2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[Dojji]

Stay the heck away from QQuentin unless you're going to DH him. That two years of consecutive subzero WAR in 09 and 10 just screams huge backfire potential.

[iortiz]

If it is Bedard, Quentin, Furcal or names like that I would stay as we are now.

[Dojji]

Furcal could help us on both sides of the ball. Other than him, I'd stay put unless you can make a radical improvement.

[Meh]

That'd be nice. Grab Kuroda for the stretch run and then grab Felix in the offseason. We'll be winning the division for the next f***ing decade

 

They wanted Nova and Montero/Romine... what do you think they're going to ask for from you guys.. Scutty and lackey?

[AtWork]

They wanted Nova and Montero/Romine... what do you think they're going to ask for from you guys.. Scutty and lackey?

 

Weiland and Lavarnway? Nova really isn't anything special, he allowed more hits than IP and had a WHIP of 1.36 in the minors.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Weiland and Lavarnway? Nova really isn't anything special' date=' he allowed more hits than IP and had a WHIP of 1.36 in the minors.[/quote']

 

A lot of Yankee fans severely overvalue Nova.

[Dojji]

Be very, very wary of any prospect NYY is willing to trade. Not one of them has panned out properly in a very long time, I think the last guy to do anything meaningful was Marcus Thames.

 

The Yankee development tree has far fewer successful branches than the Red Sox tree does at the moment. Not that Boston is any great shakes either but we do have successful players like David Murphy and Justin Masterson out there. What does NYY have? Pretty much Alfredo Aceves and Dioner Navarro. It's just not good business to do trades there.

[AtWork]

Be very' date=' very wary of any prospect NYY is willing to trade. Not one of them has panned out properly in a very long time, I think the last guy to do anything meaningful was Marcus Thames.[/quote']

 

Jeff Karsten, Ian Kennedy, Daniel McCutchen?

[iortiz]

Looking at Furcal's these days numbers sound like Cameron, Drew, Dunn etc. move; great career numbers but far to be a quickhit, of course offensively .

[Dojji]

I'd forgotten that McCutchen was a former Yankee prospect.

 

I honestly haven't followed Karstens or Kennedy, but the last time I looked at either I was underwhelmed.

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EDIT: Yeah, Kennedy's doing well -- out in the NL West, home of the biggest ballparks in baseball, while Masterson dominates a bandbox in the NL Central. I do give him full marks for doing the job he's paid to do in Arizona though, and I admit I underestimated him.

 

I make no similar apology on the subject of Karstens. That's an illusion if ever there was one. He's a competent bottom of the rotation type, but this year is all BABIP.

[AtWork]

I'd forgotten that McCutchen was a former Yankee prospect.

 

I honestly haven't followed Karstens or Kennedy, but the last time I looked at either I was underwhelmed.

 

Karstens is 3rd in the NL in ERA (2.41) and 4th in WHIP (1.07). Kennedy has a 3.22 ERA and a 1.12 on 148 innings this year.

[AtWork]

So when a Yankees prospect does bad you say, "nothing ever good comes out of their farm system." And when a Yankees prospect does tremendously you say, "it's an allusion." Don't you think you're being a bit... homerish?

[Meh]

Weiland and Lavarnway? Nova really isn't anything special' date=' he allowed more hits than IP and had a WHIP of 1.36 in the minors.[/quote']

 

lol I'm not a Nova fan, but I wouldn't exactly call him and Weiland the same. Hopefully you're comparing that package with Nova and Romine though and not Nova and Montero.

[Dojji]

So when a Yankees prospect does bad you say' date=' "nothing ever good comes out of their farm system." And when a Yankees prospect does tremendously you say, "it's an allusion." Don't you think you're being a bit... homerish?[/quote']

 

Define "doing well." Karstens is a mediocre pitcher having a year for himself, but he's not that guy longterm. Look no further than his BABIP and strikeout rate. No one pitches to contact as much as Karstens does without getting blown up fairly regularly -- it's the hazard of his pitching style -- and that just hasn't happened to him this year. I'd consider him about a comp to Andy Sonnanstine in terms of what he's out there trying to do, and he's definitely benefitting from doing it in the weakest division of the weaker league.

 

I'll take my lumps on Ian Kennedy, forgot about him completely and shouldn't have, but this joker will revert to form.

[AtWork]

lol I'm not a Nova fan' date=' but I wouldn't exactly call him and Weiland the same. Hopefully you're comparing that package with Nova and Romine though and not Nova and Montero.[/quote']

 

 

Weiland (24) - 3.40 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 7.28 H/9, 3.40 BB/9, 8.66 K/9

Nova (24) - 3.79 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 9.33 H/9, 2.94 BB/9, 6.42 K/9

 

How is Weiland not the better pitcher?

[Dojji]

Because the Yankee rotation is crap so Yanks fans have rested their hopes on Novoa, while we treat Weiland like a throwaway piece because of our superior depth.

