The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[mvp 78]

Esasky played well here, or did his anxiety show up after he left?

 

Edit: maybe I'm thinking of the wrong player? Esasky had vertigo, not anxiety I guess.

[a700hitter]

Esasky played well here' date=' or did his anxiety show up after he left?[/quote']He had vertigo, not anxiety.

[Northern Star]

He had vertigo' date=' not anxiety.[/quote']

 

But he was pretty anxious about it.

[a700hitter]

But he was pretty anxious about it.

Not as anxious as the Braves who signed him to a FA contract.

[Northern Star]

Not as anxious as the Braves who signed him to a FA contract.

 

Braves should get Grienke, then, if his problem is crowds - they can't even sell out playoff games.

 

Not that I could play for Atlanta with that terrible organ crap when they do the Tomahawk.

[Spudboy]

So does assuming the severity of it in regards to his ability to play baseball in Boston.

 

Let the head shrinkers worry about his condition in Boston. As far as talent goes, I want him here.

 

I have nothing bad to say about him. Anyone that has read my posts should know that.

 

My point is that he has a very serious condition. In a vacuum, I'd take him on my team in a heartbeat. I suspect Boston is not the best venue for him. And why would Dice-K approve a trade to KC? Does he crave good barbecue?

[ORS]

I have nothing bad to say about him. Anyone that has read my posts should know that.

 

My point is that he has a very serious condition. In a vacuum, I'd take him on my team in a heartbeat. I suspect Boston is not the best venue for him. And why would Dice-K approve a trade to KC? Does he crave good barbecue?

I didn't direct the comment solely at you, but I did quote you because your point afforded the flip side to the coin. That said, my point remains, many are on board to deny such a move without having all the facts at hand. That's silly.

 

If such a trade is made, I seriously doubt Dice K is headed to KC. They'd be much more interested in cheap, young kids with a future. I think the 8-pitch wonder would still be directed at points west, and an acquisition of a pitcher like Greinke would tell us that it IS going to happen.

[arbitrary]

It doesn't work that way. The fact that he's been able to achieve success in MLB is remarkable. Joking about it shows bad taste and ignorance.

 

It actually wasn't a joke. That's exactly how anxiety and avoidance behaviors work.

[Dojji]

Reardon did well too.

[example1]

I'm wrestling with the idea of Greinke coming to the Sox. On one hand I don't think they have the need at pitcher. Of course it would be great to add a pitcher of Greinke's caliber, but dealing Matsuzaka would be tricky.

 

On the other hand, I think the Sox are about due for a significant trade/signing. I think adding Greinke could be about as impactful as any move they could do. It would hold true to getting younger and better and would add another ace caliber arm in the toughest division in baseball. That's a meaningful, franchise-changing move.

 

I have a reputation around here for caring about which prospects are involved in a deal like this. A deal for Greinke would be no different.

[BSN07]

I have a reputation around here for caring about which prospects are involved in a deal like this. A deal for Greinke would be no different.

 

It's not going to be cheap. But I believe the Sox have a lot of what KC wants. Talent that is 1-3 years away from contributing at the MLB level. That is the time frame they are looking at for much of their own top prospects to be in KC.

 

That considered the deal IMO would be something like this,

 

Kelly has to be part of the package, we might as well get over that now. After that it get's a little tricky. KC's top 20 has a couple 1B at the top. The 3B of the future. A lot of RHP. And a few OF's towards the back end. Their only catching prospect in the top 20 is at #17 and isn't considered to be anywhere close at this point.

 

So we can take out 1B and 3B prospects. With the amount of pitching KC has the Sox might be able to get away with just one more higher upside pitcher in the deal. So I'll concentrate elsewhere for now. I think a C prospect could have a lot of weight in the deal. Now the Sox have talent at C. The problem for us and the Sox was that it wasn't ready to take over now. KC won't have that problem. So really I think you give them their choice of Catching prospect. Moving on. I'm sure they are going to want a top OF talent. This probably means Kalish, Reddick, Fuentes and Lin. If it's Kalish it's probably only him. they might be able to get 2 out of 3 for the other group.

 

Kelly+

(Bowden, Pimentel, Doubront, )+

Kalish(or 2/3 of Reddick, Lavernway, Lin, Fuentes)

Catcher+

(the unknown low level guy that always ends up in a deal like this)

 

I think that is a solid starting point. It has risk and is a steep price yes, but the amount of interest will more then likely drive the price that high.

