2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[iortiz]

For Jimenez I would give them (Lavarnway, Kalish, Ranaudo and Iglesias) and my neighbor's ass... Jimenez is a beast on the mound, and guess what? he is just 27. What he needs this season is fresh air, thats all.

[SoxSport]

For Jimenez I would give them (Lavarnway' date=' Kalish, Ranaudo and Iglesias) and my neighbor's ass... Jimenez is a beast on the mound, and guess what? he is just 27. What he needs this season is fresh air, thats all.[/quote']

 

won't happen. too much. Kalish and Iglesias fill two positions in the future.

[Jasonbay44]

I dont see anyway we get Jimenez.

[iortiz]

won't happen. too much. Kalish and Iglesias fill two positions in the future.

 

for that caliber I would, but hard to happen.

 

But we need a SP that's a fact.

[d-money]

I would give them Raunado, Iglesias, and another prospect and thats it.lol

[Palodios]

For Jimenez I would give them (Lavarnway' date=' Kalish, Ranaudo and Iglesias) and my neighbor's ass... Jimenez is a beast on the mound, and guess what? he is just 27. What he needs this season is fresh air, thats all.[/quote']

 

So you'd trade this club's entire future--four major league caliber guys---on a player who has had exactly one great year? This is a guy whose has feasted on the subpar teams of the NL. Take a look at his career numbers, and he's pretty mediocre against good teams. Remember last year when he had a 1.20 ERA, and came into Boston and got destroyed?

[alphilip77]

If we could come up with a package that the Dodgers liked and were granted permission to convince Kuroda to waive his no trade clause, that would be a good deal.

[AtWork]

When Beckett, Lester and Buchholz are healthy, Jiminez would be our 4th starter. It's not worth giving up all of our remaining farm system for a 4th starter who might get a start or two in the playoffs.

[iortiz]

So you'd trade this club's entire future--four major league caliber guys---on a player who has had exactly one great year? This is a guy whose has feasted on the subpar teams of the NL. Take a look at his career numbers' date=' and he's pretty mediocre against good teams. Remember last year when he had a 1.20 ERA, and came into Boston and got destroyed?[/quote']

 

The numbers are cold, He is a 3.6 ERA thus far, period!. Now...When I look at our rotation, lineup, the money that will be available next year and some prospects left like Navarro and Reddick and put it all in a balance... o yeah!... I would trade them for Ubaldo.

[d-money]

Buchholz is starting to worry me.They say he will start to pitch soon yet he is still out and its not even structural .

[AtWork]

Buchholz is starting to worry me.They say he will start to pitch soon yet he is still out and its not even structural .

 

He just threw from 120 feet. He's going to do it again over the next few days and then move to a mound if there aren't any issues.

[d-money]

Ok, well i hope he is back.Its gonna be a plus having him back.

[Spitball]

As much as I'd love to see the Sox get Jimenez, I don't think they match up well with the Rockies. They don't need Iglesias because they have the best shortstop in baseball withTroy Tulowitzki...and he is locked up long term. They don't need Reddick or Kalish because they have Carlos Gonzalez, Seth Smith, Dexter Fowler, and Ryan Spilborgh depth in the outfield. To get Jimenez, I believe they'd have to get a third team involved, and that is difficult.

[iortiz]

Buchholz is starting to worry me.They say he will start to pitch soon yet he is still out and its not even structural .

 

+1

 

That's what I'm talking about. You can't only depend on these 3 SPs. The injuries specially in SPs are always around.

 

Our QUALITY STARTS department is pathetic (46); we are ranked 26th in all baseball. We are damn "lucky" that our offense averages 6+ Rs/per game.

 

Wanna talk about ERA? we are the 16th in the neighborhood.

 

We need a damn SP!... gonna cost? of coooouuuurse he will cost!!!! the good, always!!... specially when the name of the game is pitching!

 

BTW... Ubaldo is a reality... those prospects? a promise.

 

 

Again... hard to happen, unfortunately!

