Yankees 2010-2011 Hotstove Thread

[diony]

He's an upgrade over Golson abd could keep the seat warm for Laird. Lateral move, I like.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It's the end of a three-month wait for the Yankees and a 16-year career for Andy Pettitte. The left-hander is set to announce his retirement tomorrow, according to Michael Kay of 1050 ESPN radio in New York (on Twitter).

 

The Yankees waited all winter for Pettitte and would have welcomed him back for a 14th season in pinstripes. Instead, the 38-year-old will call it a career and the Yankees will turn to the likes of Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, Ivan Nova, Andrew Brackman and Sergio Mitre to fill out their rotation.

 

[EXman369]

Damn u beat me to it, Regardless great news for the sox!!!

[SoxFanForsyth]

Some good news, though. With the additions of Colon, Garcia, and Prior, the Scranton Yankees AAA affiliate has become the hands down favorite to win the International League.

[a700hitter]

Two rookies in the rotation or one rookie and Freddie Garcia. No playoffs for you.

[EXman369]

Have fun getting to the 50 million dollar bullpen when your starters can only go 6 max

[BSN07]

I think they will sign Millwood now. He should be able to eat innings.

 

Now finding someone by the TDL is an absolute necessity.

[jacksonianmarch]

Two rookies in the rotation or one rookie and Freddie Garcia. No playoffs for you.

 

With TB falling off a lot and no other real contender for 90 wins outside of Minnesota and Boston, I think the Yankees will back into the playoffs a la 2004. Lots of offense, a lockdown pen and a top heavy rotation with CC and Hughes. But damn we either need everything to break right or we need a major trade to be relevant come playoff time. Even with Burnett's probable improvement, we cannot have 40% of our rotation completely suck. Here is to hoping we get Millwood and he can carry the load to the tune of 180IP 4.5ERA and we can get Nova into the mix as our #5. Regardless, we are left with no good contingencies if one of CC or Hughes goes down

[Meh]

What'da going do? Ball didn't bounce our way this off season. We still have one of the best teams in the AL and probably third best overall team. I'm still excited about the season and our chances.

[Divinity]

Two rookies in the rotation or one rookie and Freddie Garcia. No playoffs for you.

 

The Trade Deadline isn't until June

[Meh]

The Trade Deadline isn't until June

 

end of July

[Dipre]

With TB falling off a lot and no other real contender for 90 wins outside of Minnesota and Boston' date=' I think the Yankees will back into the playoffs a la 2004. Lots of offense, a lockdown pen and a top heavy rotation with CC and Hughes. But damn we either need everything to break right or we need a major trade to be relevant come playoff time. Even with Burnett's probable improvement, we cannot have 40% of our rotation completely suck. Here is to hoping we get Millwood and he can carry the load to the tune of 180IP 4.5ERA and we can get Nova into the mix as our #5. Regardless, we are left with no good contingencies if one of CC or Hughes goes down[/quote']

 

What makes you so certain the Yankees will make the playoffs?

 

The White Sox, with that lineup and decent pitching in a weak division could challenge 90 wins, ditto for Oakland and Texas, the Yankees have zero starting pitching depth right now (by depth, i mean replacements who could certainly provide league average innings), an injury to either CC or Hughes, and/or continued suck by Burnett could have the Yankees playing golf come October.

 

I see it as a very real possibility.

 

They did everything they could, but no one foresaw both Lee shunning them and Petitte retiring. Just the luck of the draw.

[Meh]

What makes you so certain the Yankees will make the playoffs?

 

The White Sox, with that lineup and decent pitching in a weak division could challenge 90 wins, ditto for Oakland and Texas, the Yankees have zero starting pitching depth right now (by depth, i mean replacements who could certainly provide league average innings), an injury to either CC or Hughes, and/or continued suck by Burnett could have the Yankees playing golf come October.

 

I see it as a very real possibility.

 

They did everything they could, but no one foresaw both Lee shunning them and Petitte retiring. Just the luck of the draw.

 

the Red Sox could too... if Beckett doesn't come back strong and Dic-K gets his usual DL spot.

[SoxFanForsyth]

the Red Sox could too... if Beckett doesn't come back strong and Dic-K gets his usual DL spot.

 

It's pretty ridiculous to compare the Yankees rotation to the Sox. The Sox won 89 games last year with massive DL stints from their top players. If Pedroia, Youk, and Ellsbury were healthy during the season, the Sox make the playoffs last year.

 

Not to mention the fact that it was the Sox bullpen that was the biggest problem, accounting for 23 losses, which is 6 more than NYY and 7 more than TB. The Sox have revamped the bullpen this year so that's no longer an issue.

 

By the way - the Sox 1-5 SP last year (Lester - Buch - Beckett - Lackey - DiceK) combined for a 3.98 ERA. And that was with Beckett throwing like dog s***.

[Dipre]

the Red Sox could too... if Beckett doesn't come back strong and Dic-K gets his usual DL spot.

 

Is this for real?