[Dojji]

Lavarnway could be a big trade piece here. They do have Will Myers, but it never hurts to have two offense-first catchers in case one needs to move to corner infield (or in Myers' case, he's been pegged as a possible right fielder if he can't hack it behind the dish) and both have really very good college power bats.

 

On the other hand of all our major prospects, Lavarnway is one of the ones we're more likely to wind up needing ourselves, as it is going to get harder, not easier, to keep a solid offensive catcher around in this league.

[soxfan74]

Comcast Bottom Line states that the Sox have resumed talks with the Padres about Gonzalez. This is the deal I could see finally happening. Will cost a ton though.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lavarnway could be a big trade piece here. They do have Will Myers, but it never hurts to have two offense-first catchers in case one needs to move to corner infield (or in Myers' case, he's been pegged as a possible right fielder if he can't hack it behind the dish) and both have really very good college power bats.

 

On the other hand of all our major prospects, Lavarnway is one of the ones we're more likely to wind up needing ourselves, as it is going to get harder, not easier, to keep a solid offensive catcher around in this league.

 

I doubt Lavarnway ends up as a catcher in the bigs. He's gonna be a 1b, IMO

[Dojji]

Even if you aren't just being your usual, absurdly biased self and that's true, he's still a polished college power bat who led our org in HR's

[jacksonianmarch]

He's a solid bat. His defense isnt MLB ready right now, he needs to make some strides.

[soxfan74]

Lavernway will probably be a backup Catcher/DH. He is still young and started catching late so I wouldn't rule out growing into a starting Catcher role.

[jacksonianmarch]

I have him as a 1b in the future, but the sox will give him every chance to succeed behind the dish

[YAZMAN]

Lavernway will probably be a backup Catcher/DH. He is still young and started catching late so I wouldn't rule out growing into a starting Catcher role.

 

He ripped nips when he was at Yale.

[YAZMAN]

MJ just had a heart attack.

[a700hitter]

We need to sign Lee. This guy is phenomenal. If the Yanks get him, they'll kick our asses for 3 or 4 more years.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I'd be so f***ing happy if we can land Lee. I doubt it because according to Mr.Jacko 95% the pinstripes get him.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

The best part is he owns the Yanks.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd be so f***ing happy if we can land Lee. I doubt it because according to Mr.Jacko 95% the pinstripes get him.

 

If he leaves Texas, it will be about cash. And after watching his team get shutout by Lee, you think Cash and the Steins will pull back the reigns, especially if the sox are in on Lee?

[Keeper]

The fact that Lee dominates the Yankees and Beckett gets owned by them makes the Beckett signing all the more egregious. Really sticks in my craw.

[NateGrey]

I doubt Lavarnway ends up as a catcher in the bigs. He's gonna be a 1b' date=' IMO[/quote']

 

what are you basing your opinion on? i've read that he's actually getting better every year and that defensively he could be an avg to slightly above avg mlb catcher.

 

 

[NateGrey]

We need to sign Lee. This guy is phenomenal. If the Yanks get him' date=' they'll kick our asses for 3 or 4 more years.[/quote']

 

 

 

this.

 

 

 

[example1]

It's not going to be cheap. But I believe the Sox have a lot of what KC wants. Talent that is 1-3 years away from contributing at the MLB level. That is the time frame they are looking at for much of their own top prospects to be in KC.

 

That considered the deal IMO would be something like this,

 

Kelly has to be part of the package, we might as well get over that now. After that it get's a little tricky. KC's top 20 has a couple 1B at the top. The 3B of the future. A lot of RHP. And a few OF's towards the back end. Their only catching prospect in the top 20 is at #17 and isn't considered to be anywhere close at this point.

 

So we can take out 1B and 3B prospects. With the amount of pitching KC has the Sox might be able to get away with just one more higher upside pitcher in the deal. So I'll concentrate elsewhere for now. I think a C prospect could have a lot of weight in the deal. Now the Sox have talent at C. The problem for us and the Sox was that it wasn't ready to take over now. KC won't have that problem. So really I think you give them their choice of Catching prospect. Moving on. I'm sure they are going to want a top OF talent. This probably means Kalish, Reddick, Fuentes and Lin. If it's Kalish it's probably only him. they might be able to get 2 out of 3 for the other group.