[SoxSport]

I get the impression a lot of these injuries are caused because some of these guys are (or were) not in shape. Is Jenks in shape? LOL. Buchholz is skinny-it's hard to tell. Lackey? Drew? Crawford? Beckett is in shape-for sure. He had something to prove. Ellsbury, too. Plus those guys in contract years. They always seem to be in shape for the $$.

[Palodios]

The numbers are cold' date=' He is a 3.6 ERA thus far, period!. Now...When I look at our rotation, lineup, the money that will be available next year and some prospects left like Navarro and Reddick and put it all in a balance... o yeah!... I would trade them for Ubaldo.[/quote']

 

Yeah, the numbers are cold. This is a guy who has faced the Nationals/Astros/Pirates for half his starts without DHs, and has fared poorly against AL teams, and you're willing to obliterate the farm and get rid of several significant pieces-- three of which we KNOW are already major league capable. Jimeniz is not Halladay. He is not Cliff Lee. He is not Felix Hernanedez. He is not a must-have pitcher. He is a #2/#3 on a real team, and a #4 on this one. You do not completely obliterate your team's future for a #4.

[Dojji]

I still think that ultimately this team will decide to go after a bottom of the rotation guy for insurance, a guy like Bruce Chen perhaps, whose job is to just make sure there's a guy there to eat innings, and that the plan for the postseason is simply to get Buchholz healthy.

 

Will say though, Kyle Weiland's second start has led me to believe he should have a third. We all know that I think that that second inning of Weiland's first start was a fluke exacerbated by Scutaro's terrible arm at short, and he pitched well in a more normalized environment against the same team. Not quite ready to throw away anyone who can put up 3 ER, 6 IP at this point so I hope Weiland sticks around in some capacity when Lester's back.

[MNSoxChief102]

I still think that ultimately this team will decide to go after a bottom of the rotation guy for insurance, a guy like Bruce Chen perhaps, whose job is to just make sure there's a guy there to eat innings, and that the plan for the postseason is simply to get Buchholz healthy.

 

Will say though, Kyle Weiland's second start has led me to believe he should have a third. We all know that I think that that second inning of Weiland's first start was a fluke exacerbated by Scutaro's terrible arm at short, and he pitched well in a more normalized environment against the same team. Not quite ready to throw away anyone who can put up 3 ER, 6 IP at this point so I hope Weiland sticks around in some capacity when Lester's back.

 

I agree. Annihilating the farm for a front end starter just doesn't make sense right now unless were getting King Felix. Sticking with internal options for the time being until we get healthy and then maybe adding a guy at the waiver deadline to pick up some starts is the most likely course of action.

[Dojji]

You know who'd really intrigue me as a possibility to pick up if he's available? Livan Hernandez. Dude is seriously underrated IMHO.

 

Livan has pitched well the last couple years for Washington, not exactly a great environment. He's not a great pitcher, but he's a good veteran for the bottom of a rotation, and he's a complete innings hog. Eats them like they're going out of style. Even when he's struggled with some teams he's still put up the IP. He hasn't pitched less than 180 IP since he debuted. So you know he's healthy, and you know he'll go out there and take the ball for you, and he'll gut through some bad performaces to try and keep the team in the game. Isn't that a pretty fair description of EXACTLY what we need right now?

 

If what you really need isn't a great pitcher, but just innings and a chance to win, Livan could set ypu up nicely and I doubt he'd be that expensive considering he's pretty mugh the definition of a league average pitcher (career 97 ERA+) and hasn't missed significant time with an injury in forever. I could see him being helpful to us as long as you don't demand a rotation of 5 aces or something ludicrous like that..

[SCM33]

You know who'd really intrigue me as a possibility to pick up if he's available? Livan Hernandez. Dude is seriously underrated IMHO.

 

Livan has pitched well the last couple years for Washington, not exactly a great environment. He's not a great pitcher, but he's a good veteran for the bottom of a rotation, and he's a complete innings hog. Eats them like they're going out of style. Even when he's struggled with some teams he's still put up the IP. He hasn't pitched less than 180 IP since he debuted. So you know he's healthy, and you know he'll go out there and take the ball for you, and he'll gut through some bad performaces to try and keep the team in the game. Isn't that a pretty fair description of EXACTLY what we need right now?

