The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[ORS]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 4th man was a 2010 draftee.

 

So as it stands....

 

Sox get Adrian Gonzalez

Padres get Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, Reymund Fuentes and a PTBNL

Depends on the posting date of the transaction. As was mentioned before, they can't PTBNL a 2010 draftee until after 12/15 (6 months from the draft - which allows for compliance with the one year rule for trading drafted players).

[example1]

All we need now is an OF and some bullpen pieces and we should be a beast.

 

A Met fan friend just text me that AGon should be playing handball on the Monster and that he is better than horseface.

 

If you watch some of his highlights and look at his hig chart, Gonzalez is prepared to be a beast in Fenway. This is a guy who, like Ortiz, can hit the ball out of the park on what appears to just be a high flyball to CF or LF. I think we're in for some fun watching him play.

[example1]

Except that this team hasn't had a true hall of fame caliber player on this team since Manny left. Considering the Red Sox were thinking about starting 2010 with Casey Kotchman at first' date=' this is a pretty big deal.[/quote']

 

This is EXACTLY what this team needed, I agree.

[WhiskeyBreath]

What' everyone think the extension may be in terms of years and $?

 

I'm thinking something like,

 

2011: 11M 2012: 18M 2014: 18M 2013: 18M 2015: 20M 2016: 20M 2017: 20M 2018: Vesting option for 20M, 5M buyout.

 

So 6 years/130M or 7/145M

 

He's getting a Teixeira deal. 7 years and $170+ imo.

[jacksonianmarch]

As it stands, AdGon replaces Beltre's 2010 production. Until the sox nail down a player of VMart's caliber, the lineup is still weaker. If the sox can replace Cameron in the everyday lineup and only have 2 minus offensive positions (SS & C) then they'll be tough

[Will617]

What' everyone think the extension may be in terms of years and $?

 

I'm thinking something like,

 

2011: 11M 2012: 18M 2014: 18M 2013: 18M 2015: 20M 2016: 20M 2017: 20M 2018: Vesting option for 20M, 5M buyout.

 

So 6 years/130M or 7/145M

 

Teixeira got 8/180, so 6/130 is about right. I don't know if they'll go to a 7th year.

Now the Sox don't look too bad for letting V-Mart go. Barring any major injuries, the team is pretty much set at every spot except catcher for the next 3 years (as in, they'll be guaranteed good production from every slot, assuming Kalish replaces Drew adequately).

Edit: Of course, this is assuming the Sox sign Crawford or Werth, which makes too much sense to not do.

[jacksonianmarch]

The second shoe to drop for Boston has to be Jayson Werth

[a700hitter]

C'mon you must have smoke some of my stash' date=' you where saying how you weren't certain you would like if they dropped a Tex size deal in his lap. But ya that was more of just a smart ass answer that i figure you get a laugh out of. The comment about GB was a slap [/quote']Read the thread again. I never said that I didn't like the idea of spending money on him. I questioned why everyone else was so willing to wait on him rather than get other stars. A. I was skeptical that it would happen next year and B. I said that he would cost the same or more as stars that are now available. You took this as me saying that I didn't want to spend $200 million on AGon. I corrected your misconception in a post yesterday. Your memory is shot.

[BSN07]

As it stands' date=' AdGon replaces Beltre's 2010 production. Until the sox nail down a player of VMart's caliber, the lineup is still weaker. If the sox can replace Cameron in the everyday lineup and only have 2 minus offensive positions (SS & C) then they'll be tough[/quote']

 

Having a healthy team replacing all the AAAA players that where playing last year will be moe then enough for the 2nd best run producing team to over come the loss of V-Mart.

[The Village Idiot]

Wow, I think Hoyer's and Theo's great relationship is the main reason this deal ever happened. Hoyer knows the young prospects' talent and trust it; Theo knows that the Sox are in a position where Gonzalez will really help them compete in the AL East in the next three season especially -- and Theo's also confident in the core of pitchers and Gonzalez which makes losing Kelly and Rizzo palatable, at least to a degree. I thought the deal would take more off the farm, and the fact it hasn't has me supporting it. Sorry to ask the obvious question, but this mean Youk moves over to third? That's the only part of this I don't like at all, but you can't have everything...

[bsox0407]

Gonzo Wants a Howard like deal.

[a700hitter]

What' everyone think the extension may be in terms of years and $?

 

I'm thinking something like,

 

2011: 11M 2012: 18M 2014: 18M 2013: 18M 2015: 20M 2016: 20M 2017: 20M 2018: Vesting option for 20M, 5M buyout.

