2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[a700hitter]

Buch isn't going to get checked till Monday!? Geeze. Fly him out to LA now, jesus.

 

 

 

 

Except you can't really put Buchholz in that lineup. His return is way up in the air right now. Sub-out Buchholz for who? Wake? Weiland?

If it is CC, Ubaldo, Burnett and Colon vs. Becket, Lester, Lackey and Wakefield, that is a different story.

[yankees228]

I can't speak for other posters' date=' but I certainly wasn't laughing at the Yankees chances. They may be the second best team in baseball. I was simply laughing at the idea that an impact starter is magically going to emerge from their rotation when in reality members of their rotation are more likely to regress. I'm looking at you Colon and Garcia.[/quote']

 

Right that's fair. It was directed more at BornToRun and SFFS than anyone else.

[a700hitter]

Theo has to keep Ubaldo from the Yanks.

 

Becket, Lester, Buchholz, Ubaldo and lackey would be pretty hard to beat. If Buch can't go, it would still be real good.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If it is CC' date=' Ubaldo, Burnett and Colon vs. Becket, Lester, Lackey and Wakefield, that is a different story.[/quote']

 

True, but that's the absolute worst case scenario.

 

A more probably scenario will be CC - Kuroda - Burnett - Colon vs Beckett - Lester - Buchholz - Bedard, or Bedard - Lackey. Either way, I like the chances there.

[a700hitter]

I definitely agree about Ubaldo. Without him their definitely behind the Red Sox. As for the bullpen' date=' if Soriano comes back strong I'm not sure that's necessary ... but they won't know what kind of shape he's in until after the deadline.[/quote']I wasn't assuming that Soriano wouldn't come back, but they need to add someone to the existing bullpen.

[SoxFanForsyth]

FWIW, I was laughing at Jackso mentioning that the Yankees answer could be in their rotation right now (Hughes).

[yankees228]

FWIW' date=' I was laughing at Jackso mentioning that the Yankees answer could be in their rotation right now (Hughes).[/quote']

 

Fair enough ... if that's what he was referring to, then I agree that it's laughable.

[yankees228]

But there's a bit of a theme among some on this site that the Yankees just aren't very good just because they're getting some unexpected production from members of their starting staff.

[SoxFanForsyth]

But there's a bit of a theme among some on this site that the Yankees just aren't very good just because they're getting some unexpected production from members of their starting staff.

 

To be fair, Colon hasn't thrown over 100 innings in 5 years, and he can't get off the mound to field a bunt or cover 1st base and Garcia gets torched by teams that can hit. To expect the same kind of production out of Colon and Garcia throughout the remaining 12 starts each is pretty optimistic. Not to mention Hughes...

[yankees228]

I wasn't assuming that Soriano wouldn't come back' date=' but they need to add someone to the existing bullpen.[/quote']

 

If Soriano comes back strong, him, Robertson, and Rivera is as good a back end of the pen as there is in baseball. Throw in Boone Logan and Cory Wade and they've got a pretty solid bunch.

[yankees228]

To be fair' date=' Colon hasn't thrown over 100 innings in 5 years, and he can't get off the mound to field a bunt or cover 1st base and Garcia gets torched by teams that can hit. To expect the same kind of production out of Colon and Garcia throughout the remaining 12 starts each is pretty optimistic. Not to mention Hughes...[/quote']

 

I admit that Colon regressing is a definite possibility, but people have been saying this every month since May. He had a bit of a rough patch, but he seems to have gotten past that. There has to come a point where Colon sustaining his production is more likely than him having some sort of significant regression.

 

As for Garcia, that's really just the Red Sox and the Blue Jays ... he has pitched pretty well against everyone else.

 

But I completely agree that Hughes sucks, which is why they need another starter.

[AtWork]

But there's a bit of a theme among some on this site that the Yankees just aren't very good just because they're getting some unexpected production from members of their starting staff.

 

The fact that Freddy Garcia's overachieving (his BABIP is .075 points lower than it should be based on his line drive rate), Hughes doesn't look like he's improved at all and the Yankees most valuable player prior to the All-Star break is out for the majority of the second half doesn't make them a very scary team right now. What they look like in October may be a different story.

[yankees228]

The fact that Freddy Garcia's overachieving (his BABIP is .075 points lower than it should be based on his line drive rate)' date=' Hughes doesn't look like he's improved at all and the Yankees most valuable player prior to the All-Star break is out for the majority of the second half doesn't make them a very scary team right now. What they look like in October may be a different story.[/quote']

 

They've done a pretty good job so far without A-Rod ... and he could be back as soon as two and a half weeks from now. But I do agree that they need another starter if they want to go deep in the playoffs.

[AtWork]

They've done a pretty good job so far without A-Rod ... and he could be back as soon as two and a half weeks from now. But I do agree that they need another starter if they want to go deep in the playoffs.

 

Yes they have. It's possible that they don't miss a beat with him on the DL for a month and a half but it's unlikely.

[AtWork]

The Yankees made multiple calls to the Dodgers today on Kuroda, tweets Ken Rosenthal.

There is a wide gap between the Dodgers' asking price and what teams are willing to pay, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney.

Rival teams say the Dodgers want a young starting pitcher or a catcher who’s close to the Major Leagues for Kuroda, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark.

[jacksonianmarch]

They've done a pretty good job so far without A-Rod ... and he could be back as soon as two and a half weeks from now. But I do agree that they need another starter if they want to go deep in the playoffs.

