Best Red Sox Pitcher In Your Lifetime?

[yeszir]

It'll always be Pedro, hands down

The best pitcher on the hill in this town

but I'll have to admit

being weirded out of my wits

By that midget he carried around

 

I hope Ortiz homers quickly for your sake

[a700hitter]

I'm with this.

 

I still have a soft spot for Sonny Siebert.

He was on the same staff with Tiant and Marty Pattin in 1972. He had good stuff until his arm gave out that year.

[WhiskeyBreath]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/1805923/pedro-1999-o.gif

 

That was awesome.

 

Pedro.

[BSN07]

Pedro and it's not even close.

[Flynnatic10]

Never saw Pedro play because I was a baby... Gonna say Lester.

[TeddyBallGame9]

Pedro and Roger but Jim Lonborg for a short time was great and Mel Parnell was one of the all-time best Red Sox pitchers.

[mvp 78]

Unless you were born in 05, the only answer is Pedro.

 

Roger was great in the 80's, but there was 5 years where Pedro had once in a lifetime stuff.

[Lackeyfan38]

Curt Schilling. I'm 23 so you can Argue Pedro or Clemens. I'll take winners however and to me noone was as good as Schill in the big game.

[suns]

Schilling

[Lackeyfan38]

Schilling

 

f*** yeah.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I understand this is a matter of opinion, but Schilling? Really? Yeah he had 2 good post seasons and has that 2004 "clutch" game, but he only played here for a few years and was dominant for 1, maybe 2 of them. In the grand scheme of things Pedro was the all around better pitcher. He was doing things that blew people's minds. Hell, for a time I would of taken him over schilling in any big game.

[La Munson]

I think it's fair to say Pedro Martinez was the best pitcher in anyone's lifetime.

 

Don't believe me? Adjusted ERA tells all.

[Wasatch]

In my lifetime, I cannot recall a more dominant pitcher than Pedro. He had 4 pitches that he could throw at anytime, and with the same arm speed and delivery. Clemens could not do that. Schilling could not do that. You were basically out, before even going up to the plate, he was the dominant.

[Divinity]

Randy > Pedro IMO

 

Randy Johnson, in his prime, was better than Pedro Martinez. Consider this, in Johnson's best span of his career [1994-2002], he pitched 1935 innings with 2620 strikeouts, gathering 156 wins. In Petey's best 9 year span [1996-2004], he went 147-55 with 1841.2 innings and 2210 punchouts.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

He's completely irrelevant, we're talking about Red Sox pitchers.

[snydersminipretzels]

Randy > Pedro IMO

 

Randy Johnson, in his prime, was better than Pedro Martinez. Consider this, in Johnson's best span of his career [1994-2002], he pitched 1935 innings with 2620 strikeouts, gathering 156 wins. In Petey's best 9 year span [1996-2004], he went 147-55 with 1841.2 innings and 2210 punchouts.

 

I think you have to consider more than just strikeouts.

[VA Sox Fan]

Randy > Pedro IMO

 

Randy Johnson, in his prime, was better than Pedro Martinez. Consider this, in Johnson's best span of his career [1994-2002], he pitched 1935 innings with 2620 strikeouts, gathering 156 wins. In Petey's best 9 year span [1996-2004], he went 147-55 with 1841.2 innings and 2210 punchouts.

 

Where is ORS when you need him?

 

You just can't control yourself can you? Take some lessons in class from Y228.

 

:thumbdown

[snydersminipretzels]

If you look at Pedro's adjusted ERA, he has six seasons that place in the top 20. All during that span that Divinity states Johnson was better. Randy Johnson has zero.

[ORS]

Randy > Pedro IMO

 

Randy Johnson, in his prime, was better than Pedro Martinez. Consider this, in Johnson's best span of his career [1994-2002], he pitched 1935 innings with 2620 strikeouts, gathering 156 wins. In Petey's best 9 year span [1996-2004], he went 147-55 with 1841.2 innings and 2210 punchouts.