 

Weiland is vastly underrated on this forum as a pitching prospect. He throws in the mid 90'[s and his offspeed stuff is good enough to offset that fastball. If he can just improve his command of that fastball a bit, he could be a winner for us. People like to mentally relegate him to the pen, but they did the same thing to Justin Masterson, and look how that panned out. People like to make safe predictions. Saves them from the horror of Being Wrong. I don't see any particular reason why Weiland can't crack the rotation if he gets his stuff together. The talent is certainly there.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Underrated? No.

[AtWork]

Because the Yankee rotation is crap so Yanks fans have rested their hopes on Novoa, while we treat Weiland like a throwaway piece because of our superior depth.

 

Weiland is vastly underrated on this forum as a pitching prospect. He throws in the mid 90'[s and his offspeed stuff is good enough to offset that fastball. If he can just improve his command of that fastball a bit, he could be a winner for us. People like to mentally relegate him to the pen, but they did the same thing to Justin Masterson, and look how that panned out. People like to make safe predictions. Saves them from the horror of Being Wrong.

 

Yankees fans laughed when Buchholz was compared to Joba. Yankees fans laughed when Lester was compared to Hughes. Now they're laughing when Weiland is compared to Nova.

 

[AtWork]

MLB Network's Peter Gammons reports that White Sox GM Kenny Williams hasn't gotten the young, left-handed bat he desires for Carlos Quentin and is expected to hang on to the outfielder.

 

Looks like it would take Reddick or Kalish. No thanks. Quentin's too much of a one dimensional player.

[Dojji]

Lefthanded bat, not lefthanded outfielder.

 

But then, I wouldn't have even given him Anderson for Carlos freaking Quentin.

[AtWork]

CHICAGO - Oakland righty Rich Harden is very much available in a deal according to a major league source, but the A's don't consider Harden a "cheap fix" for someone.

 

The Red Sox have a lot of interest in Harden and have engaged in talks with the A's for oft-injured righty. This is a situation to keep an eye on because Harden seems to fit what the Red sox want. The A's want a fair return.

 

White Sox lefty Matt Thornton could be a bullpen piece the Red Sox may have some interest in. Their lefty relief situation currently isn't the best with an erratic Franklin Morales and Randy Williams. Thornton makes $5.5 million per for the next two years and he's 34.

 

It seems unlikely now that White Sox rightfielder Carlos Quentin is moving especially now with the White Sox in the race. The Red Sox had interest in Quentin, but the price tag is huge and the Red Sox know they need to devote their resources toward pitching.

 

The Red Sox like Oakland outfielder Josh Willingham's bat, but don't think he can play right field at Fenway.

 

As we reported earlier, the Red Sox are still involved in the Erik Bedard talks. The Yankees are in it as well.

 

Yes, the Yankees and Red Sox are competing for the same players - Ubaldo Jimenez, Hiroki Kuroda, Thornton, and Bedard.

[AtWork]

Those are his stats this year at AAA. I was using is career stats.

[AtWork]

Lefthanded bat, not lefthanded outfielder.

 

But then, I wouldn't have even given him Anderson for Carlos freaking Quentin.

 

How many other lefthanded bats do we have that they'd actually be interested in? Chiang maybe?

[AtWork]

Sounds like we're focusing on Kuroda now as Jiminez is likely to stay in Colorado and the Guardians and Yankees would be the favorites if he was traded.

 

EDIT:

Red Sox-Dodgers in trade talks involving Kuroda for prospect #Trades

 

They asked the Yankees for Nova and a catching prospect so it's likely they ask us for Weiland or Lavarnway.

[Dojji]

Doesn't follow. They asked NYY for pitching or C because that's what they have in quantity. They might ask an outfielder from us. Or they might ask for Middlebrooks. Their 3B situation isn't wonderfully solid and a guy they can fast track to the bigs in the next 18mos would be valuable for them. The Yanks don't have a comp to WMB so they can't ask them for it..

[Meh]

idk I looked at Weiland stats and I saw an 8 ERA... I could be wrong maybe I got the wrong weiland. I see you guys got Aviles. Nice pick up, but why go for an INF? Lowrie done for the season?

[Meh]

Doesn't follow. They asked NYY for pitching or C because that's what they have in quantity. They might ask an outfielder from us. Or they might ask for Middlebrooks. Their 3B situation isn't wonderfully solid and a guy they can fast track to the bigs in the next 18mos would be valuable for them. The Yanks don't have a comp to WMB so they can't ask them for it..

 

Thanks for using your head buddy. Nice to see some fans who think outside the box.

[AtWork]

idk I looked at Weiland stats and I saw an 8 ERA... I could be wrong maybe I got the wrong weiland. I see you guys got Aviles. Nice pick up' date=' but why go for an INF? Lowrie done for the season?[/quote']

 

An 8.00 in 10 major league innings. Do you usually judge pitchers by 10 innings?

[AtWork]

BTW, Kuroda has a 4.67 ERA in 61.2 innings against American League teams and Jiminez has a 4.09 ERA in 79.1 innings against American League teams. SSS, but those are the numbers.

[Meh]

Do you usually judge pitchers by 10 innings?

 

Yes.

 

I honestly don't follow the Red Sox. I didn't know if he had been pitching a lot or not. I just come on this site for the Yankees minor league info and now the trade deadline thread cause I do enjoy trade rumors.