to shut it down because some folkes were getting out of hand. Especially when politics were discussed.

[Bellhorn04]

Thats not my recollection. In fact, I remember Cherington saying that they do not anticipate adding another pitcher before ST starts. And I recall multiple statements about how much they like the current team.

I agree that winning is much more important than telling the truth. All I am saying is that the truth would be refreshing sometimes.

 

I believe Cherington said that because prospects of signing Oswalt or other targets at the price they wanted to weren't looking very good.

[FredLynn]

My impressions were that the Mods regretted starting the Anything Goes section and decided to shut it down because some folkes were getting out of hand. Especially when politics were discussed.

 

Do you think it had anything to do with the tenor of the complaints of poster vs poster? I wasn't here then.

It seems to me that at times that sort of post IS out of hand here. Maybe there should be a home for it, one that posters who do not want to read that kind of stuff can just avoid, but one where complaints about posters can be registered without restriction. People who like it can go there; those who do not can stay out.

[FredLynn]

I believe Cherington said that because prospects of signing Oswalt or other targets at the price they wanted to weren't looking very good.

 

Here is the quote (from Feb 2):

 

WORCESTER, Mass. -- The Red Sox are "unlikely" to add another starting pitcher before Spring Training, general manager Ben Cherington said Wednesday night.

 

Roy Oswalt, perhaps the biggest name left on the free-agent market, met with Rangers brass on Monday. He and Edwin Jackson had been repeatedly tied to the Sox. Jackson agreed to a one-year contract with Washington on Thursday.

[Emmz]

Umm...have you or Bellhorn actually MET Muggah?

I have.

He has quite a life story to tell. And he is as fervent a fan as there is on this board. He wants wins as much as anyone here. Like everyone else, he has a particular way that he posts-and he is free to continue doing that. Isn't he?

 

That applies how? The guy's impossible to like. He just sounds like some bitter old baby boomer who thinks everyone who doesnt agree with him is a "rumpswab".

[iortiz]

I really do look at the stats to confirm my opinion' date=' but i am too lazy to put them in the posts. I spend too much time at this as it is. If I started adding spreadsheets etc. increasing my time here, my wife would divorce me and I'd lose my job, and I'm not sure in what order those things would happen.[/quote']

 

 

I know my friend... I was just trying to joke with E1....

 

This offseason has been very quiet/slow reason why I think that it has driven some of us to discuss/analyze some things over and over and discuss some things that are worthless. The good thing is that ST is around the corner. Can't wait.

[VA Sox Fan]

Do you think it had anything to do with the tenor of the complaints of poster vs poster? I wasn't here then.

It seems to me that at times that sort of post IS out of hand here. Maybe there should be a home for it, one that posters who do not want to read that kind of stuff can just avoid, but one where complaints about posters can be registered without restriction. People who like it can go there; those who do not can stay out.

 

Some poster vs poster stuff. If I recall correctly, it came down to heated political discussions and political incorrectness.

 

I think what some people consider attacks are considered by others as disagreeing.

 

It hadn't been too bad. It has gotten worse the past few months. It's kinda become the pessimists/'realists' vs the optimistic/'realists'.

[Emmz]

Do you think it had anything to do with the tenor of the complaints of poster vs poster? I wasn't here then.

It seems to me that at times that sort of post IS out of hand here. Maybe there should be a home for it, one that posters who do not want to read that kind of stuff can just avoid, but one where complaints about posters can be registered without restriction. People who like it can go there; those who do not can stay out.

 

Same as any other board. It's just the way it goes, everyone takes everything personally online. It's the reason why trolling exists.

[a700hitter]

That applies how? The guy's impossible to like. He just sounds like some bitter old baby boomer who thinks everyone who doesnt agree with him is a "rumpswab".

There are plenty of unlikeable posters here. I don't think that should be the standard to be followed with regard to justifying insults or attacks.

[a700hitter]

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I know my friend... I was just trying to joke with E1....

