RF future

[Dojji]

No way that happens. Selig will take over the Dodgers before then.

 

Considering Selig's track record with the Expos, that actually makes it more likely that big Dodger contracts will be on the block. Trimming the payroll will make the team more valuable to a prospective buyer.

[iortiz]

I just watched an episode called "2 en base" (ESPNDeportes), which the reporters say that Jeff Francoeur could be a strong possibility for Boston and that Jose Reyes shouldn't be discard since Theo already announced that Boston will be aggressive before the trade deadline.

 

If you speak spanish, here is the link.

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/videohub/video/clipDeportes?id=1327456&categoryid=858696&cc=5200

[Dojji]

Francoeur? That's interesting, and a possibility. too freaking inconsistent though. I wouldn't touch him as more than a really good 4th OF and RH bat off the bench.

 

A Reddick-Francoeur platoon in rightfield would be quite interesting.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Francoeur? That's interesting, and a possibility. too freaking inconsistent though. I wouldn't touch him as more than a really good 4th OF and RH bat off the bench.

 

A Reddick-Francoeur platoon in rightfield would be quite interesting.

 

Hopefully Reddick can continue this hot streak to the deadline. He's 5/7 against LHP this year, and he's got a 1.198 OPS. If he can just be a .300 hitter with around an .850 OPS, he and Drew can get us to the ASB.

[Spitball]

Francoeur? That's interesting, and a possibility. too freaking inconsistent though. I wouldn't touch him as more than a really good 4th OF and RH bat off the bench.

 

A Reddick-Francoeur platoon in rightfield would be quite interesting.

 

The mention of Francouer made me cringe until I checked his current stats. I like the idea.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/francje02.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker

 

He has been much better than what has been paraded out there so far.

[a700hitter]

The mention of Francouer made me cringe until I checked his current stats. I like the idea.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/francje02.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker

 

He has been much better than what has been paraded out there so far.

The thought of Francouer makes me cringe.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I think if we've learned anything from Cameron, it's that you can't expect a player to put up numbers consistent with his baseball card while only allowing him to play twice a week. Players like Drew and Cam get into a groove that results from a substantial amount of at bats strung together.

 

What we need is an everyday RF, not a RF who plays vs LHP, especially with our lefty heavy line up translating to opposing managers lining up a lot of LHP against us. Carlos Beltran would be perfect. The Mets are 5.5 back in the WC right now. Hopefully they sweep the Yankees, bomb to the trade deadline, and sell Beltran.

 

The only way they get anything in return for Beltran is if they trade him. If they retain him, he can't even be offered arbitration if they wanted to because of a clause in his contract.

[a700hitter]

I think if we've learned anything from Cameron, it's that you can't expect a player to put up numbers consistent with his baseball card while only allowing him to play twice a week. Players like Drew and Cam get into a groove that results from a substantial amount of at bats strung together.

 

What we need is an everyday RF, not a RF who plays vs LHP, especially with our lefty heavy line up translating to opposing managers lining up a lot of LHP against us. Carlos Beltran would be perfect. The Mets are 5.5 back in the WC right now. Hopefully they sweep the Yankees, bomb to the trade deadline, and sell Beltran.

 

The only way they get anything in return for Beltran is if they trade him. If they retain him, he can't even be offered arbitration if they wanted to because of a clause in his contract.

I am on board with getting Beltran, but Drew's and Cameron's problem was not the lack of consistent playing time. Cameron's problem is that he was old, injured and over the hill. Drew is right on target to play in the same number of games as his career average, so playing time has not been his issue. He is playing himself onto the bench and possibly off the team. He was the everyday RF but he is losing the job by his failure to perform. I hate excuses. When a guy is playing poorly, I wish people would just say it and not make excuses for it.

[Dojji]

You'll never stop fans from making excuses for their favorites. As long as the players themselves don't make them that's good enough IMHO.

[a700hitter]

You'll never stop fans from making excuses for their favorites. As long as the players themselves don't make them that's good enough IMHO.

Yup, it's part of being a fan.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You'll never stop fans from making excuses for their favorites. As long as the players themselves don't make them that's good enough IMHO.

 

I'm not sure if you were talking about me here, but Drew and Cam are far from my favorites. I do think that players like that get hot and cold. I don't think they would produce above average, but league average wouldn't be out of the question.

 

Now, if we were talking about Pedroia, I'd defend him to my death.

[a700hitter]

I'm not sure if you were talking about me here, but Drew and Cam are far from my favorites. I do think that players like that get hot and cold. I don't think they would produce above average, but league average wouldn't be out of the question.