 

So 6 years/130M or 7/145M

I just want him to pass his physical and sign a contract. The #'s are irrelevant to me. Ticket prices are already set.:lol:

[BSN07]

Read the thread again. I never said that I didn't like the idea of spending money on him. I questioned why everyone else was so willing to wait on him rather than get other stars. A. I was skeptical that it would happen next year and B. I said that he would cost the same or more as stars that are now available. You took this as me saying that I didn't want to spend $200 million on AGon. I corrected your misconception in a post yesterday. Your memory is shot.

 

Haha sorry, well I think my point was Agon is worth elite money. Crawford and or Werth is not. That's why I was willing to wait.

[Dojji]

As it stands' date=' AdGon replaces Beltre's 2010 production. Until the sox nail down a player of VMart's caliber, the lineup is still weaker. If the sox can replace Cameron in the everyday lineup and only have 2 minus offensive positions (SS & C) then they'll be tough[/quote']

 

You, sir, are insane. As good as Beltre was, adding Adrian Gonzalez does a lot more than replace his production.You're talking about a player who in Boston is a good bet to be a 40 HR, 120 RBI hitter. Beltre didn't sniff that. And while Beltre is a GG defender, so is Gonzo, and Youk can match Beltre's production at third.

 

Adding a power hitting outfielder would really help us, so would adding a gazelle like Crawford, I don't honestly care which way we go there, but telling me that replacing Beltre with Gonzo is net neutral for this team is nuts, even without Beltre's picks thrown in.

[BSN07]

I just want him to pass his physical and sign a contract. The #'s are irrelevant to me. Ticket prices are already set.:lol:

 

I put it up some I can point to it later and remind Jacko not every team signs Yankee land contracts. He will get 5-6 years maybe 7. He's not getting 8, so it's not going to be 180M+ deal.

[BSN07]

Gonzo Wants a Howard like deal.

 

His whole deal or they type of extension he got?

[jacksonianmarch]

I think you underestimate the loss of a top flight offensive producer from a purely defensive position. Compare Beltre's numbers with AdGon's. Comparing solely 2010, there isn't much difference. Now, this deal is dynamite for Boston, IMO, since it locks in that production rather than having an unpredictable player like Beltre play for a contract. But the loss of Vmart is gonna hurt until the sox replace his bat in the lineup, which is what I expect them to do

[ORS]

As it stands' date=' AdGon replaces Beltre's 2010 production. Until the sox nail down a player of VMart's caliber, the lineup is still weaker. If the sox can replace Cameron in the everyday lineup and only have 2 minus offensive positions (SS & C) then they'll be tough[/quote']

However, assuming no injuries, the "weaker" lineup comment has little basis in reality. Gonzo/Youk for a full year figures to be better than Beltre/Youk (for 4 months). Pedroia returns. Ellsbury and Cameron return. Anything close to 2009 for them is a boon for the Sox OF.

[bsox0407]

His whole deal or they type of extension he got?

 

RT @jonmorosi: Source says Gonzalez wants a "Howard-like contract." #RedSox #Padres #Phillies #MLB

 

That is what I got it from.

[BSN07]

However' date=' assuming no injuries, the "weaker" lineup comment has little basis in reality. Gonzo/Youk for a full year figures to be better than Beltre/Youk (for 4 months). Pedroia returns. Ellsbury and Cameron return. Anything close to 2009 for them is a boon for the Sox OF.[/quote']

 

You can't use that against his argument. He will have nothing left. The offense as it stands right now it better then what the 2nd run producing team in the league(the Red Sox) where last season. If the Sox can manage that kind of production with a mash unit, they will be fine now.

[BSN07]

RT @jonmorosi: Source says Gonzalez wants a "Howard-like contract." #RedSox #Padres #Phillies #MLB

 

That is what I got it from.

 

So 10-15M this season followed by 5 years of 20M annually. Fairly close to what I predicted, maybe even less. But Jacko can't understand anything outside of the Yankees way of negotiating with players. He thinks the only thing your supposed to do if hand them a blank check.

[bsox0407]

So 10-15M this season followed by 5 years of 20M annually. Fairly close to what I predicted' date=' maybe even less. But Jacko can't understand anything outside of the Yankees way of negotiating with players. He thinks the only thing your supposed to do if hand them a blank check.[/quote']

 

I think the Yankees pockets are getting thin. Especially since they didn't Give a Blank Check to Jeter.

 

Btw a 4 year deal. He might Die by the time he hits the two year mark.

[BSN07]

MLB.com's Peter Gammons tweets that the player to be named later is not a "prime guy." They two teams determine who exactly it will be later.

[BSN07]

I think the Yankees pockets are getting thin. Especially since they didn't Give a Blank Check to Jeter.

 

Btw a 4 year deal. He might Die by the time he hits the two year mark.