 

This offseason has been very quiet/slow reason why I think that it has driven some of us to discuss/analyze some things over and over and discuss some things that are worthless. The good thing is that the ST is around the corner. Can't wait.

These slow news days are killing me. Let's get on with the season.

[Muggah]

The disturbing thing isn't that they are lying. Team ownership always spins the story to the fans. What is bothersome' date=' is that they can't seem to come up with a coordinated consistent story/narrative to push in the press.[/quote']

 

 

"What is bothersome, is that they can't seem to come up with a coordinated consistent story/narrative to push in the press."

 

My sentiment exactly, 700. Embellished spin is par for the course, but I don't recall a single instance in this off-season where I've felt as though these guys are all on the same page. In fact the closer we get to ST the more confusion there seems to be among them.

[FredLynn]

That applies how? The guy's impossible to like. He just sounds like some bitter old baby boomer who thinks everyone who doesnt agree with him is a "rumpswab".

 

Here is how it applies: while you can make valid judgements about how a poster writes here, you cannot make valid judgements about what kind of person he or she is outside of here, nor can you accurately assess the level of his or her intelligence. Therefore, it makes a lot more sense to me to complain about his posts rather than calling him an "idiot". He isn't.

[Emmz]

There are plenty of unlikeable posters here. I don't think that should be the standard to be followed with regard to justifying insults or attacks.

 

I don't, he insults everyone, and that's why he gets it back in return.

[FredLynn]

Some poster vs poster stuff. If I recall correctly, it came down to heated political discussions and political incorrectness.

 

I think what some people consider attacks are considered by others as disagreeing.

 

It hadn't been too bad. It has gotten worse the past few months. It's kinda become the pessimists/'realists' vs the optimistic/'realists'.

 

I guess what I am saying is that if part of the reason that thread was shut down was a lack of respect on the part of one poster for another and the resulting insults, why should that not be OK there, but its OK here? Wouldn't it make more sense to complain about a POST and not a POSTER?

Just a thought. Probably wishful thinking.

[Emmz]

Here is how it applies: while you can make valid judgements about how a poster writes here' date=' you cannot make valid judgements about what kind of person he or she is outside of here, nor can you accurately assess the level of his or her intelligence. Therefore, it makes a lot more sense to me to complain about his posts rather than calling him an "idiot". He isn't.[/quote']

 

Cool, but if he can make guesses about my life, I'm going to do the same thing. You should expect nothing less. You make it seem like he's just a person with a different POV and that's why people can't stand him.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

It's real nice that you and Fred and Muggah all know each other outside of the message boards, it doesn't matter to the rest of us.

 

All we know is what we read out here. Bellhorn was spot on about Muggah after that post.

 

Don't they all know each other? You say something about one and they all tell you s*** you don't care about. Sorry guys, I kind of don't care how old you are, how many times you went to spring training etc.

[Palodios]

Do you think it had anything to do with the tenor of the complaints of poster vs poster? I wasn't here then.

It seems to me that at times that sort of post IS out of hand here. Maybe there should be a home for it, one that posters who do not want to read that kind of stuff can just avoid, but one where complaints about posters can be registered without restriction. People who like it can go there; those who do not can stay out.

 

I would suspect that the problem is that if a good number of the posters who post here, post there as well, it spills over. There is a very tight community here, and the regulars generally know eachother fairly well. You'll notice that there are vendettas started... Fred gets bashed for his days as a Dodger fan, and a700 and E1 very often disagree about the quality of the front office/GM/success of the organization. It happens.

 

I have had many heated discussions with some of the best posters around here, and I would imagine that the kind of freedom you're hoping for would cause more problems than it would solve--especially considering many arguments ARE simply about baseball, and need no further conflict.

[Emmz]

I guess what I am saying is that if part of the reason that thread was shut down was a lack of respect on the part of one poster for another and the resulting insults, why should that not be OK there, but its OK here? Wouldn't it make more sense to complain about a POST and not a POSTER?