But they didn't and they have no excuses. They didn't do the job. June is historically Drew's best month. I was hoping that he would get hot, but we are still waiting. I don't think Theo will wait much longer. Drew had better get it in high gear real soon.

[Palodios]

But they didn't and they have no excuses. They didn't do the job. June is historically Drew's best month. I was hoping that he would get hot' date=' but we are still waiting. I don't think Theo will wait much longer. Drew had better get it in high gear real soon.[/quote']

 

If there is any truth to Drew fixing his swing-- awesome. If he's not, they're bound to be looking for a replacement. If there was an issue with money before... now that it is looking like there might not be any NBA or NFL this fall, it is in the Red Sox's best interest to take advantage of the increased revenue stream in October.

[SoxFanForsyth]

But they didn't and they have no excuses. They didn't do the job. June is historically Drew's best month. I was hoping that he would get hot' date=' but we are still waiting. I don't think Theo will wait much longer. Drew had better get it in high gear real soon.[/quote']

 

Yeah they did! They were cold. All season.

[SoxFanForsyth]

From ESPNBoston -

 

-- Darnell McDonald and Mike Cameron were a combined 7-for-67 (.104) in June with only one more extra-base hit than John Lackey.

[Spitball]

If what Peter Gammons is reporting is true and the Sox can't take on significant salary, Beltran is not a likely candidate for Boston. If dealt at the trade deadline, he would cost the Sox upwards of $6 million, and his full no-trade clause would surely cost more to buy out.

[a700hitter]

If what Peter Gammons is reporting is true and the Sox can't take on significant salary' date=' Beltran is not a likely candidate for Boston. If dealt at the trade deadline, he would cost the Sox upwards of $6 million, and his full no-trade clause would surely cost more to buy out.[/quote']If he is reporting that they can't take on salary, that is misleading. It might be accurate that they "will not" take on significant salary. If they start to negotiate with the Mets for them to eat salary, the Beltran deal will be a non-starter, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees ate the whole salary to keep him from us. I really don't want to hear whining about luxury tax blah blah blah if the Yankees eat our lunch. They should take the whole salary and throw in a janitor as a prospect. The need in Rf couldn't be any clearer, and Beltran is a premium guy.

[Spitball]

If he is reporting that they can't take on salary' date=' that is misleading. It might be accurate that they "will not" take on significant salary. If they start to negotiate with the Mets for them to eat salary, the Beltran deal will be a non-starter, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees ate the whole salary to keep him from us. I really don't want to hear whining about luxury tax blah blah blah if the Yankees eat our lunch. They should take the whole salary and throw in a janitor as a prospect. The need in Rf couldn't be any clearer, and Beltran is a premium guy.[/quote']

 

I may be dead wrong, but I don't see the Red Sox and Yankees being key players for Beltran. I don't see the Sox taking on the salary, and I don't see them them overpaying with prospects either.

 

I'm not sure how the Yankees will respond, but with the Red Sox not serious players, I doubt they will want to aid their cross-town rival. Trades between the New York teams are rare, and I don't see this one. They don't have the desperation to add Beltran.

 

It is hard to tell which teams will be shopping in 30 days, but I think it is possible the Rangers could have the finances and prospects to get Beltran. I think it is also possible Cincinnati or Atlanta could be a players for Beltran to play left field for either team.

[a700hitter]

I may be dead wrong, but I don't see the Red Sox and Yankees being key players for Beltran. I don't see the Sox taking on the salary, and I don't see them them overpaying with prospects either.

 

I'm not sure how the Yankees will respond, but with the Red Sox not serious players, I doubt they will want to aid their cross-town rival. Trades between the New York teams are rare, and I don't see this one. They don't have the desperation to add Beltran.

 

It is hard to tell which teams will be shopping in 30 days, but I think it is possible the Rangers could have the finances and prospects to get Beltran. I think it is also possible Cincinnati or Atlanta could be a players for Beltran to play left field for either team.

I wouldn't worry about raiding the farm for Beltran. As I have said many times, the Mets owners are looking for $ not talent.

[Spitball]

I wouldn't worry about raiding the farm for Beltran. As I have said many times' date=' the Mets owners are looking for $ not talent.[/quote']

 

I'm not worried about the Mets raiding the farm. I am saying the Red Sox will not be serious players in any negotiations for Beltran. He would be a perfect fit for right field, but they won't pay the price in dollars nor prospects.