 

Kelly+

(Bowden, Pimentel, Doubront, )+

Kalish(or 2/3 of Reddick, Lavernway, Lin, Fuentes)

Catcher+

(the unknown low level guy that always ends up in a deal like this)

 

I think that is a solid starting point. It has risk and is a steep price yes, but the amount of interest will more then likely drive the price that high.

 

I think you could be right about the price, but that is too much for my liking. You lost me at Kalish.

 

This team can't trade two MLB ready players and perhaps the best pitching prospect in the system who is only a year or two away. I just don't think that their system can handle it right now, to be quite honest. They have some really good talent coming up in the next few years, but most are still a year or two away and the cost to fill those holes with anything effective could be prohibitive.

 

Kalish is this team's RF in 2012 (IMO) and is worth a lot. There aren't tremendous OF options in 2012, the spot will be opening naturally, he's cost controlled, he's remarkably athletic, RF is big and benefits from a good arm... Keep Kalish. He's worth the gamble.

[example1]

We need to sign Lee. This guy is phenomenal. If the Yanks get him' date=' they'll kick our asses for 3 or 4 more years.[/quote']

 

This is a disturbing possibility. I think the Sox should enter the price that they think would be prohibative for the Yankees. NY will probably surpass it, but at least force them to overpay. If they don't overpay then maybe the Sox end up with Cliff Lee. If Texas wants to dance more than the Sox do, let them. As long as the price is really high, he can go elsewhere.

 

If Texas caps its offer at $16m and NY wins at $18 I'm going to be pissed.

[BSN07]

I think you could be right about the price, but that is too much for my liking. You lost me at Kalish.

 

This team can't trade two MLB ready players and perhaps the best pitching prospect in the system who is only a year or two away. I just don't think that their system can handle it right now, to be quite honest. They have some really good talent coming up in the next few years, but most are still a year or two away and the cost to fill those holes with anything effective could be prohibitive.

 

Kalish is this team's RF in 2012 (IMO) and is worth a lot. There aren't tremendous OF options in 2012, the spot will be opening naturally, he's cost controlled, he's remarkably athletic, RF is big and benefits from a good arm... Keep Kalish. He's worth the gamble.

I don't want to trade Kalish either. But I did say they could supplement him with 2 out of th 4 other choices. And Yes the Sox have a lot of talent 1-3 years away. The exact type of talent KC is going to want. They don't want ML ready players from what I have read. They want players to match with their own up and coming farm talent that is also 1-3 years away. I think the Sox have plenty of that.

This is a disturbing possibility. I think the Sox should enter the price that they think would be prohibative for the Yankees. NY will probably surpass it, but at least force them to overpay. If they don't overpay then maybe the Sox end up with Cliff Lee. If Texas wants to dance more than the Sox do, let them. As long as the price is really high, he can go elsewhere.

 

If Texas caps its offer at $16m and NY wins at $18 I'm going to be pissed.

 

Lee is getting 20M per annually. I don't even think it's debatable at this point. I think Texas with it's new ownership is going to really go hard and try to bring Lee back. I think they have a fair shot. But if Lee hits the open market there is no other team out there that will trump what the Yankees will do to over pay to secure him. The Yankees will 100% offer him the most $. Whether he he takes it or not is the only thing I believe to be debatable.

 

 

 

As far as Agon goes. I'm gad talks are reopened, but I still don't see SD trading him until the TDL of next season. I would think SD would try and make another run next season, unless they believe this was a fluke season and they are still a couple years away. Even then i don't expect a deal to be struck early in the offseason if it came to it. SD is probably going to want to keep him around to sell season tickets. Unless they think this years run will bring in enough of a crowd without AG. But looking around I keep seeing a couple of th same names getting mentioned in possible AG deals. Ellsbury and Lowrie seem to be popping up th most. I think Lowrie raised his stock this year and could very well be part of the package. Ellsbury was hurt, but Hoyer would know the type of player he's getting. I think you add Doubront to that and one of the 1B prospects and that's a solid deal that Hoyer is going t have to really think about.

 

From a Sox end it wouldn't hurt too much. They would need a leadoff hitter. Crawford is on the market and a reasonable replacement. But he has said he doesn't want to be the LO guy trying to steal 70 bases a season. But I'm sure the Sox could find someone to lead off.