Just a thought. Probably wishful thinking.

 

It's human nature to get bent out of shape when strangers criticize your POV or your opinions.

[a700hitter]

Here is how it applies: while you can make valid judgements about how a poster writes here' date=' you cannot make valid judgements about what kind of person he or she is outside of here, nor can you accurately assess the level of his or her intelligence. Therefore, it makes a lot more sense to me to complain about his posts rather than calling him an "idiot". He isn't.[/quote']The people that hurl the insults and claim that people shouldn't take it personally because it is just the internet somehow feel compelled and justified in characterizing posters as certain kinds of people. If it is not meant to be personal, what is with the personal characterizations? That's hypocritical.

[VA Sox Fan]

I guess what I am saying is that if part of the reason that thread was shut down was a lack of respect on the part of one poster for another and the resulting insults, why should that not be OK there, but its OK here? Wouldn't it make more sense to complain about a POST and not a POSTER?

Just a thought. Probably wishful thinking.

 

Yes it is.

[FredLynn]

Cool' date=' but if he can make guesses about my life, I'm going to do the same thing. You should expect nothing less. You make it seem like he's just a person with a different POV and that's why people can't stand him.[/quote']

 

I made no attempt, if you notice, to justify ANYONE'S assumptions about YOUR life outside of here. Thats equally in poor taste IMO, and if it were persistent, I would not hesitate to get on THAT poster's ass too. I remember a while ago 700 and I think it was ORS getting into it here, and I suggested they take it to the pm route.

[FredLynn]

It's human nature to get bent out of shape when strangers criticize your POV or your opinions.

 

Its also MATURE not to label the individual you are disagree with as "an idiot".

[a700hitter]

I don't' date=' he insults everyone, and that's why he gets it back in return.[/quote']If someone gets insulted, they should feel free to return the favor. I don't think people should engage in a free for all, because they don't like someone.

[VA Sox Fan]

I would suspect that the problem is that if a good number of the posters who post here' date=' post there as well, it spills over. [b']There is a very tight community here, and the regulars generally know eachother fairly well[/b]. You'll notice that there are vendettas started... Fred gets bashed for his days as a Dodger fan, and a700 and E1 very often disagree about the quality of the front office/GM/success of the organization. It happens.

 

I have had many heated discussions with some of the best posters around here, and I would imagine that the kind of freedom you're hoping for would cause more problems than it would solve--especially considering many arguments ARE simply about baseball, and need no further conflict.

 

We have been a very tight community. Until recently. Good post.

[Emmz]

The people that hurl the insults and claim that people shouldn't take it personally because it is just the internet somehow feel compelled and justified in characterizing posters as certain kinds of people. If it is not meant to be personal' date=' what is with the personal characterizations? That's hypocritical.[/quote']

 

Thats how it goes. One person who hurls around insults regularly has open season on them.

[a700hitter]

Thats how it goes. One person who hurls around insults regularly has open season on them.

If it was limited to that, it wouldn't be a problem. Differences of opinion about issues are too often all it takes for open season.

[yeszir]

Shouldn't this line of discussion not be in the Red Sox -- Off Season thread?:dunno:

 

Answer: yes.

[VA Sox Fan]

I made no attempt' date=' if you notice, to justify ANYONE'S assumptions about YOUR life outside of here. Thats equally in poor taste IMO, and if it were persistent, I would not hesitate to get on THAT poster's ass too.[b'] I remember a while ago 700 and I think it was ORS getting into it here, and I suggested they take it to the pm route.[/b]

 

They always have gotten into it out here. Some of us take exception to a newer poster making that type of suggestion when that's just how it is out here, like it or not.

[Emmz]

If someone gets insulted' date=' they should feel free to return the favor. I don't think people should engage in a free for all, because they don't like someone.[/quote']

 

Agree with that, and no one's doing that.