 

Really, the Sox don't absolutely need to add a Beltran. They have as strong a line-up as there is in baseball. They just need to upgrade the present status. There are several other options that constitute an upgrade that won't cost Beltran money or a wealth of prospects.

[a700hitter]

I'm not worried about the Mets raiding the farm. I am saying the Red Sox will not be serious players in any negotiations for Beltran. He would be a perfect fit for right field, but they won't pay the price in dollars nor prospects.

 

Really, the Sox don't absolutely need to add a Beltran. They have as strong a line-up as there is in baseball. They just need to upgrade the present status. There are several other options that constitute an upgrade that won't cost Beltran money or a wealth of prospects.

Beltran is hitting very well tight now. None of the other options offer what Beltran will bring to the table.

[Spitball]

Beltran is hitting very well tight now. None of the other options offer what Beltran will bring to the table.

 

I get that. I am making the logical conclusion that the Sox are not desperate enough to overpay for Beltran and what he brings to the table. Why should they? Their line-up is very solid except right field. There are several moves that would be upgrades that won't cost Beltran money/prospects. Actually, I am betting there is a much better chance of seeing Kalish or Reddick in right than seeing any real negotiations for Beltran.

[Palodios]

I get that. I am making the logical conclusion that the Sox are not desperate enough to overpay for Beltran and what he brings to the table. Why should they? Their line-up is very solid except right field. There are several moves that would be upgrades that won't cost Beltran money/prospects. Actually' date=' I am betting there is a much better chance of seeing Kalish or Reddick in right than seeing any real negotiations for Beltran.[/quote']

 

When you have a chance to win a championship, you do what you have to do. A RHH RF bat is a need, not a want.

[redsoxbeatz]

Reddick in RF. Lets get a bullpen first (wheeler and jenks suck it.)

[Spitball]

When you have a chance to win a championship' date=' you do what you have to do. A RHH RF bat is a need, not a want.[/quote']

 

It is a small sample size, but Reddick is hitting now hitting .462 .with an OPS of 1.244. Beltran isn't a need. He would certainly be a nice luxory, but there are lots other options out there that won't cost nearly as much.

[BornToRun]

Reddick in RF. Lets get a bullpen first (wheeler and jenks suck it.)

 

Wheeler has been exactly what we paid for since coming off of the DL. He's not an issue.

[Palodios]

It is a small sample size' date=' but Reddick is hitting now hitting .462 .with an OPS of 1.244. Beltran isn't a need. He would certainly be a nice luxory, but there are lots other options out there that won't cost nearly as much.[/quote']

 

Reddick was hitting .230 in Pawtucket before he was called up. At best, he's a .800 OPS hitter, and that is incredibly optimistic. What this team needs is a right handed outfielder, not another lefthanded one. Cliff Lee, Sabathia, Price, CJ Wilson, and Hamels are all going to be standing in the way, and they need another RHH bat.

[SoxSport]

Reddick was hitting .230 in Pawtucket before he was called up. At best' date=' he's a .800 OPS hitter, and that is incredibly optimistic. What this team needs is a right handed outfielder, not another lefthanded one. Cliff Lee, Sabathia, Price, CJ Wilson, and Hamels are all going to be standing in the way, and they need another RHH bat.[/quote']

 

The need is as plain as day. They are getting bombarded with LHd pitching. And their left handed hitters aren't hitting as well against them.

 

I doubt this team can beat the Phillies in a World Series without another RHd power hitter. Hamels and Lee will be too much for that LHd lineup. And Halladay is too much for ANY lineup.

[Spitball]

Reddick was hitting .230 in Pawtucket before he was called up..

 

Yeah, but he is OPSing .841.

 

 

Cliff Lee' date=' Sabathia, Price, CJ Wilson, and Hamels are all going to be standing in the way, and they need another RHH bat.[/quote']

 

Yep, but they won't need Beltran. He is batting .195 versus lefthanded starters with a .298 OBP and .725 OPS.

[Dojji]

Reddick was hitting .230 in Pawtucket before he was called up. At best' date=' he's a .800 OPS hitter, and that is incredibly optimistic. What this team needs is a right handed outfielder, not another lefthanded one. Cliff Lee, Sabathia, Price, CJ Wilson, and Hamels are all going to be standing in the way, and they need another RHH bat.[/quote']

 

I'd rather have a good hitter than a righthanded hitter Palodios. Reddick deserves a chance to fail before we spend assets on a replacement. At least untiil the deadline.