Not even close. Randy has a career that can be considered as, or even more, valuable than Pedro's because of more years of productivity, but at the apex of their careers Pedro's light shines brighter. From '97 to '03, Pedro put up an ERA+ of 218, Johson never had one season with an ERA+ over 200, his WHIP was 0.940, Johnson beat that in a season once, and his K/BB was over 6.00, again, Johson only beat that in one season once. This is a 7 year window where Johson's best seasons only eclipse two of those stats.

 

RJ just isn't in the conversation when it comes to trancendental greatness.

[ORS]

Where is ORS when you need him?

 

You just can't control yourself can you? Take some lessons in class from Y228.

 

:thumbdown

No worries, I was on. Running numbers when you posted this.

[yankees228]

ORS covered this entirely, but I'll just add my two cents. Pedro's stretch from 1997-2000 (and as ORS mentioned, possibly 1997-2003) was the greatest four year stretch ever.

 

219 ERA+

5.68 SO/BB

0.925 WHIP

 

If you want advanced stats his FIP in those four years was 2.39, 3.40, 1.39, and 2.17. Crazy good.

[ORS]

Yeah, in '99/'00 he was striking out 12 per 9 while striking out over 8 for every walk. I doubt you ever see that again.

[yankees228]

Yeah' date=' in '99/'00 he was striking out 12 per 9 while striking out over 8 for every walk. I doubt you ever see that again.[/quote']

 

Best pitcher I've ever seen. I assume you've seen more baseball than I have ... best you've ever seen in any uniform?

[VA Sox Fan]

No worries' date=' I was on. Running numbers when you posted this.[/quote']

 

My hero! :thumbsup:

[ORS]

Without a doubt. He had it all. Heat, movement, location. Then, on top of that, he could change arm angle without missing a stride. His change-up was insane, and then he could bust it in on you at 97. Nobody I've ever seen comes close to him at the turn of the century.

[yankees228]

Without a doubt. He had it all. Heat' date=' movement, location. Then, on top of that, he could change arm angle without missing a stride. His change-up was insane, and then he could bust it in on you at 97. Nobody I've ever seen comes close to him at the turn of the century.[/quote']

 

Four tremendous pitches that he could go to at any time, in any count. And to do that all with perfect location is amazing. Easily my all-time favorite pitcher.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Four tremendous pitches that he could go to at any time' date=' in any count. And to do that all with perfect location is amazing. Easily my all-time favorite pitcher.[/quote']

 

This is how to be a Yankees fan in a thread about Red Sox pitchers.

[Lackeyfan38]

I understand this is a matter of opinion' date=' but Schilling? Really? Yeah he had 2 good post seasons and has that 2004 "clutch" game, but he only played here for a few years and was dominant for 1, maybe 2 of them. In the grand scheme of things Pedro was the all around better pitcher. He was doing things that blew people's minds. Hell, for a time I would of taken him over schilling in any big game.[/quote']

 

Pedro never really won it without Schilling. Same with Randy Johnson. Curt just owns the big stage. Pedro might have been the most electric but whats that do for you? In fact I find Pedro to be alot like Peyton Manning.

[TedWilliams101]

I also don't think it's a coincidence that Randy Johnson's best years came when he moved to the NL. Pedro bested him for 7 years while in the big-bat AL East.

[redsoxrules]

Pedro never really won it without Schilling. Same with Randy Johnson. Curt just owns the big stage. Pedro might have been the most electric but whats that do for you? In fact I find Pedro to be alot like Peyton Manning.

 

oh please , Schilling would have 0 WS if it wasent that he had another stud at the top of the rotation with him

 

Randy Johnson had the better season in 2001 of the 2 including the better WS performance of the 2

 

cant really give him 04 as his performance wasent above any other red sox starter in the post season

 

and in 2007 Josh Beckett was the key for this team , NOT schilling