What I'll say in Andrew Miller's defense

[Dojji]

Before this year Andrew Miller wasn't a guy you even dared give the ball. Year by year his season lines were beyond wretched. He's only had one year in the past where he was even halfway tolerable and he was completely dead in the water last year.

 

As bad as he's looked recently, this is still progress for him. I wouldn't call him a good pitcher, but he's at a level where he's mixing some tolerable to decent starts in, and you can ask the question -- well, what do you expect out of a guy who's 7th in the starter depth? He's a bad major leaguer but a major leaguer.

 

I hope the Red Sox work with Miller for maybe another year or two. I don't think he'll be an ace at any point, but he's drifting gradually in the general direction of adequacy, and as a depth option, he's a guy you could get lucky on for a few starts to replace an injury, which is all you need to get out of the guy for what we're paying him. It is frustrating though, because even where he sucks you can see how he could be overpowering if he could just find the freaking zone. But he's what he is, and we can still get use out of him.

[AtWork]

I've been saying this from the beginning - he sucks.

[a700hitter]

Hmmm, what could I say positive about Miller? Ummmm.... he's tall.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

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[Dojji]

Well there's the "our 5th starter should be an ace" caucus heard from.

 

Kid's a replacement that we signed as an MLFA and he has a winning record. It doesn't look pretty, but he's doing fairly well.

[AtWork]

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[jacksonianmarch]

He'll got to the pen and get 5 appearances before they make a judgement. His stuff at times is overpowering, but his location is maddening (or delightful if you are not a fan). You dont DFA his talent without seeing how he can be as a reliever

[SoxSport]

He's gone from mediocre to bad. Time to get back to that pitching coach in Pawtucket.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well there's the "our 5th starter should be an ace" caucus heard from.

 

How about the caucous of "Your 5th starter shouldnt have a WHIP of 1.87"

[jacksonianmarch]

He's gone from mediocre to bad. Time to get back to that pitching coach in Pawtucket.

 

I dont know if they can option him back, I think they have to expose him to waivers.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

He'll got to the pen and get 5 appearances before they make a judgement. His stuff at times is overpowering' date=' but his location is maddening (or delightful if you are not a fan). [b']You dont DFA his talent without seeing how he can be as a reliever[/b]

 

I want to make it clear I wasn't serious but that could have been hard to pick up. I do however don't think he needs to be a starter on the Red Sox.

[Dojji]

How about the caucous of "Your 5th starter shouldnt have a WHIP of 1.87"

 

Interesting, considering Miller's our 7th starter I'm not sure I see the point to your statement though.

[Dojji]

I want to make it clear I wasn't serious but that could have been hard to pick up. I do however don't think he needs to be a starter on the Red Sox.

 

I actually agree with this. The Sox brought him up to pitch replacement innings, and replacement innings is just about what he pitched. I don't think you're going to get that much more out of him in terms of positive production. He's not a guy with the consistency to keep pitching indefinitely in a rotation.

 

I think that you have to give him some credit considering we brought him in as a MLFA and he's got a winning record. But people are probably eyeing that ancient-history top overall pick and still trying to hold the kid to that standard, and by that standard he's been wretched.

[jacksonianmarch]

Interesting' date=' considering Miller's our 7th starter I'm not sure I see the point to your statement though.[/quote']

 

If Miller is your 7th starter, then why is he still in the rotation with Lester back? He is your #6 starter as of right now, as you can no longer think of DiceK as a viable rotation candidate. When Buch comes back, he goes to the pen. But I think he gets removed from that role before then

[a700hitter]

He's very tall.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

He's very tall.

 

Lmao.

[Dojji]

If Miller is your 7th starter' date=' then why is he still in the rotation with Lester back? He is your #6 starter as of right now, as you can no longer think of DiceK as a viable rotation candidate. When Buch comes back, he goes to the pen. But I think he gets removed from that role before then[/quote']

It didn't take you long to forget about Daisuke, did it?

 

Actually opening day depth had Miller 8th on the list

 

Lester

Beckett

Buchholz

Lackey

Daisuke

Wakefield

Doubront

Miller

[jacksonianmarch]

And now he's 6th, which is all that matters

[Dojji]

Nope. The players that were hurt ahead of him don't disappear off the depth chart that way. He's the 7th or 8th guy. He just happens to be in the majors at the moment because of injuries ahead of him.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nope. The players that were hurt ahead of him don't disappear off the depth chart that way. He's the 7th or 8th guy. He just happens to be in the majors at the moment because of injuries ahead of him.

 

you arent on the depth chart if you cannot play for the rest of the season

[Dojji]

They are in the sense I'm using here because we're talking about what a guy was signed to be.

[jacksonianmarch]

This is all semantics and Dojji logic. Nobody care about DiceK right now. Miller is in your starting rotation right now. Thats the point

[Dojji]

And the point is, he was never supposed to be. He was brought in as insurance, and MLFA signed for depth, and depth is what he's provided. That's a good thing.

[jacksonianmarch]

And the point is' date=' he was never supposed to be. He was brought in as insurance, and MLFA signed for depth, and depth is what he's provided. That's a good thing.[/quote']

 

A juggs gun and Robinson Cano's dad are also on the depth chart, right?

[Dojji]

Well you oughta know, because the Yankees are considering calling them up.

 

Seriously, where do you get off poking fun at our depth? What do the Yankees have other than CC?

 

Oh yeah and how's that surefire ace Phil Hughes doin eh? Remember when he was "better than Buchholz?"

 

You really think you want to go poking at anyone else's rotation when Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia are in your freaking playoff rotation???

[a700hitter]

Miller is not depth unless you are measuring the depth of a pile of s***.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well you oughta know, because the Yankees are considering calling them up.

 

Seriously, where do you get off poking fun at our depth? What do the Yankees have other than CC?

 

Oh yeah and how's that surefire ace Phil Hughes doin eh? Remember when he was "better than Buchholz?"

 

You really think you want to go poking at anyone else's rotation when Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia are in your freaking playoff rotation???

 

This isnt about the Yankees there captain. I'm just poking canyon sized holes into your s***** logic.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Miller is not depth unless you are measuring the depth of a pile of s***.

 

Man you guys are on point today.

[iortiz]

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+1 or send him to a team where he can get fun like the Nats or the Astros.

 

Seriously he doesn't even throw strikes he is ball,ball,ball,ball,HR,HR,ball,ball....

[mvp 78]

Miller is not depth unless you are measuring the depth of a pile of s***.

 

I don't get the point of this thread. "In defense of Andrew Miller, he was supposed to suck anyway."

 

He's crap. It's Millwood time. Might as well throw the biggest pile of crap out there.