 

If what you really need isn't a great pitcher, but just innings and a chance to win, Livan could set ypu up nicely and I doubt he'd be that expensive considering he's pretty mugh the definition of a league average pitcher (career 97 ERA+) and hasn't missed significant time with an injury in forever. I could see him being helpful to us as long as you don't demand a rotation of 5 aces or something ludicrous like that..

 

Livan would get his ass handed to him in the AL much like he did 3 years ago with MINN. There is a reason hes pitched in only 23 games in the AL in 16 years.

 

I do agree however that pitcher should be what we target, not SS or RF.....we are scoring plenty of runs. We need arms.

[a700hitter]

Ryan Dempster would be good at the bottom of the rotation.

[Interestedobserver]

Beltran has a 911 ops in a pitcher's park with good D. I think he is Theo's number one target. Probably cost Ranaudo, a fringie, and split the salary. If the Red Sox go for it, I'm not so sure the Yankees stay out.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Beltran has a 911 ops in a pitcher's park with good D. I think he is Theo's number one target. Probably cost Ranaudo' date=' a fringie, and split the salary.[/b'] If the Red Sox go for it, I'm not so sure the Yankees stay out.

 

You forgot Theo's job. It would cost Theo's job if he traded Ranaudo for 2 months of Beltran plus no comp picks. The idea of this makes me vomit in my mouth.

[Interestedobserver]

If he wins a WS, no one will care. And pitchers with injury histories are tough to hold onto when a title is right there for the taking.

[MNSoxChief102]

You forgot Theo's job. It would cost Theo's job if he traded Ranaudo for 2 months of Beltran plus no comp picks. The idea of this makes me vomit in my mouth.

 

No s***. With Kelly gone to SD for AGod, Renaudo is pretty much our best pitching prospect right now. No way he gets traded for two months of Beltran.

 

I'm thinking Reddick + minor amount of cash gets the deal done.

[Will617]

Beltran has a 911 ops in a pitcher's park with good D. I think he is Theo's number one target. Probably cost Ranaudo' date=' a fringie, and split the salary. If the Red Sox go for it, I'm not so sure the Yankees stay out.[/quote']

 

This is the first time on this board all year where I've seen someone offer too much in a trade (from the Red Sox's perspective).

I think the most likely deal for Beltran is a team giving up a couple of fringey prospects and maybe some of the salary. Pieces that are useful, but not as useful to the Sox as they are to other teams (players like Navarro or Weiland - not those two in particular, just those types of players that don't have much of a future in the Sox organization, but aren't too far from being useful pieces). The fact that no one gets compensation picks for him hurts his value a lot.

[Interestedobserver]

Not so much since I doubt he would have been offered arby. He's the difference maker this year and they're willing to eat salary, which ups the return. Plus, most of the contenders have a hole that Beltran fills. It's usually pitching that is the number one need.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If he wins a WS' date=' no one will care. And pitchers with injury histories are tough to hold onto when a title is right there for the taking.[/quote']

 

I'm sorry. When discussing Beltran, if Alderson tried to get Ranaudo, it would go something like

 

Theo: "Hey Sandy. What do you want for Beltran? I was thinking Reddick + a fringe + $$$"

 

Sandy: "Hmm. That's interesting. How attached are you to Ranau....hello?"

[Palodios]

If he wins a WS' date=' no one will care. And pitchers with injury histories are tough to hold onto when a title is right there for the taking.[/quote']

 

People will care when Ranaudo--the best pitcher in his respective draft-- turns into an ace for the Mets. I don't see any other elite team in the AL who will stop them from getting to the WS as-is, but Beltran is no guarantee against Halladay, Lee and Hamels.

[Interestedobserver]

The guy is doing well, but he'll be 22 in September and he's in A ball. And he's had an injury history. That's not the guy you let stand in the way of another title. With Beltran, the Sox are the odds on favorites. And do you want to face Halladay, Lee, and Hamels, with Beltran in right field for the Sox, or the Phillies?