 

They've done a great job without ARod, who was having a bounceback season prior to his injury. Since the ASB, they are 8-6, but they've gone from 5 games up in the L column for the WC to 7. They get Soriano back tonight, so we'll see what he has to offer, and we should see ARod starting a rehab within a week or so. He should be back in the bigs the second week of August.

[Palodios]

A young catcher or a starting pitcher? Sounds like significantly smaller demands than the Rockies/Mariners.

[AtWork]

The Yankees have made no calls to the Rockies thus far today, tweets Ken Rosenthal.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont see the Yankees getting Ubaldo. They are concerned about the velo drop and that his control will likely render him a 6 inning pitcher in the AL East at most. While he would be an upgrade, they dont feel he's worth the cost of obtaining him. If the cost is Montero plus Banuelos, then I agree. I'd give up one of those guys as a top of the package, but wouldnt include both

[redsoxbeatz]

It's all gonna happen in the next 48-hours and probably in the last 5 of those 48.

[SoxSport]

Rosenthal's a very good reporter, but how does he know the Yankees made no calls to the Rockies today?

Isn't he from Fox? I wouldn't like to think ML phone lines are being tapped.

[SoxSport]

This thing seems to be down to Bedard, Harden or Jiminez. At least 2 of those 3 will be dealt.

The question is who gets them. You know Seattle and Oakland are overvaluing their guys--playing the market.

 

I hope Hunter Pence hasn't escaped their radar. The Phillies look like they are locked in on him.

[SoxSport]

To be fair' date=' Colon hasn't thrown over 100 innings in 5 years, and he can't get off the mound to field a bunt or cover 1st base and Garcia gets torched by teams that can hit. To expect the same kind of production out of Colon and Garcia throughout the remaining 12 starts each is pretty optimistic. Not to mention Hughes...[/quote']

 

The Yankees know they are living on borrowed time with Colon and Garcia. Though Colon is known to be using something for his ailments that is borderline--that may be helping his pitching.

What hurts them is that Hughes has regressed.

[AtWork]

The Yankees rotation is a lot like ours. They have 2 top of the rotation starters and a lot of filler. Garcia is getting good results right now but all of his peripherals suggest he's been extremely lucky. He has a major league worst 25.7% line drive rate and a BABIP below .300. Not to mention his HR/FB rate is about half his career average which doesn't mesh with the fact that he's pitching in the new Yankee Stadium. But they don't have an offense that goes out and scores 10 runs when their starter gives up 7.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees rotation is a lot like ours. They have 2 top of the rotation starters and a lot of filler. Garcia is getting good results right now but all of his peripherals suggest he's been extremely lucky. He has a major league worst 25.7% line drive rate and a BABIP below .300. Not to mention his HR/FB rate is about half his career average which doesn't mesh with the fact that he's pitching in the new Yankee Stadium. But they don't have an offense that goes out and scores 10 runs when their starter gives up 7.

 

Garcia's BABIP is above MLB average and sits at .302. His LD% is up, but his BABIP isnt, so try and give accurate info

[redsoxbeatz]

The Yankees rotation is a lot like ours. They have 2 top of the rotation starters and a lot of filler. Garcia is getting good results right now but all of his peripherals suggest he's been extremely lucky. He has a major league worst 25.7% line drive rate and a BABIP below .300. Not to mention his HR/FB rate is about half his career average which doesn't mesh with the fact that he's pitching in the new Yankee Stadium. But they don't have an offense that goes out and scores 10 runs when their starter gives up 7.

 

Where do you find stats like that? Baseball-Reference?

[Divinity]

Over the last 30 years' date=' only 13% of teams that won 100+ games went on to represent their league in the World Series. That is an indisputable fact. If we want to get to the World Series, we need to start losing games![/quote']

 

That's misleading, some divisions are a lot harder to win in than others.

[AtWork]

Where do you find stats like that? Baseball-Reference?

 

Fangraphs. Here's the page for Freddy Garcia which shows he has a 25.7% linedrive rate, a .295 BABIP and an xFIP of 4.12 which baseball means his ERA would be above 4 if you normalized his home run rates to 10.5% of his fly balls which is actually below his career average.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1077&position=P

 

Colon's peripherals are actually pretty solid but Garcia's suggest he's been one of the luckiest pitchers in baseball this year.

[AtWork]

That's misleading' date=' some divisions are a lot harder to win in than others.[/quote']

 

It was also a joke.

[example1]

I dont see the Yankees getting Ubaldo. They are concerned about the velo drop and that his control will likely render him a 6 inning pitcher in the AL East at most. While he would be an upgrade' date=' they dont feel he's worth the cost of obtaining him. If the cost is Montero plus Banuelos, then I agree. I'd give up one of those guys as a top of the package, but wouldnt include both[/quote']

 

Watching his recent highlights on MLB.com I see a guy who is pretty consistently sitting at 95 and occasionally hitting 97. His velocity may have dropped a bit, but it doesn't appear to be a significant structural problem. He looks strong.

 

If I were the Yankees and being asked to give up Montero and some of the B's I probably would be worried about it too. If I'm the Sox and asked to move Middlebrooks and Weiland and another kid, I would be less worried. Adding Ubaldo as the Sox #3 or #4 is much safer than adding him as your #2. Less risk.