 

They are actually are deferring money in the two players proposed deals. I was shocked.

[Dojji]

I think you underestimate the loss of a top flight offensive producer from a purely defensive position. Compare Beltre's numbers with AdGon's. Comparing solely 2010' date=' there isn't much difference. Now, this deal is dynamite for Boston, IMO, since it locks in that production rather than having an unpredictable player like Beltre play for a contract. But the loss of Vmart is gonna hurt until the sox replace his bat in the lineup, which is what I expect them to do[/quote']

 

The additional production we stand to get from the corners above and beyond what was provided prior seasons will go a long way towards closing that gap, and a healthy left fielder -- any healthy left fielder -- should seal the deal, since LF was a huge sore spot for the whole team all year. I don't even really think it needs to be Werth or Crawford, we didn't even have an average guy at that position this year.

[Dipre]

I think you underestimate the loss of a top flight offensive producer from a purely defensive position. Compare Beltre's numbers with AdGon's. Comparing solely 2010' date=' there isn't much difference. Now, this deal is dynamite for Boston, IMO, since it locks in that production rather than having an unpredictable player like Beltre play for a contract. But the loss of Vmart is gonna hurt until the sox replace his bat in the lineup, which is what I expect them to do[/quote']

 

Didn't you make the exact opposite of this argument when the Yankees signed Teix a couple years ago as opposed to Giambi's production that year?

 

I mean, i don't disagree entirely with the premise of the post, but there are two main flaws with your logic:

 

1) Kevin Youkilis is a better overall hitter than Beltre.

 

2) Adrian Gonzales is a better overall hitter than Youkilis.

 

So if this does happen, it's an offensive upgrade at not one, but two positions, which directly contradicts, by the way, what you said was the difference between Teix and Giambi (not predicting future production, but on a comparing to last year's production basis) which is why i keep telling to shoot for consistency in your arguments.

 

Also, the point about needing to replace V-Mart's production to upgrade the offense is valid. Werth or Crawford could do that, but my real concern is that the bullpen pieces are starting to fall and i see no indication of the Sox being in on any specific relievers, which are sorely needed.

[BSN07]

Cashman take notes. This is how you deal with a player who has actual leverage. And a guy with 1 year left before he hits a FA pool where he might be the best player is about as much leverage as a guy under contract can get.

[BSN07]

The additional production we stand to get from the corners above and beyond what was provided prior seasons will go a long way towards closing that gap' date=' and a healthy left fielder -- any healthy left fielder -- should seal the deal, since LF was a huge sore spot for the whole team all year. I don't even really think it needs to be Werth or Crawford, we didn't even have an average guy at that position this year.[/quote']

 

It doesn't. They will be fine if they can just get some one league average(not saying they shouldn't go after Werth still, Crawford makes them to LHH heavy, so I think he's out).

[BSN07]

Didn't you make the exact opposite of this argument when the Yankees signed Teix a couple years ago as opposed to Giambi's production that year?

 

I mean, i don't disagree entirely with the premise of the post, but there are two main flaws with your logic:

 

1) Kevin Youkilis is a better overall hitter than Beltre.

 

2) Adrian Gonzales is a better overall hitter than Youkilis.

 

So if this does happen, it's an offensive upgrade at not one, but two positions, which directly contradicts, by the way, what you said was the difference between Teix and Giambi (not predicting future production, but on a comparing to last year's production basis) which is why i keep telling to shoot for consistency in your arguments.

 

Also, the point about needing to replace V-Mart's production to upgrade the offense is valid. Werth or Crawford could do that, but my real concern is that the bullpen pieces are starting to fall and i see no indication of the Sox being in on any specific relievers, which are sorely needed.

 

I think the BP will be filled later with a FA or two. I expect them to do at least one trade for the BP as well. They needed to get this done and out of the way first.

[VA Sox Fan]

Gonzalez gets physical

Posted by Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff December 4, 2010 12:01 PM

 

Adrian Gonzalez has been at Massachusetts General Hospital this morning undergoing a physical and MRIs on his shoulder. It appears the Padre slugger could soon be a Red Sox as Gonzalez' agent, John Boggs, is set to meet with the Red Sox this afternoon in an effort to hammer out a contract extension.

 

The Red Sox would love to get this done before they embark to the Winter Meetings in Lake Buena Vista, Fla. tomorrow.

 

Gonzalez arrived in Boston last night and stayed at a local hotel. He went to Mass General this morning for a physical.

 

The sides have worked out a deal which would would send pitcher Casey Kelly, first baseman Anthony Rizzo and outfielder Raymond Fuentes to the Padres. Not known whether there's a fourth player or whether anyone may come back to Boston besides Gonzalez.