 

The Sox have have capable replacements that can provide at least league average innings in Wakefield (assuming health) and Doubront, to some extent, not to mention that the Sox have what the Yankees don't have: Three certain starters in Lester, Bucholz and Lackey, who's actually a good bet to perform better. If Beckett doesn't bounce back (and he's more likely to bounce back according to his peripherals and sustained velocity than Burnett, but that doesn't matter because of the lack of magical pinstripes), the Sox can withstand it given their depth. Similar years from the top three and 320 IP from Beckett/Dice-K (and they'll probably surpass that comfortably) and with some semblance of health, the Sox are easy favorites for the AL East.

 

Rationalize all you guys want, the Red Sox are very much superior to the Yankees because of the disparity in pitching. I don't get why it's so difficult to acknowledge that.

[yankees228]

Is this for real?

 

The Sox have have capable replacements that can provide at least league average innings in Wakefield (assuming health) and Doubront, to some extent, not to mention that the Sox have what the Yankees don't have: Three certain starters in Lester, Bucholz and Lackey, who's actually a good bet to perform better. If Beckett doesn't bounce back (and he's more likely to bounce back according to his peripherals and sustained velocity than Burnett, but that doesn't matter because of the lack of magical pinstripes), the Sox can withstand it given their depth. Similar years from the top three and 320 IP from Beckett/Dice-K (and they'll probably surpass that comfortably) and with some semblance of health, the Sox are easy favorites for the AL East.

 

Rationalize all you guys want, the Red Sox are very much superior to the Yankees because of the disparity in pitching. I don't get why it's so difficult to acknowledge that.

 

I agree with most of this, except for the part about capable replacements. Why does Tim Wakefield fall into that category but Freddy Garcia or Sergio Mitre don't?

[example1]

I agree with most of this' date=' except for the part about capable replacements. Why does Tim Wakefield fall into that category but Freddy Garcia or Sergio Mitre don't?[/quote']

 

I thought Garcia and Mitre were going to be starters, not replacements... :dunno:

[yankees228]

I thought Garcia and Mitre were going to be starters' date=' not replacements... :dunno:[/quote']

 

Well, barring injury, only one of them will make the starting rotation (Sabathia, Hughes, Burnett, and Nova).

[Dipre]

I agree with most of this' date=' except for the part about capable replacements. Why does Tim Wakefield fall into that category but Freddy Garcia or Sergio Mitre don't?[/quote']

 

 

Because one will be in the rotation (most likely Garcia). I think Mitre is strictly reliever material at this point.

[yankees228]

Because one will be in the rotation (most likely Garcia). I think Mitre is strictly reliever material at this point.

 

Well, I understand that one of them will be in the rotation, which is why I said 'or' instead of 'and'. Even if it's Garcia that makes the rotation, which is far from a guarantee, I don't think we can discount the possibility that Mitre can provide Wakefield-like production as a replacement starting pitcher.

[bsox0407]

Robinson Cano Hired Scott Boras as his new agent.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/02/robinson-cano-hires-scott-boras.html

[BSN07]

Robinson Cano Hired Scott Boras as his new agent.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/02/robinson-cano-hires-scott-boras.html

 

LOL

[Meh]

LOL

 

he was going to get paid a boatload either way. Still three more years until he hits f/a I'll enjoy him while I can.

[yankees228]

Well we knew Robbie was unlikely to sign another extension buying out more of his FA years, so this is pretty inconsequential in my opinion.

[BSN07]

He was going to get paid regardless. But by signing with Boras he is likely to get more $ then he was going to before IMO. That's why I laughed at it. He was probably in line for 15-20M annually for 5-7 years. Now it's 7 years minimum at 20M+ AAV with Boras in the mix. Now all we need is a story CC fired his agent and signed on with Boras

 

If Pedroia signed Boras, I would think the same thing. Just wouldn't be laughing about it then.

[Keeper]

Phil Rogers - who I believe is a closet Yankee fan - thinks the White Sox should trade Floyd, Danks, or Jackson to the Yankees because they have Peavy (an unknown quantity at this point) and Sale (who he thinks can log 175 innings in his first full pro season).

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/sc-spt-0206-notes-rogers-baseball--20110205,0,6563579.column

[yankees228]

I wonder if the Yankees could acquire Danks or Floyd without giving up Montero or Banuelos.

[Dipre]

Well' date=' I understand that one of them will be in the rotation, which is why I said 'or' instead of 'and'. Even if it's Garcia that makes the rotation, which is far from a guarantee, I don't think we can discount the possibility that Mitre can provide Wakefield-like production as a replacement starting pitcher.[/quote']

 

Let me put it this way: Which would you rather have? Garcia/Mitre or Wakefield and Doubront.

 

I wonder if the Yankees could acquire Danks or Floyd without giving up Montero or Banuelos.

 

And why would the White Sox trade either Danks or Floyd for prospects when they're a legit contender?

[Meh]

And why would the White Sox trade either Danks or Floyd for prospects when they're a legit contender?

 

Cause it's Kenny Williams...

 

Floyd yes. Danks no. I wouldn't want Flyod, I'd rather have Jackson over him myself.

[yankees228]

To the first part, I'd rather have the Red Sox duo, but that wasn't the point I was countering.

 

To the second part, I don't think they would, but I was simply responding to the article that Keeper posted which suggested they should.

 

EDIT: @ Dipre